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Reply #50 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 6:07pm
 
The key words here are "Banning" and "Former"

The litmus test will be what occurs to those who violate this after they have by contract agreed to abide by it.

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Reply #51 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 6:11pm
 
Just how are we supposed to increase foreign aid? I guess we can shuffle it around a bit but PLEASE......

You know, Obama yaks almost as much as Clintion. He's gotta do some serious editing or he'll wind up in therapy.

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Reply #52 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 6:16pm
 
Charlie wrote on Jan 24th, 2009 at 6:11pm:
He's gotta do some serious editing or he'll wind up in therapy.

More like we will end up there....  Wink
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Reply #54 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 6:37pm
 
M.R. wrote on Jan 24th, 2009 at 5:43pm:
I doubt if this is real, but it makes a point. I don't trust either side when it comes to the whole truth.


Of course it isn't, which would seem to only impair any point about truth and trust.
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what about... "Starting today and as of now"... I guess if the guy wants the job badly enough he simply will not lobby... from the time the rules go into effect as per his agreement.


I don't know what's so difficult about that to understand? As I said earlier... the litmus test will be in seeing what happens to those who violate the rules... I'm also curious to know what type of oversight will be used to guarantee that the rules are followed.

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Reply #56 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 7:18pm
 
Artonio wrote on Jan 24th, 2009 at 6:50pm:
the litmus test will be in seeing what happens to those who violate the rules...


He already violated his own rules.....what else do you need to know? Grin
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Artonio wrote on Jan 24th, 2009 at 6:50pm:
the litmus test will be in seeing what happens to those who violate the rules...


He already violated his own rules.....what else do you need to know? Grin


How did he violate his own rule? If the guy was appointed then the pres signed an executive order stating FROM NOW ON... no-one can lobby?

Unless you've been trailing this guy since the president signed the order and saw him LOBBY then WTF? That would be like arresting you for committing a crime 5 years ago if there was no law in place that made your action from 5 years ago a crime.  Wink

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Reply #58 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 8:15am
 
Political discussions will always always always have disagreements.

Barrack Obama is now the president.  He is now my husbands commander in chief.

He has done what every other president I've ever watched, do.  He's made promises on the campaign trail based on limited information.  Now he has access to all the information and realizes "Uh oh, wait a minute, I guess I can't quite make that happen the way I said I wanted to".  

For good or ill, he is at the helm.  Let's let him do his job and evaluate him after he's had 100 days.  Providing of course Biden doesn't have some global catastrophe occur that will allow all the talk of change go out the window.

Real change takes time, promises on campaign trails are words in the wind, reality is sitting in the oval office seeing the whole picture.  Lets see how he paints the portrait now he has all the pieces and 'paint'.

And I still think a 6 week campaign time frame would make life much less stressful (and much more boring for the media) than this whole 2 years of bitter back stabbing and talking out the wazoo.

And what every American and resident should be doing is watching like a hawk and demanding ACCOUNTABILITY.  Doesn't matter who is in what position, transparency can only come from public accountability IMO.

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Reply #59 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 9:15am
 
catlind wrote on Jan 25th, 2009 at 8:15am:
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And what every American and resident should be doing is watching like a hawk and demanding ACCOUNTABILITY.  Doesn't matter who is in what position, transparency can only come from public accountability IMO.
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This is so very true but has been almost completely ignored for so long.

When the media decides to shape policy instead of reporting it, most Americans never hear the real facts. And no, I'm not just referring to their love affair with Obama. There have been others in the past and there will be more in the future.

The level of corruption of basic principles is astounding.
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Reply #60 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 7:03pm
 
FDR, Kennedy, and certainly Reagan were great communicators. They all had it....never mind the politics. It's rare and instills a bit of confidence in a lot of people. Obama is another and knows it. Even though he's quite a yakker, be glad that someone like him is doing all that yakking.

We've had some terrible communicators. Ike...while a great cold war president, was an awful speaker. He looked and was uncomfortable. Nixon........Egad! Ford a nice guy, not a speaker. Carter..bleaugh. Bush I...not gonna do it......Clinton, kinda boring and never shut up. Bush II.......A man that should never step before a microphone.

For most of us, Obama is fun to hear and you don't have to cringe when he opens his mouth. At least unlike Bush, who never sought other opinions, Obama has set up a kind of "braintrust." It's term going back 75 years. No matter what you think of it, at least it's different and anything different is good.

Like Gerald Ford said in 1974 after Nixon resigned: "Our long national nightmare has ended.'

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Reply #61 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 7:49pm
 
Charlie wrote on Jan 25th, 2009 at 7:03pm:
For most of us, Obama is fun to hear


Wait.....wait till it's not fun anymore......LMAO!!! Grin
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Reply #62 - Jan 26th, 2009 at 11:27am
 
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Former Raytheon lobbyist William Lynn’s nomination to be deputy secretary of defense got a qualified show of support Sunday from Arizona Sen. John McCain — who said he is now leaning toward moving forward with Lynn’s appointment.

