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Re: Civil war?
Reply #25 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:30am
 
BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:07am:
Bob P wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 9:57am:
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For heavens sake son, you started a thread about a revolution to divide the United States of America


I don't see anything about dividing the USA.


Check out the name of the thread if you get a chance.




You mean the Civil War with the question mark?  From Wiki:
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A civil war is a war between organized groups to take control of a nation or region, or to change government policies.

Still don't see anything about dividing the USA.  Shawn speaks of changing government policies.
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Reply #26 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:48am
 
JDH wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:17am:
Other than the drama of letting everyone know you're leaving why do people have to become 'ex-members' when they leave?
I see it over and over and all I can figure is they're afraid no one will miss them unless they make this dramatic exit complete with a 'this is my final post' thread.   Roll Eyes
sheesh people get over yourselves

With all due respect, Jim, I did this recently. I needed to take away my ability to hit the "Reply" button. It was an acknowledgement of my own character flaw, but I don't think it had anything to do with getting over myself.
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Re: Civil war?
Reply #27 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:55am
 
Brew wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:48am:
JDH wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:17am:
Other than the drama of letting everyone know you're leaving why do people have to become 'ex-members' when they leave?
I see it over and over and all I can figure is they're afraid no one will miss them unless they make this dramatic exit complete with a 'this is my final post' thread.   Roll Eyes
sheesh people get over yourselves

With all due respect, Jim, I did this recently. I needed to take away my ability to hit the "Reply" button. It was an acknowledgement of my own character flaw, but I don't think it had anything to do with getting over myself.


So why not just stop coming here instead of deleting your profile and doing the 'final post' thing?
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Reply #28 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 11:00am
 
we need this place, and I respect what Brew just said and I understand it now.

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Reply #29 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 11:01am
 
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This place, even moderated, is not civil anymore.

I'm going guest for now. Those of you who I'll lose contact with, it was nice knowing you.

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Sounds like he's just taking a break.
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Reply #30 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 11:04am
 
JDH wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:55am:
Brew wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:48am:
JDH wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:17am:
Other than the drama of letting everyone know you're leaving why do people have to become 'ex-members' when they leave?
I see it over and over and all I can figure is they're afraid no one will miss them unless they make this dramatic exit complete with a 'this is my final post' thread.   Roll Eyes
sheesh people get over yourselves

With all due respect, Jim, I did this recently. I needed to take away my ability to hit the "Reply" button. It was an acknowledgement of my own character flaw, but I don't think it had anything to do with getting over myself.


So why not just stop coming here instead of deleting your profile and doing the 'final post' thing?

As long as I still had a profile, I still had the ability to respond. By deleting my profile, I could no longer do that.

As to the "just stop coming here" thing, maybe you and many others have the willpower to do that.

If you have that ability, I'm not asking you to understand my situation - just acknowledge it for what it is.
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Reply #31 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 11:25am
 
    I have to agree with Brew on this,  in a situation  where I am upset it would be very hard for me to just not respond or not come here.   I have mentioned it before we need our own personal lock buttons so we can ban ourselves,   then we wouldn't need to delete our profile.
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Reply #32 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 11:28am
 
Same here Brew.  For some of us, it can be difficult to bite one's tongue......yet we still believe in if you don't have anything nice to say than keep your mouth shut. 
I had to log out for a while so that I would not respond.  If I had responded, some people may have gotten upset and I may have even lost my ability to come here.  I didnt want for that to happen, so I logged out.
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Reply #33 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 11:44am
 
BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 11:28am:
Same here Brew.  For some of us, it can be difficult to bite one's tongue......yet we still believe in if you don't have anything nice to say than keep your mouth shut.  
I had to log out for a while so that I would not respond.  If I had responded, some people may have gotten upset and I may have even lost my ability to come here.  I didnt want for that to happen, so I logged out.

And if I find myself in similar circumstances in the future, I'll probably try that first. I used these last few months to learn how to hold back a little.
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Re: Civil war?
Reply #34 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 12:09pm
 
Brew wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 11:44am:
BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 11:28am:
Same here Brew.  For some of us, it can be difficult to bite one's tongue......yet we still believe in if you don't have anything nice to say than keep your mouth shut.  
I had to log out for a while so that I would not respond.  If I had responded, some people may have gotten upset and I may have even lost my ability to come here.  I didnt want for that to happen, so I logged out.

