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Deborah C
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Jan 28th, 2009 at 5:24pm
 
I am so lost on this site. Somebody please help me Cry
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Reply #1 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 5:27pm
 
Hi Deborah....

What can we help you with.

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Reply #2 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 5:57pm
 
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I am so lost on this site. Somebody please help me Cry

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Reply #3 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 9:19pm
 
I am so lost on this site. Somebody please help me

You are HERE.

Where would you like to go?

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Reply #4 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:11pm
 
PM'd her with phone numbers, she sounds a whisker scared... Undecided

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Reply #5 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:39am
 
You were on at 0646 and ya had nothing to say, what's up with that.  We can't read minds.

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Reply #6 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:45pm
 
MADE CONTACT!!! Got ahold of her via e-mail and directed her back to the board. Newly diagnosed, scared and confused. Hoping she finds her way back here fast, she has almost nothing to fight with and is about to come off a pred taper.

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Reply #7 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 1:24pm
 
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANSWERING MY MESSAGE. I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH "CLUSTERS" , FINALLY, IN AUGUST 08. BEFORE THEN I KEPT BEING TREATED FOR CHRONIC SINUSITUS.
WHEN THEY FINALLY DID A CAT SCAN, THEN A BRAIN SCAN ( TO RULE OUT A TUMOR) THEY (DUH) REALIZED MY SINUSES WERE OK. IN THE HOSPITAL THEY GAVE ME MORPHINE INTRAVENIOUSLY, WHICH DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, AND RELEASED ME. I HAVE HAD A CLUSTER FOR MONTHS, MONTHS NOT WEEKS.

I JUST GOT OFF MY SECOND ROUND OF STEROIDS, WHICH SEEM TO CALM THE BEAST FOR ABOUT A WEEK, THEN IT'S BACK TO HELL. I CAN ALMOST FEEL IT CREEPING BACK RIGHT NOW.

IM ON IMITREX (PILLS), RELPAX (WHICH TO ME MAKES IT WORSE), VERAPAMIL, TRAMADOL AND FINALLY VICODIN 5MG. THE VICODIN KEEPS ME FROM KILLING SOMEONE LOL, THATS  ABOUT IT.

NO ONE SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND MY PAIN AND I CAN'T FIND A DOCTOR WHO UNDERSTANDS EITHER. I LIVE IN N.Y. IN ROCKLAND COUNTY. IS THERE ANYONE IN YOUR NETWORK WHO CAN POINT ME TO A DOCTOR IN MY AREA?? JUST TELLING YOU, ACTUALLY MADE ME FEEL BETTER. IF YOU CAN HELP IN ANYWAY, EVEN IN DIRECTING ME ON THE SITE I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.


THANKS AGAIN,

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Reply #8 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 1:54pm
 
O.K., you just said the most important thing--I need a good doc. So many docs, even neurologists, do not know how to treat Cluster.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register  On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box.  Call 1-800-643-5552; they will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

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Start your learning with some organized material. Suggest the second book:

MANAGEMENT OF HEADACHE AND HEADACHE MEDICATIONS, 2nd ed. Lawrence D. Robbins, M.D.; pub. by Springer. $50 at Amazon.Com.  It covers all types of headache and is primarily focused on medications. While the two chapters on CH total 42-pages, the actual relevant material is longer because of multiple references to material in chapters on migraine, reflecting the overlap in drugs used to treat. I'd suggest reading the chapters on migraine for three reasons: he makes references to CH & medications which are not in the index; there are "clinical pearls" about how to approach the treatment of headache; and, you gain better perspective on the nature of headache, in general, and the complexities of treatment (which need to be considered when we create expectations about what is possible). Finally, women will appreciate & benefit from his running information on hormones/menstrual cycles as they affect headache. Chapter on headache following head trauma, also. Obviously, I'm impressed with Robbins' work (even if the book needs the touch of a good editor!) (Somewhat longer review/content statement at 3/22/00, "Good book....")

HEADACHE HELP, Revised edition, 2000; Lawrence Robbins, M.D., Houghton Mifflin, $15. Written for a nonprofessional audience, it contains almost all the material in the preceding volume but it's much easier reading. Highly recommended.
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Good starting point. Go to the link on the second line and print out the article.

 
Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Reply #9 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 2:07pm
 
  Oxygen works for the majority.

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Reply #10 - Jan 29th, 2009 at 3:38pm
 
Hi Debbie-


Was the steroids a burst/tapper?  You should have a burst (high dose with tapering off) at the same time you start the steroids you start the verapamil.  As you taper off the steroids the verapamil has a chance to build in your system.  Verapamil takes 10-14 days to begin acting.

Imitrex oral is not the best choice.  Injectable is the best.  The oral is to slow acting to be of much good. 

O2 is a very good abortave for many and it is cheap.  Your doctor can write a script for it or you can use O2 from a welding supply house. 

Read-read-read this website.

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Reply #11 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 3:15am
 
Hi Debbie

  Another oxygen pusher here.  I can't use Imitrex in any form (artery blockage and high cholesterol), so 02 is my only abortive . . . can usually kill him in minutes if used early-on in the attack.  Read the "oxygen info" link on the left and also the 02 info at the top of the "Treatments,Medications" board.  02 requires a script from your doc, so you will need to copy the (recognized) info and take to your doc to help in acquiring same.

  For now . . . strong coffee or Red Bull (or similar energy drinks containing caffeine and taurine) help many if chugged at the first sign of attack. Both are vaso-constrictors which is what you need.  Many will exercise or jog in the cold air.  I used to like heat packs or hot showers, but now use icepacks on the affected side (eye,face,neck) if the 02 doesn't abort the hit quickly.

  Has your doc (or anyone) explained why and where it hurts?  For some reason (hypothalmus believed to be the culprit), the blood vessels on the affected side dilate (I'm right-side) and put pressure on the nerve (tri-geminal nerve) that runs beside the vessels.  That nerve runs to your eye, sinuses, teeth . . . and why abortives that work are all vaso-constrictors.

  You're not alone with this beast . . . we truly understand. 

  Keep reading, keep asking.

     Be Safe,   PFDANs


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