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Feb 22nd, 2009 at 10:11pm
 
I don't know what is happening to me lately. I am usually a very outgoing person could sit down and have a conversation with anyone.  I am starting to fear certain situations.  I now hate being the center of attention for even a short period of time.  WTF!!!!  I feel like I am hyperventilating.  I have a pretty big meeting this friday.  I hope I can fight through this shit.

I am thinking of taking the easy way and getting medicated.  Any one deal with something similar?  Advice? 

Changes in my life recently are less medication for CH, stress from health situations, and quitting smoking.
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Reply #1 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 10:17pm
 
A great many people apparently use beta-blockers to reduce performance anxiety, including musicians, actors, etc.  Unlike traditional mood-affecting drugs, beta-blockers regularize blood pressure, reducing the physical effects that stress produces. 

No opinion on it, and no personal experience, but it may be worth looking into.  Obviously, they would have to be prescribed.

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Reply #2 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 10:19pm
 
I used to get panic attacks and anxiety ... the panic attacks (siezures) are under control, but still have anxiety issues at times.

Non-chemical ways of dealing with it:
Exercise
Meditation
Sleep Hygeine
Cognitive-behavioral therapy
Diet (for me, too many carbs, and too much fructose specifically) make things worse. I think insulin tolerance or some other metabolic factor plays into it.

Herbs:
Scutellaria, Passionflower - relatively effective, but not too sedating. Lemon balm - good if taken daily, not quick acting. Rhodiola - preliminary results are good, but not 100% sure about this one. I haven't found chamomile to be any good for me.

Pharmaceuticals:
Klonipin or xanax - only when things get really bad. I usually get one script a year, and make it last. Can quickly bring anxiety down, but also make me seem slow and doped out to people that know me if I take too much.

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Reply #3 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 10:24pm
 
Panic attack or anxiety disorder is what it sounds like to me judging by the many folks around here's description of what they go through.   Hopefully they will chime in.   

Kev...we are here to help in any way we can even if it's just to listen.  This is about all of us helping one another in all aspects of our lives.. remember that, O.K.?

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Reply #4 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 10:27pm
 
sounds like anxiety issues to me.  I tried a bunch of meds from antidepressants which can fight anxiety in low doses to xanix.  Xanix and ativan are the only two that work for me.  Every one is different and you will just have to go by trial and error with you dr.  I tried the cognative behavior therapy and it helped some but not alot.  So I am left taking medicine which makes me sleepy as all get out when I take it.  Good luck and I will be praying for you to get through this.
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Reply #5 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 10:47pm
 
I did read about the beta blockers.  As some of you know, I am no longer taking verap.  My body has changed chemically alot over the last couple months.  And I know I do not get enough sleep, no more than 6 hours a night.  This seems to be getting worse lately. 

Its worse when someone asks me a question about myself.  I have a real hard time responding.   I think alot of this has to do with quitting smoking.  Sometimes, it feels like nicotine withdrawl but I am not certain.  I won't let this fester long.  My job depends on me being the way I normally am.  Thanks for the support
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Anxiety is the end result of what your mind perceives to be unsurmountable danger. It is caused by fear. Anxiety is nothing but an emotion created by thoughts in your mind. Often it is only experienced in passing then the reasoning mind regains control.

The difficulty comes when it is allowed to take a life of its own such that the body starts to respond to those thoughts by producing and releasing hormones and chemicals, which in turn cause physical reactions such as increased heart rate, breathing rate, muscle tension, sweating and so on.

The physical reactions will then reinforce those fearful thoughts causing an endless vicious cycle, completely locking you into the terrible realm of a panic attack. By then the reasoning mind ( the cerebrals ) have lost total control.

Anxiety peaks when it is unknown fear. Ironically, most unknown fear is also unfound fear. Your mind imagines something terrible that is going to happen in the future. Since it is unknown, unreal , imagined ... the brain can not figure out how to deal with it. Fearful thoughts start to form and anxiety starts to build.