And if I find myself in similar circumstances in the future, I'll probably try that first. I used these last few months to learn how to hold back a little.



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Reply #35 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 1:36pm
 
I know this is off-topic but awww.  I'm a bit of a civil war buff and I was hoping... well, nevermind.
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Reply #36 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 1:52pm
 
PbZep wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 1:36pm:
I know this is off-topic but awww.  I'm a bit of a civil war buff and I was hoping... well, nevermind.

Nevermind? Bullshit.

Start a thread. There's a reason this board is called "General."
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Reply #37 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 2:27pm
 
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This place, even moderated, is not civil anymore.

I'm going guest for now. Those of you who I'll lose contact with, it was nice knowing you.

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Re: Civil war?
Reply #38 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 2:51pm
 
seasonalboomer wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 2:27pm:
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This place, even moderated, is not civil anymore.

I'm going guest for now. Those of you who I'll lose contact with, it was nice knowing you.

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Re: Civil war?
Reply #39 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:01pm
 
Paul98 wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:02am:
I see another area aside from name calling that the mods need to be aware of.


Paul, you are fair minded and have expressed views always civil toward others, insight and observation shared is always fine from you.  


But if this is what you meant,

catlind wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:25am:
Freedom of speech, as long as you agree with the administration...


Speech flows freely in disagreement more times than not here, if that be the issue.  

I've never viewed any aspect of conversation as agree or dis but may have views that are simply different.  That is why words like left, right, Rep, Dem, conservative, and liberal are never used in the political conversations where I've minimally commented.


Bob P wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:31am:
I believe referring to Shawn as Lou Dobbs crosses this line.


I'd be hesitant to put any finger here, Charlie takes a far bit yet with consistant replies very pleasantly toned.  

Being rather fearless of confrontation and at home in any rough and tumble fult tilt boogie, I am not one to mind offensive anything, except when I see it directed at others.  I know rules are rules but I would hope no one be barred for any offense to me because it's not, just less pleasant for others to see and I agree it's a motivating factor.  
 I will never understand how arguments are put forth introduced with others having a lack of history knowledge.  We are very, very lucky to have Charlie on the board here.  Anyone stating an argument in opposition to him with that included I consider highly disrespectful, and will respond.  As Paul has stated, "I see another area aside from name calling."  For simplicity, I've not further exampled Monty also above others.  Disregarding the talent here can only lead to undesired repercussions.  
 To get back to your comment Bob after what I've attempted to outline,

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Those who buy in to this kind of social engineering through redistribution of wealth, whether it's because they are true socialists or just simple foks who blindly follow the hand that feeds them, don't want to admit they have been duped.


True socialists, simple folks, blindly follow, and duped.  In trying to maintain a framing of the conversation as one may wish to see it with this and then comment the place is not civil, I'd take a break, too.  While not a bother to me, I think of others that posed opposition to thought that this just does not fit.  

Despite otherwise, much respect to Shawn for an overabundance of well-intentioned thought done with a recognized capacity.

Needless to say, all just opinion.


 

 

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Re: Civil war?
Reply #40 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:53pm
 
Kevin_M wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 3:01pm:
Paul98 wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:02am:
I see another area aside from name calling that the mods need to be aware of.


Paul, you are fair minded and have expressed views always civil toward others, insight and observation shared is always fine from you.  


But if this is what you meant,

catlind wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:25am:
Freedom of speech, as long as you agree with the administration...




Nothing wrong with disagreeing with the administration and our constitution allows for it through legal redress of grievances through petition of congress.  I think Cat was referring to the attitude of the social left in that their view is; you are wrong if you do not think like they do.  But this is my interpretation of what Cat wrote.  Perhaps I misread it.

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Reply #41 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 4:11pm
 
Within reach, fairly understood Cat's comment.  Of a curious nature, while your "area" has interest, it exercised privacy of the boundaries of thought.  However, it inspired me to realize there are other areas that touch but register only perhaps individually. 