Lynn’s nomination prompted protests from government watchdog groups after President Barack Obama had to waive his tough new rules for lobbyists serving in government in order to clear the way for Lynn to serve at the Pentagon.

“I don’t like it,” McCain, the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Service Committee, said on “Fox News Sunday.” I think it’s a bit disingenuous to announce strict rules and then nominate someone with a waiver from the rules that you just announced, in one of the most important jobs in Washington, the No. 2 person at the Defense Department.”

“I’ve asked to see which areas that Mr. Lynn will be recused from,” McCain said, “but I think we need to probably move forward with his nomination.”

Lynn’s appointment ran afoul of Obama’s ethics pledge to bar lobbyists entering government from working on issues related to their former employers.


Jonny's correct.  He was a lobbyist for Raytheon so should not be able to be a pick for 2nd in command of the Denfense Department until he has not been a lobbyist for 2 years according to Obamma's rules.
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Reply #63 - Jan 26th, 2009 at 12:11pm
 
Obama on lobbyists [as I posted in the past...Nov. 12, 2008].

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During his campaign, Obama declared: "I have done more to take on lobbyists than any other candidate in this race. I don't take a dime of their money, and when I am president, they won't find a job in my White House."

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Reply #64 - Jan 26th, 2009 at 1:31pm
 
Some pros and cons




According to the executive order, Lynn shouldn't have accepted the appointment though, of course, the order was only signed yesterday and Lynn presumably accepted the president's offer weeks ago. So he was arguably grandfathered in.

But because Raytheon is pervasive in defense contracting, it will difficult, to say the least, for Lynn to avoid involvement for two years in Pentagon matters that touch Raytheon.

[The company is the maker of "Bunker Buster" bombs, Tomahawk and Patriot missiles.  Raytheon also makes the "bunker buster" GBU- 28, a 5,000-pound bomb and missiles like the TOW, Maverick and Javelin, used in Operation Enduring Freedom.  In addition to missiles, Raytheon also builds sensors and radars used on unmanned and manned reconnaissance airplanes used extensively in Afghanistan.]


According to the company's disclosure forms, Lynn was part of a team that lobbied on a wide range of defense issues, including acquisitions policy, force protection, space and intelligence, command and control, simulation and training, missile defense, sensors and radars, and munitions and artillery. The breadth of the work reflects the reach of Raytheon throughout the Defense Department.

If Lynn had to recuse himself from all these areas, I'm not sure what's left for him to manage. Maybe the Pentagon daycare facilities but that seems about it.

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Before his stint with Raytheon, Lynn was the Pentagon's comptroller and chief budget officer. He also previously worked as director of DOD's program analysis and evaluation.

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Already, there have been two prominent exceptions made to Obama's no-lobbyists rule. William J. Lynn III, his choice to become the No. 2 official at the Defense Department, was registered until July as a lobbyist for defense contractor Raytheon. And William Corr, tapped as deputy secretary at the Department of Health and Human Services, lobbied that same agency through most of last year as an anti-tobacco advocate, according to public records.

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As a lobbyist, Lynn worked on Pentagon budget matters including contracting policy, the military's use of space, missile defense, munitions and artillery, sensors and radars and advanced technology programs. Raytheon is one of the military's top contractors, doing $18.3 billion in U.S. government business in 2007.

Likewise, Corr lobbied for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids on his new department's budget and a range of tobacco matters, including smoking prevention, curbing cigarette trafficking and making federal buildings smoke-free.

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Reply #65 - Jan 26th, 2009 at 1:46pm
 
Kevin_M wrote on Jan 26th, 2009 at 1:31pm:
Some pros and cons

According to the executive order, Lynn shouldn't have accepted the appointment though, of course, the order was only signed yesterday and Lynn presumably accepted the president's offer weeks ago. So he was arguably grandfathered in............................
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I suppose it depends upon whether a person wants to accept loop holes based on timing, or the spirit and intent of the order.

I think that the idea behind the order is pretty clear. It would appear that this situation is exactly what the order was designed to stop. But it's OK this time?

Somehow this just doesn't seem like real change.....
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Reply #66 - Jan 26th, 2009 at 2:01pm
 
I agree Marc, it's a very weak argument.  


At the end of the first link I posted is this commentary though.


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This is what makes purity on Washington lobbying so hard to maintain. Some of the people most knowledgeable about how the nation's capital works are lobbyists. That's what makes them effective.

Cracking down on lobbyists sounds great in theory. Lord knows, the public loves the concept since citizens are fed up with Washington operators who enrich themselves at the public trough, especially when it leads to extreme forms of the practice i.e. corruption.