We are all much more fearful of the unknown than of the known. No matter how terrible the danger is, once we know what it is, the brain then can focus on how to deal with the danger in a practical way instead of focussing on the fear itself. Have you ever noticed when watching a horror movie, we feel the most fear when the monster is lurking but cant be seen ? Quite often, when the monster finally shows itself, we actually feel a sense of relief.

The best way to deal with anxiety is to shift the focus from the unknown fear to how the body is reacting. The minute you recognise your heart pounding and your breathing heavy, focus totally on relaxing the physical body. Go completely inwards instead of outwards. Deep breathing meditation, conscious muscles relaxation, mind distraction,etc work well here.

The worst way to deal with anxiety is to use medication or any type of chemicals. Doing so and you are telling your brain that you have absolutely no control over your mind and body, and that you need something else outside of you to do it for you. Repeating the process a few times and your brain learns to become dependent on the substance, the first step towards addiction. Medication can work very well to calm the mind and the body, in the short term. In the long term, it makes it worse. When you dont have access to the medication, the fear and the anxiety will double, because now it has to deal with an extra fear : the fear that you have absolutely no control at all and the one thing that can help you is not available. That is actually worse than whatever it is you fear in the first place.

People who need medication do so because they seek help too late. They do not know how to deal with fear and anxiety but they try to by themselves when things first start to go wrong. They put up with it, put up with it, try various but ineffective methods ... for as long as they could. Usually by the time they seek professional help, their anxiety has already reached the uncontrollable stage that the doctor has no other choice but give them a prescription.

Anxiety can be overcome by :

1- Awareness 1: be aware that anxiety does not kill you, it is nothing but a thought in your mind and it can be controlled.
2- Awareness 2: be aware that the symptoms of anxiety ( such as heart palpitation, hyperventilation ) do not kill you, wont make you faint and wont cause you to totally loose control, they can be stopped or reduced by refocussing and by relaxation techniques.
3- Meditation : Meditation doesnt mean you have to be calm enough to sit cross legged and be quiet. Meditation can be in the way that you consciously slow down your breathing, close your eyes and take deeper breaths, distract yourself with a cold drink or cold water on your face, taking a walk or even start singing ...
4- Self analysing : When the wave of anxiety passes, go over the whole scenery to analyse what triggered it, how did you respond, what helped and what did not help ie psychotherapy yourself.
5- Work through the worst scenario: go past the imagined scene of fear and see for yourself what is really the worst worst thing that can happen to you, work through it, devise an action plan. Once your brain learns that it can deal with even the worst scenario, it wont feel so much fear anymore.
6- Practice: practice every day starting with the little things that you find scary or stressful. Role play as often as you can. Make it as real as you can. Practice in front of a mirror and see how well you do it.

Only when all the above fail, that you should consider taking any medication or chemical for the anxiety. Even then, go back and try the steps once more.

Shoot me a PM and we can talk more specifically about your particular case if you wish. You do not have to live with anxiety.


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Reply #7 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 12:22am
 
what Annette said...

+ take deep soothing breaths and think good thoughts. Baby steps will do it.

+ plus picture everyone in the room naked.

if that don't work picture chuck in a thong



You can and will get over this.

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Reply #8 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 12:41am
 
Getting out as often as possible and doing something a little physical is what worked for me.

Getting old now and it takes more to get me down.

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Reply #9 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 1:02am
 
Kev, can you take melatonin at night? It will help you sleep, and may be feel more relaxed during the day. Stay away from the caffeine, and if you absolutely don't think you can get through the meeting, call your doc, and ask for a few anti-anxiety pills. You only need a couple, and try taking half of one a day or two before the meeting, so you know what to expect.

