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Reply #25 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 2:11pm
 
Brew wrote on Feb 10th, 2009 at 1:33pm:
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That's the beauty of quoting someone else's op/ed piece. I can agree with it without having written it.

I merely posted it to show how busy he's actually been.


Oh, I thought an inaccurate description wouldn't properly show what he has been doing ... silly me.   Wink
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Reply #26 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 3:21pm
 
Barb posted something akin to "he's only been in office for 3 weeks, give him a chance," or something like that. I merely posted the op-ed piece to show that he's been very busy. And for someone with my views, not for the good. We obviously disagree, so I'll expect that his supporters will take some of the responsibility when it gets worse.
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Reply #27 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 5:02pm
 
In my not-worth-a-plug-nickle opinion...

Obama inherited a truely awful state of our Union.  It was going down fast long before he took office.  The turds in the toilet bowl of our economic crisis were and still are swirling the bowl.  The big flush hasn't finished yet from the old administration. 

Of course things are going to get worse before they get better.  That was foretold by leading economists 6 months ago at least if not much longer.

I'm no fan of alot of things that have been going on for many many years now.  I didn't vote for Obama either.  But I feel it's premature to blame his administration for things getting worse in the short term here.  He didn't cause it.  And no matter if he had 100% approval rate for what his plans are, they take time to impliment.



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Reply #28 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 6:17pm
 
Oh look, there's a cliff up ahead... STEP ON THE GAS!

That's why we're alarmed.
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Reply #29 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 6:24pm
 
If we've already passed that cliff, might give some concerns of a parachute.


seems we've accelerated past half a million jobs per month for a time.
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Reply #30 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 6:40pm
 
My take on some of these posts is that it sounds like some of you are hoping....praying, that whatever Washington comes up, with will fail.

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Reply #31 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 6:57pm
 
Charlie,
You sure have a way of saying allot without saying much.
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Reply #32 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 7:40pm
 
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My take on some of these posts is that it sounds like some of you are hoping....praying, that whatever Washington comes up, with will fail.


No, I hope he doesn't fail. I hope he comes through with some good ideas. Times are rough now, though him preaching the vote for this or die thing doesn't help. He can give a good speach, I'll give you that.

I put this more to the likes of shooting yourself in the right foot to make the pain in the left foot go away. Two wrongs don't make a right kind of thing. Given some time, I might even thing he's not bad, just wrong..... Wink

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Reply #33 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 7:53pm
 
I am hoping and praying that Obama, Pelosi, Ried, and all of them FAIL at shredding our constitution.

Our constitution authorizes a LIMITED government, NOT an unlimited, omnipotent nanny state.  This country was formed on the principles of personal responsibility, NOT cradle-to-grave government.  We are a Republic of States.  The federal government is quickly usurping every power they can in the name of saving us, when in fact it is they who have ruined us.

There's a reason we have the right to bear arms, and I'm afraid that we'll soon be put in a position of exercising that right to defend ourselves against a Marxist regime.  Very afraid.

God, I am glad I own guns.

Does anyone here know how close we came to a complete collapse of the world economy in September?  There was a draw down of money market funds in the space of 1.5 hours that was over $550 Billion dollars.  The government tried like hell to stem the flow by pumping $150 B into the markets before they realized they didn't have the liquidity to sustain it.  They predicted that if left unchecked, they would have seen a drawdown of $5 TRILLION dollars or more and within 24 hours the entire world economy would have collapsed.  eventually, they *closed* the markets and offered a $250K gaurantee on all accounts.  This temporary fix has gotten us this far, but the fundemental problems still exist.

The fact is, the economy is teetering on the edge of disaster, and the government is spending TRILLIONS on a liberal wet-dream instead of addressing the problem at all.  Almost nothing in this bill is helpful.

I hope you all know how to grow your own food and hunt.  You better start learning.

How's THAT for alarmist?  When the depression is in full swing, do you think anybody will give a rat's ass if you are democrat or republican?  It doesn't matter anymore, really.
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Reply #34 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 8:16pm
 
Not much point in arguing when talk of Marxism and communism pops up. There is no place to land.

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Reply #35 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 8:30pm
 
Charlie wrote on Feb 10th, 2009 at 8:34am:
Regardless of your politics or the relevancy of his statements, the guy is smooth....so smooth. He could sell tea to the Chinese.  Cool

Charlie


Smoothness isn't leadership.  After all Ex-Lax gives you smoothness but what comes out is still $hit.  Obama may give well oratory presentations but I find he doesn't have a firm grasp of what is needed.



Reagan's budgets to this day are still talked about as the whopper budget busters but this spending bill is talked about in the media as needed.  LOL  This will be the Albatross around the neck of our economy.

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Reply #36 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 8:39pm
 
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Smoothness isn't leadership.


I said "regardless of your politics." I never said it was leadership.

I enjoy listening to people who know how to use the language. I thought Reagan was an excellent speaker. He had a sense of humor and liked people as well. It's so good to to hear after 8 years of "Duh."