That notwithstanding, lobbyists know intimately how the federal agencies and Congress function. Ban them for a number of years and it's going to prove difficult to fill some of the most important jobs in the bureaucracy. Americans may not want to hear that, but it's the truth.


That's why I posted his credentials at the Pentagon, also.  


It's not my decision to make.  The spirit and intent of the order is clear and I'd like to see it happen.

The pros don't seem to outweigh the cons, and now there are already two exceptions, although the two may be good at their jobs.

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Reply #67 - Jan 26th, 2009 at 2:35pm
 
Can't disagree with those comments, Kevin. It's a rock and hard spot, but the campaign was almost completely based on changing the way things are done in Washington.

Putting any partisanship aside, I’m afraid that I’m simply seeing a reassembly of the “good old boy” network.  Now our leadership has to decide how they want to play it: The same old way or not. 

This would be good time to prove it.
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Good Luck and God Bless

My Obama, My Messiah, My President, My Savior

How presumptious and arrogant can you people be?  Give the man a chance!  He has united us.  He has conquered the racial divide.  He has saved us all from financial ruin.  He is going to make all things right and good, and he's even promised the cure the planet of its fever!  Yes, these are all hard things for a mere human, but this is Obama, so stop acting like he's not God, and get with the program.

Oh Obama, I feel so much better now.

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In perhaps the most absurd move yet by the current Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi is defending her move to include hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer money in the stimulus plan to expand family planning services — arguing that it will help financially strapped states.

Yes folks, her brain has now officially gone numb.

“…this is a, to stimulate the economy, is an economic recovery package and as we put it forth we have to deal with the consequences of the downturn in our economy. Food stamps, unemployment insurance, some of the initiatives you just mentioned. Believe it or not, they’re the right thing to do but they also stimulate the economy,” Pelosi told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week,” who unsurprisingly didn’t press her on how exactly she deduces this notion.

In Pelosi’s world, less mouths to feed equals less money states will have to spend. Show me one economist that says that we are in an economic crisis because of a birth control shortage, or one that says more contraception (aka: population control) will get us out of it faster. What’s next?


Don't forget his Moses.

Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, geez I'm proud to live in Callifornya!
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Reply #70 - Jan 26th, 2009 at 3:17pm
 
Marc wrote on Jan 26th, 2009 at 1:46pm:
Somehow this just doesn't seem like real change.....


I'd think real change, if possible to meet expectations, would involve being an example in making the tough decisions.  

I'd have to say his past seems qualifying.

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the Pentagon's comptroller and chief budget officer. He also previously worked as director of DOD's program analysis and evaluation.





Marc wrote on Jan 26th, 2009 at 2:35pm:
It's a rock and hard spot,

Now our leadership has to decide how they want to play it: The same old way or not.


Wink 


But in the day's end...

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Bob P wrote on Jan 26th, 2009 at 2:54pm:
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"...we have to deal with the consequences of the downturn in our economy.  ...but they also stimulate the economy." ...Pelosi told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week,” who unsurprisingly didn’t press her on how exactly she deduces this notion.

In Pelosi’s world, less mouths to feed equals less money states will have to spend.



Our state gov has a program, and "deduces this notion" thisaway:


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Granholm said if Michigan can reduce the number of unintended pregnancies by only 10 percent, it would save the state more than $27 million in Medicaid expenditures annually. Plan First!  is a program to expand family planning to 200,000 low income women.

Granholm first announced plans for Plan First! when she unveiled her Blueprint for Preventing Unintended Pregnancies in July 2005 that also includes two other initiatives:  "Talk Early, Talk Often," a pilot program that has already taught hundreds of middle school parents to talk to their children about sexuality and abstinence; and contraceptive equity for men and women.

Through Plan First!, the Michigan Department of Community Health (MDCH) will now provide family planning services to women - ages 19 to 44 - who otherwise would not have medical coverage for these services.

Janet Olszewski, MDCH Director, said 200,000 women at or below 185 percent of poverty who reside in Michigan and meet Medicaid eligibility are estimated to benefit from the extension of family planning services.

"It is estimated that each public dollar spent to provide family planning services saves $3 that would otherwise be spent in Medicaid costs for pregnancy-related care and medical care for newborns, according to national Medicaid research," Olszewski said.  "These services provide cost-savings solutions for our Medicaid program, as well as prevent unintended pregnancies."

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Assessed effectiveness would seem controversial.





On another note, Genesse County houses Flint, a city always listed as "most dangerous" somewhere just under Detroit.  As feared, with rising unemployment -- domestic abuse.

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And though state police haven't compiled any current statistics, Genesee county police chiefs have reported double digit increases in the number of domestic abuse cases over the last two years.

The reasons for the increase are unclear, but the poor economy and an increase in substance abuse are at the top of the list.

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Where Pelosi said, "...we have to deal with the consequences of the downturn in our economy," care is not a solution, just needed.
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