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Feb 10th, 2009 at 10:04am
 
Hi, I just found this site. I've had these for a long time, but the last few episodes have been way worse and concentrated. My father had cluster headaches exactly like mine, for may years I was in denial, thinking I just had occaisonal real bad sinus trouble, they couldn't possibly be as bad as Dad's. No question for the past 10 years though. A big 2 month episode every 1-4 years. Anybody else inherit these? (My dad's stopped completely when he was in his 60's, so I'm hopeful.)
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Reply #1 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 12:00pm
 
Lancet Neurol. 2004 May;3(5):279-83.   


Epidemiology and genetics of cluster headache.

Russell MB.

Department of Neurology, Akershus University Hospital, Oslo, Norway. m.b.russell@klinmed.uio.no

Cluster headache, the most severe primary headache, is characterised by unilateral pain, ipsilateral autonomic features, and, in many cases, restlessness. Recent epidemiological studies indicate that the prevalence of cluster headache is about one person per 500. Genetic epidemiological surveys indicate that first-degree relatives are five to 18 times-and second-degree relatives, one to three times-more likely to have cluster headache than the general population. Inheritance is likely to be autosomal dominant with low penetrance in some families, although there may also be autosomal recessive or multifactorial inheritance in others. To date, no molecular genetic clues have been identified for cluster headache. Identification of genes for cluster headache is likely to be difficult because most families reported have few affected members and genetic heterogeneity is likely. Future focus should be on ion channel genes and clock genes. This review summarises the epidemiology and genetics of cluster headache.

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Neurology. 2001 May 8;56(9):1233-6. 


Increased familial risk of cluster headache.

Leone M, Russell MB, Rigamonti A, Attanasio A, Grazzi L, D'Amico D, Usai S, Bussone G.

Carlo Besta National Neurological Institute, Milan, Italy.

The authors studied the occurrence of cluster headache in the families of 220 Italian patients with cluster headache. A positive family history was found in 20% (44/220) of the families. Compared with the general population, first-degree relatives had a 39-fold significantly increased risk of cluster headache. Second-degree relatives had an eightfold significantly increased risk. The increased familial risk strongly supports the hypothesis that cluster headache has a genetic component in some families.

PMID: 11342697 [PubMed]

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Reply #2 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 12:02pm
 
Yes there are several of us that had a parent with Clusterheadaches. My father's also abated in his late 50's, until just before he passed from cancer - triggered by some of the medications he was being treated with.


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Reply #3 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 1:52pm
 
My maternal grandmother was diagnosed with then decades ago. They sent her to the Mayo clinic and pumped her full of narcotics for years.  Who knows how accurate the diagnosis was, but it seems like that's what she had, and eventually they stopped.  Nobody else in my family has had them, but several people in my family suffer from migraines.
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Reply #4 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 2:38pm
 
Thanks, that answers my question. My dad tried every medication he could find, some of them worked on one episode but never again, ended up with all kinds of ulcer/intestine problems from his fancy medication diet, but at least the headaches went away.

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Unless you are 40+ yrs old you don't know how primitive medical knowledge was about treating cluster in the "good old days."
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Reply #6 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 3:26pm
 
My Dad had them too.  His left for good when he was in his late 40s.  I'm there with no sign of relief yet.  Undecided

I'm just hoping none of my kids inherit it from me...

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Reply #7 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 10:41pm
 
I have 13 siblings and I'm the only one with the black marble! My daughters are 24 and 22...neither has CH!

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Reply #8 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 12:05pm
 
SHIT (excuse my French)
This has been one of my biggest fears… I’m turning 30 this year and living with this beast which never lays off or sleeps… I think only a 9mm could kill it Wink
Don’t think I’ve had a “real” relationship since it all started (and im a pretty happy guy, very active ,  always out having a good time… good job... people just don’t know… ).
But this “handicap” im bringing into the relationship and then just the thought of MAYBE giving it over to my kids… no way !
I come from a big family & kids is a thing I’ve always wanted…
but I don’t think I could live with myself

this post has just depressed the hell out of me
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Reply #9 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 2:30pm
 
Heck, I never though to blame my dad for these. I'm still glad I exist 90% or so of the time...I went ahead and had kids anyway...

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Reply #10 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 4:14pm
 

My late husband who had episodic CH was the only one in his family and extended family with CH, although many of them have migraines.

Although in some cases there appears to be a genetic component which can be passed from one generation to the next, no one has yet confirmed definitely the gene allele for the diagnosis of CH. The process at best seems to be random.

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Reply #11 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 4:43pm
 
I have a sister with CH.  She has been in remission for several years.  I'm hoping to follow her example!