While the suggestions for deep breathing and other things are well and good, it takes time to use the different techniques and for them to become effective. Using a xanax, or klonopin (clonazepam) to get you through your meeting may be a better option.  Or, if you can, go for a fast walk before your meeting, so you have worked off some energy. It will calm you and help you to think clearly.

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Anxiety is the end result of what your mind perceives to be unsurmountable danger. It is caused by fear. Anxiety is nothing but an emotion created by thoughts in your mind. Often it is only experienced in passing then the reasoning mind regains control.

The difficulty comes when it is allowed to take a life of its own such that the body starts to respond to those thoughts by producing and releasing hormones and chemicals, which in turn cause physical reactions such as increased heart rate, breathing rate, muscle tension, sweating and so on.

The physical reactions will then reinforce those fearful thoughts causing an endless vicious cycle, completely locking you into the terrible realm of a panic attack. By then the reasoning mind ( the cerebrals ) have lost total control.

Anxiety peaks when it is unknown fear. Ironically, most unknown fear is also unfound fear. Your mind imagines something terrible that is going to happen in the future. Since it is unknown, unreal , imagined ... the brain can not figure out how to deal with it. Fearful thoughts start to form and anxiety starts to build.

We are all much more fearful of the unknown than of the known. No matter how terrible the danger is, once we know what it is, the brain then can focus on how to deal with the danger in a practical way instead of focussing on the fear itself. Have you ever noticed when watching a horror movie, we feel the most fear when the monster is lurking but cant be seen ? Quite often, when the monster finally shows itself, we actually feel a sense of relief.

The best way to deal with anxiety is to shift the focus from the unknown fear to how the body is reacting. The minute you recognise your heart pounding and your breathing heavy, focus totally on relaxing the physical body. Go completely inwards instead of outwards. Deep breathing meditation, conscious muscles relaxation, mind distraction,etc work well here.

The worst way to deal with anxiety is to use medication or any type of chemicals. Doing so and you are telling your brain that you have absolutely no control over your mind and body, and that you need something else outside of you to do it for you. Repeating the process a few times and your brain learns to become dependent on the substance, the first step towards addiction. Medication can work very well to calm the mind and the body, in the short term. In the long term, it makes it worse. When you dont have access to the medication, the fear and the anxiety will double, because now it has to deal with an extra fear : the fear that you have absolutely no control at all and the one thing that can help you is not available. That is actually worse than whatever it is you fear in the first place.

People who need medication do so because they seek help too late. They do not know how to deal with fear and anxiety but they try to by themselves when things first start to go wrong. They put up with it, put up with it, try various but ineffective methods ... for as long as they could. Usually by the time they seek professional help, their anxiety has already reached the uncontrollable stage that the doctor has no other choice but give them a prescription.

Anxiety can be overcome by :

1- Awareness 1: be aware that anxiety does not kill you, it is nothing but a thought in your mind and it can be controlled.
2- Awareness 2: be aware that the symptoms of anxiety ( such as heart palpitation, hyperventilation ) do not kill you, wont make you faint and wont cause you to totally loose control, they can be stopped or reduced by refocussing and by relaxation techniques.
3- Meditation : Meditation doesnt mean you have to be calm enough to sit cross legged and be quiet. Meditation can be in the way that you consciously slow down your breathing, close your eyes and take deeper breaths, distract yourself with a cold drink or cold water on your face, taking a walk or even start singing ...
4- Self analysing : When the wave of anxiety passes, go over the whole scenery to analyse what triggered it, how did you respond, what helped and what did not help ie psychotherapy yourself.
5- Work through the worst scenario: go past the imagined scene of fear and see for yourself what is really the worst worst thing that can happen to you, work through it, devise an action plan. Once your brain learns that it can deal with even the worst scenario, it wont feel so much fear anymore.
6- Practice: practice every day starting with the little things that you find scary or stressful. Role play as often as you can. Make it as real as you can. Practice in front of a mirror and see how well you do it.

Only when all the above fail, that you should consider taking any medication or chemical for the anxiety. Even then, go back and try the steps once more.

