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Charlie CH.com Alumnus Offline Happy to be here Posts: 18971 Jamestown, NY Gender:	Re: Be Critical In Your Thinking Reply #25 - Feb 10^th, 2009 at 6:49pm Quote: Democrats and true Liberals. Of course. Liberal is good. Conservative, not so good. Charlie
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Reply #27 - Feb 10^th, 2009 at 6:56pm

Sir Charles,

I believe that definitions are required prior to passing judgments like that. Some folks are a bit myopic on the subject, so there is no room for discussion in their case. That is not how we were designed and built.

This country has done pretty well for itself since its inception with differing points of view. Now it's coming down to "haves" vs. "have nots" and I think that you will see that right here on this board.

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Reply #28 - Feb 10^th, 2009 at 7:03pm

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B$, Many of us who oppose the current Marxist administration are not defending Bush OR Clinton. In my opinion, they are all cut from the same cloth, and they might as well burn our constitution instead of pretending that we have one in effect.

As a strict Constitutionalist, I couldn't agree more. GWB was never the "Great Hope" of Conservatives, he was the lesser of two evils.

I would prefer the Federal government stayed out of the medical field, the abortion issue, and so many other areas of life they have no business regulating and legislating. If people feel abortion needs to be debated and kept legal, then leave it up to the individual states to decide. Same with healthcare, same with drinking age, same with, same with, same with. . . . . .

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As a strict Constitutionalist, I couldn't agree more. GWB was never the "Great Hope" of Conservatives, he was the lesser of two evils.

I would prefer the Federal government stayed out of the medical field, the abortion issue, and so many other areas of life they have no business regulating and legislating. If people feel abortion needs to be debated and kept legal, then leave it up to the individual states to decide. Same with healthcare, same with drinking age, same with, same with, same with. . . . . .

Yet they feel they need to help you in everything...for your own good of course. I so long for the days of personal responsibility. You kept what you earned. If you worked hard and applied yourself, you did well. Didn't even matter which side was in charge, that was they way it worked. Now you hang out and wait for the goverment to wipe your ass. And you pay for them to wipe some one else ass while they're at it.

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Reply #30 - Feb 10^th, 2009 at 7:48pm

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B$, Many of us who oppose the current Marxist administration are not defending Bush OR Clinton. In my opinion, they are all cut from the same cloth, and they might as well burn our constitution instead of pretending that we have one in effect.

In 3 weeks, our glorious leader has managed to spend more money than any human in history. EVER. Money that does not exist, by the way. This cannot possibly be a good thing.

I hear that, bro. There were some terrific things that came from the 90s. The ROTH IRA and the long term capital gains rate reduction are 2 things that were terrific for both the people and the government. However, personally I think the rate reduction freed up too much cash all at once and caused bubbles in other areas. Other than a few shining lights like those, there has been a major shift since 1980 toward huge government

It burns my ass that even conservatives have lost sight of what a balanced budget means. I heard a right wing radio host talking about how the difference between revenue and expenditure is SO great, at this point it is not possible to balance the budget. You can't cut expenditures enough and you cant raise revenue enough.

It's just a shame that even conservatives have given up the fight. We haven't even spent the second half of the last $700 bil package and we need another $850bil. In the last 30 days, thats a new $1.2trillion of cash just waiting to be spent with little to no oversight.

.........and we're just sittin' here chattin' about it. Which means it will continue.............

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Reply #31 - Feb 10^th, 2009 at 7:53pm

Well… the Porkulus package passed the Senate and now goes to a committee run by House and Senate Politburo Conferees who probably never took the time to read it either like the rest of the Socialist who voted for it. There really shouldn’t be any surprise when it gains weight and takes away more of your freedoms when it emerges…

In case you weren’t watching, all the markets took a dive on this news with the Dow dropping 280 points like a rock. The Dow tanked even farther, down another 100 points closing down 382 in response to comments by the leading tax cheat anointed by the hand of the obamanoid himself to head the IRS, Timothy Geithner. Although his description of a vapid 4-point Marxist financial plan apparently lacked sufficient substance or detail, it did smell an awful lot like another two to three Trillion dollars Congress won’t be able to vote on that will go down the drain over and above the trillion dollar porkulus package, so investors bailed out.

And you know… I don’t think the obamanoid even cares… Why should he… After all, he has princess Pelosi and the politburo staffs burning the midnight oil to come up with legislation to nationalize remains of the 401k and IRA accounts millions of Americans worked a lifetime to build.

Comrade Moneyman, as a professional bean counter, you should appreciate this as that plan leaked out last fall. It calls for the Marxists to take all of the now 301k and IRA accounts and roll them into a bankrupt Social Security system after removing a substantial amount from each account to give illegal aliens welfare, free collage tuition, full unemployment, and complete medical coverage with the money you worked so hard to earn. At that point the crooks only have the expense of writing one pathetic welfare check each month. You knew welfare was the biggest ponzi scheme in history… you just didn’t count on the Marxists lead socialists raiding your real retirement holdings.

And I stand corrected… My use of the Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) was applied incorrectly… Thanks Monty for pointing this out… The correct form of mental illness that applies here is Post-traumatic BDS syndrome. That’s where well meaning liberals suffer mental anguish and depression over things like how we're going to pay for all the pork placed in the porkulus package or loss of their 401k and IRAs at the hands of their own Marxist lead socialist congress, all because they can no longer blame it on Bush…

Benjamin Franklin said it best… “Never confuse motion with action,” and “Certainty? In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.”

So let me add that none of us are getting out of this thing alive… What we should strive for is a reasonable quality of life we can afford without the fear of big government raiding our savings, making decisions for us, or taking away the freedoms laid down in the Constitution that so many have fought and died for to keep us the greatest Nation.

