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Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:06pm

During the stimulus bill signing ceremony today, Obama said the following:

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I don't want to pretend that today marks the end of our economic problems. Nor does it constitute all of what we have to do to turn our economy around. But today does mark the beginning of the end, the beginning of what we need to do to create jobs for Americans scrambling in the wake of layoffs.

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The way he says it just sounds ominous to me.

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stevegeebe CH.com Alumnus Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 1687 Mandeville, LA Gender:	Re: Does this sound ominous to you? Reply #1 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:48pm If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Spend away Government. It seems it's all you know how to do. Steve G
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monty CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Posts: 1056 The Swamp, Florida	Re: Does this sound ominous to you? Reply #2 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:48pm No. Not ominous at all. I think you have to believe it to see it (or hear it).
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Charlie CH.com Alumnus Offline Happy to be here Posts: 18971 Jamestown, NY Gender:	Re: Does this sound ominous to you? Reply #3 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:50pm Haven't been stimulated lately. No......not there! Charlie
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monty CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Posts: 1056 The Swamp, Florida	Re: Does this sound ominous to you? Reply #4 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:52pm It's not that I think it is a great bill, or that government action alone can magically solve everything. It is a dose of medicine that may help with the economic flu, may have some side effects, ... and like most cold and flu medicines, it is hard to say what would have happened if it had not been taken.
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BMoneeTheMoneeMan CH.com Alumnus Offline In remembrance of KingCazman. RIP Posts: 2674 Portland, OR	Re: Does this sound ominous to you? Reply #5 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:52pm Yeah, dude. I totally hear you. And why the hell would Obama personally inspect the solar panels on the roof? Wouldn't it be better to have some sort of expert in PV cells or power generation inspect the panels? Just a friggin photo op.
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Re: Does this sound ominous to you?
Reply #6 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:59pm

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:52pm:

And why the hell would Obama personally inspect the solar panels on the roof? Wouldn't it be better to have some sort of expert in PV cells or power generation inspect the panels?

Hell no!, Not when he can get gang bangers to do it!....LMAO Grin

President Barack Obama has made the production of renewable energy one of the pillars of job creation. All sorts of people are now rushing to acquire skills to launch careers in the budding sector.

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I would watch out for the women folk if I were these people.....LMMFAO!!!! Smiley

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Reply #7 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:00pm

monty wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:52pm:

It's not that I think it is a great bill, or that government action alone can magically solve everything. It is a dose of medicine that may help with the economic flu, may have some side effects, ... and like most cold and flu medicines, it is hard to say what would have happened if it had not been taken.

I guess time will tell. Wall Street sure didn't seem to like it today.

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Reply #8 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:01pm

Dumb question - but what about thoseof us who have overextended ourselves in the credit market taking responsibility and drastically cutting spending and losing the instant gratification stigma and busting our butts to eliminate the extraneous debt we have accumulated and begin living below our means to pay of our creditors and being to save money and go back to basics?

Am I really that naive?

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Reply #9 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:02pm

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:52pm:

And why the hell would Obama personally inspect the solar panels on the roof? Wouldn't it be better to have some sort of expert in PV cells or power generation inspect the panels?

What are you trying to do? Rain on his parade? This is the first trip he's gotten to take on Air Force One.

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Reply #10 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:03pm

catlind wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:01pm:

Dumb question - but what about thoseof us who have overextended ourselves in the credit market taking responsibility and drastically cutting spending and losing the instant gratification stigma and busting our butts to eliminate the extraneous debt we have accumulated and begin living below our means to pay of our creditors and being to save money and go back to basics?

Am I really that naive?

Cat

What are you, friggin' nuts? That would be so old school. Wink

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stevegeebe CH.com Alumnus Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 1687 Mandeville, LA Gender:	Re: Does this sound ominous to you? Reply #11 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:04pm Watch Frontline...on now. PBS Steve G
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Does this sound ominous to you? Reply #12 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:06pm stevegeebe wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:04pm: Watch Frontline...on now. PBS Steve G Can't. Can you synopsize?
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Redd CH.com Sponsor Offline Posts: 8457 Stevens Point USA Wisconsin Gender:	Re: Does this sound ominous to you? Reply #13 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:21pm Brew wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:06pm: stevegeebe wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:04pm: Watch Frontline...on now. PBS Steve G Can't. Can you synopsize? Me either. Can't afford cable anymore.
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Reply #14 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:33pm

catlind wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:01pm:

Am I really that naive?