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Reply #12 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 5:44pm
 
uncle-cluster wrote on Feb 11th, 2009 at 12:05pm:
SHIT (excuse my French)
This has been one of my biggest fears… I’m turning 30 this year and living with this beast which never lays off or sleeps… I think only a 9mm could kill it Wink
Don’t think I’ve had a “real” relationship since it all started (and im a pretty happy guy, very active ,  always out having a good time… good job... people just don’t know… ).
But this “handicap” im bringing into the relationship and then just the thought of MAYBE giving it over to my kids… no way !
I come from a big family & kids is a thing I’ve always wanted…
but I don’t think I could live with myself

this post has just depressed the hell out of me



I would not let it control your life and future like that.  There is no proven genetic link.  There may be something, but nothing with overwhelming numbers yet.  A lot of people have CHs and kids that never get it.  I know it's a fear, though, and I'd never want to pass it on to my kids, but it also shouldn't hold you back.  Treatment is getting better & better anyway, so even if it was passed along, it wouldn't be the end of the world, and it seems you are likely not to pass it on.
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Reply #13 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:24am
 
Tim wrote on Feb 10th, 2009 at 2:38pm:
Thanks, that answers my question. My dad tried every medication he could find, some of them worked on one episode but never again, ended up with all kinds of ulcer/intestine problems from his fancy medication diet, but at least the headaches went away.

-Tim


I hear you on the ulcers!  Same here.  10 years of bottle after bottle of asprin when in cycle.  Never knew the headache would just go away on its own in 20 min.

My mother suffered from what she daid was very severe migrain but sometimes I wonder if it wasn't CH.

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Reply #14 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 9:53am
 
I don't know of anyone  in my family that had CH.

My sister has some headache problems that were due to a tumour near one of her eyes. Several operations fixed it but she was advised to never drink alcohol which she never has in over 30 years.

Two of my sons have similar allergies to me  and the same sinus type problems, so I worry a bit about them. I have already told all my kids about CH and told them if they get any symptoms to get some help from me straight away.

At least they won't have to go through what I did for so many years, undiagnosed with no abortive treatments.

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uncle-cluster wrote on Feb 11th, 2009 at 12:05pm:
SHIT (excuse my French)
This has been one of my biggest fears… I’m turning 30 this year and living with this beast which never lays off or sleeps… I think only a 9mm could kill it Wink
Don’t think I’ve had a “real” relationship since it all started (and im a pretty happy guy, very active ,  always out having a good time… good job... people just don’t know… ).
But this “handicap” im bringing into the relationship and then just the thought of MAYBE giving it over to my kids… no way !
I come from a big family & kids is a thing I’ve always wanted…
but I don’t think I could live with myself

this post has just depressed the hell out of me



I'm a cluster sufferer and I have a child with CH. He was diagnosed at 3 and is now just 7. It IS a nightmare, it's my weak spot, my achilles heel - the thing that causes me more pain than any hit ever could..

But I wouldn't be without him for a minute. Not a damn minute.

Jasper himself said to me when I was upset about him having ch that  "Well I'm not having one now mummy". If he can have the balls to live with it so can I.

I have two other children. Neither have CH. There are a collective of thousands of kids from parents that post here and not even a handful of those have CH.

How much of your life will you give up to the beast?

If I was in a position to have another child now - I would. Even having one child with CH already. I have thousands more "good" hours with him than I do bad ones. I have far more joy from him than I do pain.

To quote a now absent friend, Never let the fear of CH stop you from living your life.

Don't forget, bad and all as CH is - there are worse things a child can inherit.

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uncle-cluster wrote on Feb 11th, 2009 at 12:05pm:
SHIT (excuse my French)
This has been one of my biggest fears… I’m turning 30 this year and living with this beast which never lays off or sleeps… I think only a 9mm could kill it Wink
Don’t think I’ve had a “real” relationship since it all started (and im a pretty happy guy, very active ,  always out having a good time… good job... people just don’t know… ).
But this “handicap” im bringing into the relationship and then just the thought of MAYBE giving it over to my kids… no way !
I come from a big family & kids is a thing I’ve always wanted…
but I don’t think I could live with myself

this post has just depressed the hell out of me



I'm a cluster sufferer and I have a child with CH. He was diagnosed at 3 and is now just 7. It IS a nightmare, it's my weak spot, my achilles heel - the thing that causes me more pain than any hit ever could..

But I wouldn't be without him for a minute. Not a damn minute.

Jasper himself said to me when I was upset about him having ch that  "Well I'm not having one now mummy". If he can have the balls to live with it so can I.

I have two other children. Neither have CH. There are a collective of thousands of kids from parents that post here and not even a handful of those have CH.

How much of your life will you give up to the beast?

If I was in a position to have another child now - I would. Even having one child with CH already. I have thousands more "good" hours with him than I do bad ones. I have far more joy from him than I do pain.

To quote a now absent friend, Never let the fear of CH stop you from living your life.

Don't forget, bad and all as CH is - there are worse things a child can inherit.

Regards
Helen



I understand what you and others are saying… but please note how many times you said (used the word ) in your message “I” this … “I” that… “I” enjoy…  “I” etc… (all about you..) What about the kid ? I mean this with no disrespect !!!
And you are right about that fact that kids can be born with much worse things + things can happen to us as life go on..  but if this would be something that I actually gave over to my kid knowingly before I had him/her…. (and I’m speaking from the point of view of not even a parent yet…) .
or what if there was a % of giving this to your spouse/ partner sexually ? what would you do then??
I know this message sounds harsh & im off the deep-end… but on the reg. I consider myself living a more normal life than most people (& I suffer from this chronically..) but I do have to deal with it every day =  change & plan things out + I have things that worry me ….

