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Tom Daschle...
Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 2:15pm

...withdraws his name as nominee for Sec. of HHS due to tax non-payment problems. Earlier, Nancy Killefer withdrew her name to become the first chief performance officer for the federal government due to tax non-payment problems.

But last week, the US Senate - by a vote of 60-34 - confirmed Timothy Geithner as Secretary of the Treasury, despite his "elephant in the room" tax non-payment problems.

The IRS falls under the jurisdiction of the Dept. of the Treasury. Now we all have a tax dodger telling us we have to pay our taxes. Has the entire world gone mad?

Grouped By Vote Position

YEA's ---60

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Burris (D-IL)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Ensign (R-NV)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagan (D-NC)
Hatch (R-UT)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)

NAY's ---34

Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Grassley (R-IA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sanders (I-VT)
Sessions (R-AL)
Specter (R-PA)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)

Not Voting - 4

Bond (R-MO)
Brown (D-OH)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Wyden (D-OR)

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Melissa CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't give up! Posts: 7238 Central WI, USA Gender:	Re: Tom Daschle... Reply #1 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 2:18pm Brew, even though I don't agree with all of his policies, I cannot tell you how proud I was of Russ Feingold being one of 3 to vote Nay on Geithner's appointment.
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fubar Ex Member	Re: Tom Daschle... Reply #2 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 2:21pm Hope and Change, baby. Hope and Change.
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Reply #3 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 2:30pm

Melissa wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 2:18pm:

Brew, even though I don't agree with all of his policies, I cannot tell you how proud I was of Russ Feingold being one of 3 to vote Nay on Geithner's appointment.

Every once in awhile Russ surprises me.

What I cannot believe is the 60 Yay votes Geithner got. Every one of these people (Kohl included) should be asked what justified a vote in favor of a tax evader to oversee the IRS. Every single one of them.

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Tom Daschle... Reply #4 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 2:31pm Quote: Hope and Change, baby. Hope and Change. That's gonna be my tagline until there's either no more hope or we're all outta change.
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DennisM1045 CH.com Alumnus Offline One wave at a time! Posts: 3437 Haverhill, Massachusetts, USA Gender:	Re: Tom Daschle... Reply #5 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 3:03pm Well at least only half of my Congresional delegation voted Yea. Of course the only reason it was both of them is because Kennedy wasn't there to vote. -Dennis- (From the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts)
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Mosaicwench CH.com Sponsor Offline www.mosaicwench.com Posts: 3507 Near Milwaukee WI, USA Gender:	Re: Tom Daschle... Reply #6 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 3:13pm Hey Brew - you stepping in on these issues while the Mule is . . . indisposed? Nice of you to pick up this oar!
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Re: Tom Daschle...
Reply #7 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 3:25pm

I may be mistaken in my view on this, but can't you make every one of those elected representatives answer that very question? Or at the very least have every body writing to ask them?

I'm not allowed to participate in the process until they stop moving back our date for naturalization, but I was under the impression that every citizen could write their representatives and ask for the reason on any vote they made...

It's one thing to see that go through, it's another if the people sit back and don't do whatever they actively can to make a statement in regards to their representatives votes with letters and demands for accountability.

Please correct me if I'm mistaken in my understanding of this.

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Reply #8 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 3:43pm

catlind wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 3:25pm:

I may be mistaken in my view on this, but can't you make every one of those elected representatives answer that very question? Or at the very least have every body writing to ask them?

I'm not allowed to participate in the process until they stop moving back our date for naturalization, but I was under the impression that every citizen could write their representatives and ask for the reason on any vote they made...

It's one thing to see that go through, it's another if the people sit back and don't do whatever they actively can to make a statement in regards to their representatives votes with letters and demands for accountability.

Please correct me if I'm mistaken in my understanding of this.

Cat

The obvious answer is yes, of course citizens can demand answers to this and other questions of their representatives.

It would be nice if we had some honest-to-God journalists who might ask the questions for us in front of a camera. But real journalism is dead. They are ALL in the tank.

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Chris Morrow CH.com Veteran Offline Messin' with Sasquatch Posts: 100 Asheville, NC Gender:	Re: Tom Daschle... Reply #9 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 3:49pm That is great news! Now, I can "forget" to pay my taxes, and maybe I can get a cabinet position.
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Tom Daschle... Reply #10 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 4:40pm The only justice in this is that Daschle had to pay the $128,000 in unpaid taxes (plus penalties) AND he didn't get the job. No wonder he was in tears while talking to Andrea Mitchell.
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Reply #11 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 5:20pm

Poor guy had to pay his taxes AND didn't get the job. Cry me a friggin' river.