Again, I apologize, if I’ve offended any of you with this trilogy. It ends here. The “I told you so” comments will not be necessary. You’ll know soon enough when BOHICA from big government becomes a way of life…

Oh yes... it stands for Bend Over, Here It Comes Again...

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Marc Ex Member Gender:	Re: Be Critical In Your Thinking Reply #32 - Feb 10^th, 2009 at 7:59pm I can say nothing in response to your comments Pete, because you are correct on all counts. The truth ain't pretty, but it's still the truth. Today, the truth is something people have been taught to ignore. That is precisely why we are in this position now.
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Reply #33 - Feb 10^th, 2009 at 8:28pm

As I posted elsewhere; it doesn't pay to argue when communisim or Marxism pops up. There is no place to land.

For Marc: The difference between Republicans that call themselves conservative and Democrats that call themselves liberal, is that the former never admits the remote possibility that another point of view even exists...other than as some psychotic episode. Democrats tend to at least acknowlege the existence of the other and that it has some validity in history. That's the real fault of liberals. They are liberal.

You have to admire the discipline of the GOP. They really know how to use being in a minority. Hopefully they will have a long run teaching us how it's done.

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Reply #34 - Feb 10^th, 2009 at 9:59pm

Pete,

The Dow took it's biggest tank in early October 2008 when it appeared that McSame and the Alaskan Dixie Chic were a shoe in for the white house.

Better check your falling facts before you go off.

The chart tells the facts behind the the scare mongoring.
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Reply #35 - Feb 10^th, 2009 at 10:31pm

Batch wrote on Feb 10^th, 2009 at 7:53pm:

In case you weren’t watching, all the markets took a dive on this news with the Dow dropping 280 points like a rock. The Dow tanked even farther, down another 100 points closing down 382 in response to comments by the leading tax cheat anointed by the hand of the obamanoid himself to head the IRS, Timothy Geithner.
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Time for more critical thinking, Batch ... why did the markets really go down?? Reading the financial papers, part of it was the vagueness you mentioned, but a big part was the fact that many investors don't think the proposal is big enough.... rather than ask what is needed to fix the problem, the Dems are asking what is politically possible. Meanwhile, the economy continues to report bad numbers.

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Robert Pavlik, chief market strategist with Banyan Partners, said that even though Geithner touts the plan as comprehensive, it does not go far enough.

"Let's face facts. It's not a blow-away plan," he said. "It seems as though it's going to be a tremendous disappointment. People were hoping for so much more."

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“The plan is not the quick fix investors were hoping for, so there’s obvious disappointment,” said Danica Hampton, a currency strategist at Bank of New Zealand Ltd. in Wellington. “Risk aversion will probably spur them to seek the relative safety of the dollar and the yen in the near term.”

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The European Union’s statistics office may say tomorrow that industrial production fell 9.5 percent in December from a year earlier, after a 7.7 percent decline in November, according to a Bloomberg News survey of economists.

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The Senate passed an $838.0 billion stimulus bill and the Treasury Department outlined its long-awaited plans for the bank bailout, but Wall Street took little encouragement from either development.

Instead investors harped on the challenges in reconciling bills passed by both chambers of Congress with minimal--or zero--Republican support...

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Reply #36 - Feb 11^th, 2009 at 12:37am

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In 3 weeks, our glorious leader has managed to spend more money than any human in history. EVER. Money that does not exist, by the way. This cannot possibly be a good thing.

And it did for TARP?? LOL

Bush allocates 750B for a few banks and a thousand wall streetwalkers
and 3/4 of the country asks, "hey, wheres MY bailout?"

Obama allocates 750B to bail out 300 million Americans and he's a Marxist, personally performing abortions down in the White House bowling alley.

LOL....

If Obama was in office 6 months ago, he would have started with the banks.
If Bush was still in office, he would be pushing to get a similar stimulus package passed.

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Reply #39 - Feb 11^th, 2009 at 12:47pm

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Cammi,

Are you new here? Seriously, are you?

No, not new. Just a changed man Wink

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Cammi,

They both suck.

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Camarika Bhagga wrote on Feb 11^th, 2009 at 12:37am:

If Obama was in office 6 months ago, he would have started with the banks.
If Bush was still in office, he would be pushing to get a similar stimulus package passed.
Cammi

Pretty much in agreement, at least until I see that things have actually changed.
I believe it may be impossible no matter who is in charge.

A head transplant will not cure a body that is cancerous to it's marrow.

We may not be able to change the inner workings of business as usual, without a complete breakdown. Until we as a country make systemic changes that would preclude events like the Bernie Madoff scandal from ever happening, we'll be in a freefall. While that sort of greed is allowed, yes allowed, by the system to transpire, the cancer spreads. The problem is that, even though we try, you can't legislate morality.

I will say this, and take it FWIW from a guy posting for the 2nd time.

There has never been an election in this country that lifted the spirits of tens of millions of people in such a profound way. Never.
That in and of itself helps stabilize the foundation of this country and gives me hope. (Yes, I know, there's that word hope again)
Maybe Reagan, and a select few others, were close in percentages of the population feeling a deep down change, but never were so many millions uplifted in such an esoteric way.

We can't continue trying to lift people through temporary and interim ways like putting six hundred dollars in their pockets and thinking it will change their lives. It may change their month, but not their life.

Some may not like the shape of the buckets being used to help bail out a sinking ship, but I think it's being overlooked as to how many additional millions of people actually feel that this is their ship too.

As I said before, you can't legislate morality within a nation but you can try to improve the collective spirit and the will to endure, of it's people.
I think we have done that, if we give it some time to flourish.

OTOH, if Obama adds one more tax cheat to his cabinet, I take it all back and will go pawn my own bucket. Undecided

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