Shoot me a PM and we can talk more specifically about your particular case if you wish. You do not have to live with anxiety.




I am sorry, but this is pure quackery.  Did you come up with this on your own or are you borrowing this from someone else?  Regardless, you would be wrong in leading people to believe that anxiety or an anxiety disorder is something that should not be treated with medication 'across the board.'  There are too many different types of anxiety causing situations/ailments to make such a bold and arrogant statement. Albeit, there might be actual scenarios that a person could benefit from some of what you suggest, but you describe like a cure all; in which, I believe to be an erroneous action on your part.  If we were to buy into your "control your mind" mumbo jumbo, should we also believe that we should not need medication to treat our CH hits...

I have to wonder if you even suffer from CH...

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Reply #11 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 6:57am
 
Thomas, I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks and what Annsie stated is fact and clinical.  My dr tried to take me that route.  As I stated I got some relief from it but just not enough.  So I needed the meds.  Ansie knows what she is talking about dont be so quick to judge.  What does anxiety have to do with ch?  That was pretty harsh statement judging wether she has ch or not.
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Reply #12 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 7:00am
 
I have read differently of the subject.  Rollo May's doctoral dissertation, The Meaning of Anxiety, viably important, receiving the first PhD in clinical pyschology Columbia University ever awarded.  The book has a revised edition in 1996.  Excellent writer, Of Love and Will and especially The Courage to Create influencial.
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Reply #13 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 7:03am
 
There's good reason why at a Catholic Mass the priest will complete the part of the Lord's Prayer, "“Deliver us from every evil ... and protect us from all anxiety.”

When I was suffering from overwhelming anxiety I found this passage to be a gateway for some peace for me. It told me that anxiety is universal and I am not somehow failing if, at times, I struggled with managing the anxieties I felt.

Therapist was a good help too. Hang in there Kev.
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Reply #14 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 7:10am
 
Thomas,

I think that the write up by Annsie is excellent.

The point was made that medications are required once the emotions are out of control. Most of what was written is a series of approaches for keeping the negative emotions from getting to the level requiring medication.

While some feel that medications are the immediate answer to everything, there are times when it can be avoided.  That obviously doesn’t mean everyone, every time - and I didn’t see any claims about CH’s in there………

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Reply #15 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 7:15am
 
An old, but wonderful book that has helped me tremendously is called "Hope and Help for your Nerves" by Dr. Claire Weeks. 

I also take Taurine (1 850mg pill each night before bed), which was surprisingly helpful in almost eliminating my anxiety.  It took a little less than a week for it to have an effect.

I've tried Passionflower also and that too works for me.

I found that educating myself as much as possible on how anxiety works and have gained tools from the above book to learn how to cope.

Also, this quote from Eckert Tolle: "Life isn't as serious as my mind makes it out to be." Wink

Hang in there Kev, it's going to be alright.
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Reply #16 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 7:25am
 
So, Thomas, you're calling a medical doctor a quack? Sounds like a violation of the code of conduct to me.

And no, she's not a sufferer - she's a supporter.

Get your ducks in a row before you pull out the big guns.
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Melissa wrote on Feb 23rd, 2009 at 7:15am:
I found that educating myself as much as possible on how anxiety works and have gained tools from the above book to learn how to cope.


I believe understanding what it is to be important, too.    Smiley
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Reply #18 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 8:21am
 
Actually, sometimes the reverse treatment is needed (and this depends on how quickly the attacks need to be controlled).  Control the anxiety/panic attacks first and then work on the reasons behind them and work toward finding a way to work through the situation.

Inderal is an old standby for panic/anxiety attacks.  BUT, it can leave you feeling really lethargic if the dosages aren't tweaked and monitered carefully (although it will not make you sleepy).