Thanks for the initiative.     Smiley
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Reply #42 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 5:07pm
 
JDH wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:17am:
Other than the drama of letting everyone know you're leaving why do people have to become 'ex-members' when they leave?
I see it over and over and all I can figure is they're afraid no one will miss them unless they make this dramatic exit complete with a 'this is my final post' thread.   Roll Eyes
sheesh people get over yourselves



Sorry this is off topic but I wish to share my view here.

Sometimes when people leave and delete their profile it may be because they feel hurt. Whether the reason they feel hurt is justified or not to the rest of the Board, it is real to the person.

Natural human reaction to any kind to pain is to get rid of it. Deleting the profile may work symbolically as a way of getting rid of that pain.

If we are to be supportive to our fellow sufferers, not just CHers but supporters too, then we should try to understand more and judge less.


Fu, I miss you and I hope you come back soon. I have left the light on for you.


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Reply #43 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 6:19pm
 
Let me clear up my comment. 

I was in no way referencing the threads or discussions that have taken place on the boards. 

What I was referencing was the inference to the bigger issue that can come up when you start talking about civil unrest etc. and specifically in regards to comments you make in any online forum that the police will not hesitate to charge you with uttering terroristic threats.

I unfortunately have personal experience with that very issue.  And if you make comments that don't fit well with the administration (any administration - not a specific one) or make anything that is deemed a threat by Homeland Security, they can and will charge you with the above charge.

It is in no way a reflection to anything on the boards here or any specific train of thought or debate.

Hope that clears up any misconceptions with my post.

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Reply #44 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 8:39pm
 
You're right I think. I shouldn't compare directly like that.

Lou Dobbs: This guy seemed to be pretty rational awhile ago. Now, every time I look for something on the radio.....there he is. He's right on a lot of stuff but for me, I have to dig a little deeper each time.

I'll try to stick around. This place needs a socialistic liberal elite supporter and all around PITA on the left.  Cool

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Reply #45 - Feb 12th, 2009 at 11:31pm
 
Fu,

   Sorry to see you go. I for one don't care what anyone thinks of me so no one will be running me off.

   I can see that the America we once had is now gone. We have an empty economy that just sells things made by other countries to our citizens, while our government helps companies move jobs out of the country.

   There has been loss of civil liberties. Our current government are trying to spend us out of a recession that was caused by people borrowing money who couldn't afford it. Our current president appears to be the most corrupt one to date, excluding president Cheney.

   I doubt that a state will be able to succeed without a overwhelming response from the Federal government. They have the nukes and I am sure they will use them.

   There can't be a revolution because there are not enough people to rebel. The majority of the people in this country are sheep who will vote for whatever idiot the two parties put on the ballot. That is why Ron Paul's revoluton will fail, He will never get on one of the two parties ballots, that would be their worst fear.

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Reply #46 - Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:57am
 
Bob P wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:30am:
BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:07am:
Bob P wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 9:57am:
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For heavens sake son, you started a thread about a revolution to divide the United States of America


I don't see anything about dividing the USA.


Check out the name of the thread if you get a chance.




You mean the Civil War with the question mark?  From Wiki:
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A civil war is a war between organized groups to take control of a nation or region, or to change government policies.

Still don't see anything about dividing the USA.  Shawn speaks of changing government policies.


So, lemme get this straight.  You are talking about a civil war between 2 unified sides?  If they are unified (rather than divided), what would a civil war be about? 

 
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Reply #48 - Feb 13th, 2009 at 4:46pm
 
Cool!

Then Bill O'Reilly and Glen Beck's blood pressure should drop a bit.   Cool

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Reply #49 - Feb 13th, 2009 at 4:57pm
 
Brew wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 1:52pm:
PbZep wrote on Feb 12th, 2009 at 1:36pm:
I know this is off-topic but awww.  I'm a bit of a civil war buff and I was hoping... well, nevermind.

Nevermind? Bullshit.

Start a thread. There's a reason this board is called "General."

Way to hold back my friend.

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