No, that will happen ... it doesn't bother me at all to see people who were overindulging cut back and live within their means.

What does bother me is seeing a steep rise in unemployment, falling wages, and the difficulties that responsible people have in getting a mortgage or loan. Lots of people will get slammed that were not living high on the hog.

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Reply #15 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:45pm

monty wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:33pm:

catlind wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:01pm:

Am I really that naive?

No, that will happen ... it doesn't bother me at all to see people who were overindulging cut back and live within their means.

Do you mean like when three bankers bought this country and we all had to live lower than we were?

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Reply #16 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 10:17pm

No, that isn't what I meant. I'm not sure that 3 bankers 'bought the country' ... I think lots of people have messed things up. The millions of people that are over their heads in debt, the people that loaned them the money, hedge fund managers, the Fed, which kept the money supply too loose and cheap, repeal of legislation that limited banks, allowing usury, etc. etc.

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Jennifer CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 3265 Supply, VA Gender:	Re: Does this sound ominous to you? Reply #17 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 10:34pm ..... and then there are those of us, and I am sure there are many, who did everything they could within their power "right" but due to circumstances beyond our control, are now completely fucked. None of this "economic stimulus" shit means anything.
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Reply #18 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 11:34pm

Nah... it doesn't sound ominous at all.

What this whole stimulus package seems to be is a squirt gun being used to put out a huge fire in an orphanage.

ya want ominous... It's going to get a whole lot worse... I'd guess that it will get so bad that many of us will not have internet access in the next 5 years. In fact no internet will be the least of our problems.

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Reply #20 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 11:54pm

Brew wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:03pm:

catlind wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:01pm:

Dumb question - but what about thoseof us who have overextended ourselves in the credit market taking responsibility and drastically cutting spending and losing the instant gratification stigma and busting our butts to eliminate the extraneous debt we have accumulated and begin living below our means to pay of our creditors and being to save money and go back to basics?

Am I really that naive?

Cat

What are you, friggin' nuts? That would be so old school. Wink

Guess that's why the Cdn Gov't audited me when I sent them a bill for the year they had use of my money through taxes - they didn't appreciate my perspective and audited me.

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Reply #21 - Feb 18^th, 2009 at 12:54am

Brew wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:02pm:

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:52pm:

And why the hell would Obama personally inspect the solar panels on the roof? Wouldn't it be better to have some sort of expert in PV cells or power generation inspect the panels?

What are you trying to do? Rain on his parade? This is the first trip he's gotten to take on Air Force One.

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Nah, he took Air Force One to Chicago to take his wife out to dinner for Valentines Day, then flew it back to Washington before flying out to Denver. It doesn't matter how much of a carbon footprint HE leaves. It is US who have to prevent global warming. He's just like Pelosi, Reed, Gore, and others who try to make it impossible for us to enjoy life as we know it, but they go on and live it up on OUR nickel.

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Reply #22 - Feb 18^th, 2009 at 6:25am

Artonio wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 11:34pm:

Nah... it doesn't sound ominous at all.

What this whole stimulus package seems to be is a squirt gun being used to put out a huge fire in an orphanage.

ya want ominous... It's going to get a whole lot worse... I'd guess that it will get so bad that many of us will not have internet access in the next 5 years. In fact no internet will be the least of our problems.

with warm regards,
Tony

Like going after an iceberg with an icepick? So what we're in for would be the throwing of ever increasing numbers of dollars that don't exist at a problem that keeps getting bigger?

Maybe the people fighting the fire should be allowed to keep more of their own money to buy better firefighting tools....

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Reply #23 - Feb 18^th, 2009 at 7:15am

Quote from Brew post:
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I don't want to pretend that today marks the end of our economic problems. Nor does it constitute all of what we have to do to turn our economy around. But today does mark the beginning of the end, the beginning of what we need to do to create jobs for Americans scrambling in the wake of layoffs.

I'm wondering if he was trying to emulate this portion of a Churchill quote following the victory at El Alameinin North Africa, London, 10 November 1942.

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Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

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Maybe the people fighting the fire should be allowed to keep more of their own money to buy better firefighting tools....

Probably works if gainfully employed, not "scrambling in the wake of layoffs."

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