It's extremely difficult to control the physical reactions when you don't know what's causing them.  That can take time and quite a bit of work on your part.
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Reply #19 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 8:21am
 
I cannot argue with Brew's point, Thomas.  Discounting in that fashion with Annette's supporting attempts to be of assistance isn't objectoinably suited to remarks.
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while its all well and good to practice breathing exercises and tell myself that its "all in my head",  when I wake at 3 am with a full-on panic attack,  no amount of looking inward is going to help at that point.

I've always (and still do) respect your opinions and advise Annsie, but this time I disagree.

Months and months of anxiety built up and as much as I tried to calm down, things just got worse.  I am GRATEFUL for the lorazepam the doc put me on for the attacks.  Do I look to them as my sole solution?  No.  Do I take them at each attack?  No.   But I sure as hell am glad that I have something to help when everything in me is completely out of control and I can't stop shaking, my heart feels like its flying around inside my chest, I can't breath, sweating, and I'm stuck somewhere between vomitting and screaming.

That pill is NOT the worst way for me to handle it. The worst way would be to jump off a building- and yeah, I really did think of doing that.
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Reply #21 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 8:53am
 

I feel I need to clarify a bit here. What I wrote above was in respond to the OP made by Kev.

According to what Kev said, he is not normally an anxious person, he had not experienced anxiety and/or panic attack before. What he is feeling is something new to him. The symptoms tell us that its anxiety, building up to ( but not yet as ) a panic attack.

The major trigger for Kev is being the centre of attention ( a form of social phobia ) therefore the anticipation of the upcoming meeting is causing him to experience the feelings of anxiety.

Since he has not developed full blown anxiety disorder, and the major trigger is several days away, there may be enough time for him to learn and practice various techniques to help reducing the symptoms and hopefully able to deal with it without having to take medication. Its definitely worth a try.

I did say that should the techniques fail, he can then take medication, bearing in mind that it should only be short term, and that it helps to  still keep practising the techniques anyway.

For people who have suffered anxiety and panic attack for a long time, and been actually diagnosed as having a medical condition, the treatment has to be both medication ( when appropriate ) and cognitive therapy. Often they would have had the condition for many years, sometimes from a young age. Its too hard to use relaxation techniques alone.

The two scenarios are different and the approach should be different.

If a patient who only recently develops some symptoms of anxiety sees a doctor for help and that doctor immediately whips out his/her prescription pad and prescribes xanax or klonopin, as the first or only treatment, without at least trying to explain what anxiety is and how to deal with it the natural ways, that doc is indeed a quack.
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Reply #22 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 8:56am
 
I too carry a script for lorazepam for the really super bad ones.  Good thing is that it's a script from 2007 that I didn't need to get refilled.  I had broke them all in half and still have about 15 halves left, lol.

Sometimes it's necessary to get medicated first in order to slow the brain down so thinking can become more clear. Wink
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Melissa wrote on Feb 23rd, 2009 at 7:15am:
I also take Taurine (1 850mg pill each night before bed), which was surprisingly helpful in almost eliminating my anxiety.  It took a little less than a week for it to have an effect.


I shoulda mentioned taurine - helps me too. It turns down excess activity of the sympathetic nervous system. And it doesn't dull me at all. I take 2-3 grams in my morning coffee, 2-3 grams at night when I get home.

I don't agree with many of the points that Annsie made.  Anxiety is both physical and psychological.

In Kevmd's case, I would agree that it makes sense to emphasize the cognitive aspects because there is a psychological trigger (being in front of groups, public speaking, etc).  But taking something physical (medicine, supplements, herbs) to deal with this does not necessarily signal defeat or helplessness - it can be a rational response. There is a psychological trigger to social anxiety, but I think that an underlying mechanism in the brain is out of whack - sometimes a change in thinking is enough to get things back to ideal, sometimes it is not enough.

Few people would suggest that OCD, depression, or other conditions should only be dealt with using cognitive approaches ... we know that there are chemical issues at play. The same is true of anxiety and panic disorders.

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