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Reply #37 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 2:52am
 
Charlie,

Here's a few Reagan quotes.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, I did not take the oath I have just taken with the intention of presiding over the dissolution of the world's strongest economy.
Ronald Reagan

How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
Ronald Reagan

We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.
Ronald Reagan

No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!
Ronald Reagan

I've never been able to understand why a Republican contributor is a 'fat cat' and a Democratic contributor of the same amount of money is a 'public-spirited philanthropist'.
Ronald Reagan

Let us be sure that those who come after will say of us in our time, that in our time we did everything that could be done. We finished the race; we kept them free; we kept the faith.
Ronald Reagan

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
Ronald Reagan

Government always finds a need for whatever money it gets.
Ronald Reagan

Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.
Ronald Reagan

Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.
Ronald Reagan

Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.
Ronald Reagan

Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.
Ronald Reagan

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
Ronald Reagan

Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.
Ronald Reagan
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Reply #38 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 9:31am
 
See? It's beautiful, well-thought out and an excellent way to express his philosopy....a good part of which I tend to admire, at least in principle. He also acknowledged that it's a wide country full of good people and although he was no fan of the left; he didn't call them unpatriotic.

He had his foot in the door once and understood that most people appreciated that after his 1981 tax decreases, he was pragmatic enough to aim a good chunk of his 1982 tax increases at those who acutally should be paying the things. He had his flaws but he was called a liberal conservative by a number of the right.

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Reply #39 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 10:47am
 
Brew wrote on Feb 10th, 2009 at 8:10am:
In regards to the press conference last night, I'm not sure we were watching the same thing. It was a tightly controlled affair with only approved reporters getting selected to ask questions. Obama read from a list, who was to be called on next. He didn’t call one person that wasn’t on the list.

I have not seen one press conference like this in the 30 years since I registered to vote. Presidents generally provide a short statement, then accept questions. When they accept questions, they look for a reporter with his/her hand raised, and they call on them.

This didn’t take place last night. Obama read names, then asked where the reporter was. Then he would ramble on for up to 7 or 8 minutes with an answer that sounded more like a ten year old’s description of why he didn’t do his homework.


Ahh ... I guess you missed the O'Reilly Factor where Bush's Press Secretary described how they would plan who to call on and who not to call on .... there was a pre-approved list, along with the illusion that he called on just anyone with their hand up. 

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FLEISCHER: Yes, I used to prepare it for him. I would give him a grid, show him where every reporter is seated. And there are some reporters, you know, in that briefing room, you can imagine, Bill, you get a lot of dot coms and other oddballs who come in there. They’re screened.

O’REILLY: Like the Huffington Post. Now it gets called on.

FLEISCHER: And I used to seat them all in one section. I would call it "Siberia." And I told the President, "Don’t call on Siberia."

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Reply #40 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 11:35am
 
I guess I missed it. Do I hold Bush and Obama in the same regard? Yeah, pretty much.
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Reply #41 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 1:22pm
 
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Congressional leaders and the White House have crossed a first hurdle, tentatively agreeing to a $790 billion price tag on President Obama's economic stimulus bill.

The new price tag reflects a cut of nearly $50 billion from the Senate version.

Among the considered cuts to the bill, according to numerous Democratic aides involved in the talks, is a trim to Obama's tax credit -- $500 per worker and $1,000 per couple -- with a phase out beginning sooner than originally written: at about $70,000 per individual and $140,000 for couples.


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Reply #42 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 5:24pm
 
I don't get cutting big from the states. If anything made sense to me, it's letting the states give it a shot.

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Reply #43 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 4:52pm
 
Obama is the greatest salesman for the third party, I predict that in 2012 the folks will have had enough and the third party will get 34% of the vote!

How do I know this?, that's easy!

I Am Nostra-Dumbass!!!!   Smiley
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Reply #44 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 4:54pm
 
With Shawn on sabatical, I'm glad to have another Oamer basher back on duty.

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Reply #45 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 5:03pm
 
Bob P wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 4:54pm:
With Shawn on sabatical, I'm glad to have another Oamer basher back on duty.

Welcome back to the circus.


Thank you, sir!  Cool
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Reply #46 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:12pm
 
Personally I don't care for the Obama. I don't like anything he has done or that he will do. As far as what President Bush did or didn't do. The democrats were  in control of the house and senate, it was a stand off.
Bush might have accomplished something had they gave a inch.

Paul  Smiley I liked that post.

OK agree or disagree its not going to change my mind. Wink

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Reply #47 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:22pm
 
I'll disagree Elaine.  Cool The Democrats weren't in charge until 2007. They helped when they could before though when in the minority. Without them Bush would have had us living in the 19th century.

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Reply #48 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:48pm
 
The two-party system is a ruse, and one that's designed to make people choose sides, have someone to root for, and create the illusion that progress is being made.

Don't fall for it.
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Reply #49 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:53pm
 
Brew wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:48pm:
The two-party system is a ruse, and one that's designed to make people choose sides, have someone to root for, and create the illusion that progress is being made.

Don't fall for it.


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Obama is the greatest salesman for the third party, I predict that in 2012 the folks will have had enough and the third party will get 34% of the vote!


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