We should start a movement to have every single member of congress and every cabinet member get audited by the IRS *AS STANDARD POLICY*, every year. And there should be no special deals cut for any one of them. If those a-holes want to have the power to pass laws to rule us, they should have to follow those laws.

That would end a lot of this crap.

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Reply #12 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 5:52pm

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Poor guy had to pay his taxes AND didn't get the job. Cry me a friggin' river.

We should start a movement to have every single member of congress and every cabinet member get audited by the IRS *AS STANDARD POLICY*, every year. And there should be no special deals cut for any one of them. If those a-holes want to have the power to pass laws to rule us, they should have to follow those laws.

That would end a lot of this crap.

Agreed. Why should they get by without paying their taxes?

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Reply #13 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 8:19pm

Washington, along with our "servant" politicians, is bankrupt in every way. The forth rail, The Media, has its own agenda and it's as divided as are the American public. The politicians have mutually promoted this division in order to shed the blame on the other Party when conveniently necessary. They have us just where they need us, the divided American citizens.

Did anyone ever to think that if we ever united as one, we may get these turds to act as responsible leaders? I say boo to the divisiveness. Lets join together and run these jackasses out of office.

This fellow, Mr. Daschel, has, (along with other countless ex-politicians) peddled his influence to the highest bidder and we continue to do nothing about it. They get away with it because they can. George Washington would hang these creeps in short order as traitors to the Public good.

We are to blame. We need to act beyond just sitting back and complaining. Get involved in any way. The internet has made it possible way beyond what our Founders ever dreamed of.

Act now. They are about to spend a trillion borrowed dollars.

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Re: Tom Daschle...
Reply #14 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 8:35pm

purpleydog wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 5:52pm:

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Poor guy had to pay his taxes AND didn't get the job. Cry me a friggin' river.

We should start a movement to have every single member of congress and every cabinet member get audited by the IRS *AS STANDARD POLICY*, every year. And there should be no special deals cut for any one of them. If those a-holes want to have the power to pass laws to rule us, they should have to follow those laws.

That would end a lot of this crap.

Agreed. Why should they get by without paying their taxes?

I dunno. Let's ask Charlie Wrangel

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Reply #16 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 9:41pm

Charlie wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 9:24pm:

Daschle is really disappointing as he is incredibly talented for the HHS position.

Except that he's a g** d***** crook. Which kind of negates the talent thing. Same with Geithner, except I don't know that there's anything that can be done about it now - except tell the senators on the "Yay" list that they won't be getting your vote when they're up for reelection.

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Rep. Jim Cooper, a conservative Democrat from Tennessee, told a liberal radio network on Monday that the Obama White House encouraged him to defy House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on the $819 billion economic stimulus bill.

"Well, I probably shouldn't tell you this, but I actually got some quiet encouragement from the Obama folks for what I'm doing," said Cooper, one of only 11 Democrats to vote against the economic stimulus plan that passed the House last week.

"They know it's a messy bill and they wanted a clean bill," he said. "Now, I got in terrible trouble with our leadership because they don't care what's in the bill, they just want it to pass and they want it to be unanimous."

Cooper, whose startling admission came on Liberadio, was one of about 55 House Democrats to sign a letter criticizing Pelosi for suspending debate and committee rules on the fiscal package.

"They don't mind the partisan fighting cause that's what they are used to. In fact, they're really good at it -- and they're a little bit worried about what a post-partisan future might look like," Cooper said during the radio interview. "If members actually had to read the bills and figure out whether they are any good or not. We're just told how to vote. We're treated like mushrooms most of the time."

I bet nobody read that 600+ page bill cover to cover.

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Reply #19 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 9:17pm

Everything is true. So is that when Bush's crowd broke the law it was dangerous to the country (Attorney General incompetents especially) and of course he underfunded all the oversight agencies......SEC and the FDA so to make them impotent.

His crowd and their financial evil doing make this current stuff pale in insignificance.

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Reply #20 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 9:33pm

Uh oh.....we're back to whose party is more evil, the republicans or the democrats!!! Grin

What's really sad is that it's not a question of who is corrupt and criminal....but who is MORE corrupt and criminal.

Joe......(who prefers local criminals, in they're own way, they're much more honest then politicians. When they steal from you, they just flat TELL you that''s what they're doing.)

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Joe......(who prefers local criminals, in they're own way, they're much more honest then politicians. When they steal from you, they just flat TELL you that''s what they're doing.)

Have to agree with that. The town I lived in nearly 40 years ago was run by mostly the mob. Best city services and low taxes you can imagine. Like Mussolini: The trains ran on time.

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