If anyone could give me the answer to the hypothetical question of “what if” there was a % that we may transfer this to our spouses… what would we do & would we take that chance (would we let them ? –if we cared) & get into a relationship with them…. if they would see a full blown attack (a number of times a day...) would they take the chance ? let me know
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Reply #17 - Feb 13th, 2009 at 11:43am
 
I was diagnosed a long time after all my children were born. Even then I had little thought or idea about any possibility that it could be inherited via me.

If I was younger and did not have any children and hypothetically they would inherit it from me then I would not have any.

Having said that, there is no evidence that it is inherited. So we do not know.

This is my personal opinion and I have no wish to persuade others as to it's veracity.

Interesting thread.

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Reply #18 - Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:03pm
 
Hey Uncle C!

I understand your fears... I really do.     I have a wonderful 10 year old daughter named Morgan.  She was born with a kidney disorder that I PASSED ON TO HER.  She has been sick a great deal of her life.  She has missed out on a lot due to being hospitalized and faces possible complications as she gets older.    She is also one of the happiest, confident, secure, compassionate, kind, loving, smart, ( you get the idea) children I know.   

Anytime one brings a child into this world there is a risk.  Will they be healthy?  Born with ten fingers and toes?  Will they be happy? Will they have CH?  One never knows.  You deal with what life throws at you.  It works out.

Live life! ! ! Smiley
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Reply #19 - Feb 13th, 2009 at 2:10pm
 
Hi Jeannie,
Im sorry to hear about Morgan & I hope she only gets better!!  I understand that you were trying to give me an example… and i know she is the light of your life

But I would like to re-ask everyone my question …
““If anyone could give me the answer to the hypothetical question of “what if” there was a % chance that we may transfer this CH to our spouses…
what would we do then & would we take that chance and get into a relationship. Say it was sexually transmitted …  ‘hypothetically’ what would one do ?
if they would see a full blown attack (a number of times a day...) would they take the chance ? ”” 

btw-thank you Ellick for your honest reply
its how I feel , it strengthens my sadness… but I’m a realist
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Reply #20 - Feb 13th, 2009 at 2:33pm
 
Okay..... What % chance?    If it were 100% that I would give it to my spouse, I would have thought twice before being in a relationship.   If I could use precautions to avoid it,  I would go that route.

I just think that the chance is so small that  the benefits outweigh the risk.  The joy of being in love and then  raising a family is worth the risk ( to me.)  Maybe I am just more selfish than you are.  I just hate to see the beast rob you of a normal life.

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Reply #21 - Feb 13th, 2009 at 2:54pm
 
I have just sat and asked Jasper what he thinks about his custard headaches (That's what he calls them
He has now had four full cycles of 5-6 months each time so technically he is episodic although in actual fact, he's suffered CH for a larger percentage of his life than most on this site.

I'm chronic. This is just os you have some background of how it affects our family.

I asked him as I said what he thought about custard headaches and he said "What about them?" so I said would you rather not have ever had them and he said "I'd rather you didn't have them mummy, it makes me sadder when you have them because when I have them I have you".

The irony of this is unbearable. I can't bear the pain of him having CH and until today, I didn't know it was his biggest pain too. I guess it's an instinctive CH trait, the agony of seeing someone else suffer is far greater than our own pain whatever our age.

Damnit I can hardly see through my tears writing this. He is one incredible kid and wise and compassionate way beyond his years.

I find it so hard to believe he is only seven right now.

He is also a naughty little boy who gets into his fair share of mischief believe me! He loves playing top trumps, on the xbox 360 and drawing and writing stories. He loves facts too and the thing I hear most from him is "Mummy do you know..."

I guess what I'm trying to say is that he is a normal little boy who has an abnormal condition which he refuses to let get him down.

The risk of getting CH is small, the risk of passing it on appears to be unfounded to minimal according to research to date.

My conclusion? There is a far greater risk of making excuses for reasons not to live your life than there is of the "risk" of CH.
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Reply #22 - Feb 13th, 2009 at 3:02pm
 
Well said my dear, Helen.    Morgan and Jasper should meet someday. 

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Jeannie wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 3:02pm:
Well said my dear, Helen.    Morgan and Jasper should meet someday.  

Jeannie


There is nothing I'd like more than to bring Jasper to a convention - and I will! He has a lot of family he's going to love (but I will DEFINITELY be seeing you this summer!!!)
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Reply #24 - Feb 13th, 2009 at 3:30pm
 
All I am hearing is “me me me”
Im living a good life (with some snags) & dealing with my CH like a ninja ! nothing gets in my way (but these questions..)
Again -  Im talking about inflicting pain on other people!? While others are talking about “us” CH people “enjoying life to the max” (good to market). 
your Jasper started his “custard”s when he was 3 ?? I have 14 Nieces & nephews (all under the age of 16) im around them ALL the time & I experience the joy my sisters have. When I ask these questions… they only come out of love & consideration 
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