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Reply #50 - Feb 24th, 2009 at 9:22am
 
Annsie.
You are painting with a very broad brush here without knowing all the facts.  We did have a lengthy discourse on what had caused me to become so anxious at that point in my life.  There were mitigating factors and the situation had to be controlled at that moment, because *I* was starting to lose control, time was a factor.  The anxiety was not caused by the PTSD (source of flashbacks),, but rather the reverse.

I've had PTSD for over 30 years now and I deal with it quite well unless something triggers it and even then, 99% of the time I am well able to control it and the flashbacks.  Never received meds for it, nor do I want them.

Explain to me why this was happening?  Uhm, I know how these symptoms come about and why they occur.  Years of being a counselor taught me that.  I might add, that this doctor has known/treated me for over 10 years, so he knew enough of my background to realize that I was describing an *acute* occurance that I couldn't handle at that point in time, therapy takes time, I didn't have *time* to get my control back, I had to get it right then, not tomorrow, not next week, not next month, but right then.

Let me give an example here.  Normally, outside stressors really dont' bother me very much, I can handle them without much effort.  However, when life starts throwing too many curve balls at once, the balance is gone. 

A visual representation of this would be a person standing in a group of people.  These people have bean bags that they are throwing at the person in the center, starting out with one person throwing the bag.  Okay, easily deflected when the first one is thrown.  Second person joins in, still not too difficult to deflect the bags.  A third person joins in and deflecting the bean bags get more difficult.  All of a sudden the whole group starts throwing bean bags.  No way to deflect them all.  Most people will either try to get out of the circle (flight) or become aggressive by throwing the bean bags back (fight).

When I went to the doc, that was me in the circle and flight would have been my reaction.  I was under extreme stress, most of which I had no control over and could not just *get rid of it*.  I was in an acute phase of anxiety.  Given that, meds were the answser at that point.

You are making judgements without knowing the whole story.
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Reply #51 - Feb 24th, 2009 at 3:19pm
 

Then why did you say " I'll make sure I tell my doctor he is a quack ? " and quoted me ?

I only call a doctor a quack if he prescribes benzo to a first time patient with anxiety without an adequate consultation. I was not talking about a patient with a chronic or long term anxiety problem who has already known what it is and learnt how to deal with it. Please read what you quoted and what you posted below. It was you who did not give the whole story and who twisted what I said into meaning something I did not.

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deltadarlin wrote on Feb 23rd, 2009 at 5:40pm:
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If a patient who only recently develops some symptoms of anxiety sees a doctor for help and that doctor immediately whips out his/her prescription pad and prescribes xanax or klonopin, as the first or only treatment, without at least trying to explain what anxiety is and how to deal with it the natural ways, that doc is indeed a quack.


I'll make sure to tell my doctor that he is a quack, given that I went to see him a few weeks ago because I was developing severe anxiety issues (crop up with PTSD and flashbacks-none of which he knows about) and he wrote me a script for 15 5 mg. valium to help me get things back under control and Wellbutrin for the longer term.  Long term I can deal with my issues, it's the short term that I needed to get back under control.






I have said again and again what I have been posting here is in relation to Kev's OP, I am not talking about everyone else condition or situation. It is impossible to make a statement about something as complex as anxiety and make it relevant to everyone.

In Kev's case, he is a first timer who had not experienced anxiety before.

Please refrain from taking what I posted out of context by applying it to your own situation, which can be totally different , then say " hey, you are wrong ".

Its not a one size fits all.

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Reply #52 - Feb 24th, 2009 at 8:13pm
 
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deltadarlin wrote on Feb 23rd, 2009 at 5:40pm:
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If a patient who only recently develops some symptoms of anxiety sees a doctor for help and that doctor immediately whips out his/her prescription pad and prescribes xanax or klonopin, as the first or only treatment, without at least trying to explain what anxiety is and how to deal with it the natural ways, that doc is indeed a quack.


I'll make sure to tell my doctor that he is a quack, given that I went to see him a few weeks ago because I was developing severe anxiety issues (crop up with PTSD and flashbacks-none of which he knows about) and he wrote me a script for 15 5 mg. valium to help me get things back under control and Wellbutrin for the longer term.  Long term I can deal with my issues, it's the short term that I needed to get back under control.



Please correct me if I am wrong. So you went to see your doctor, you told him that for the first time in your life you experienced severe anxiety issues and your doctor did not bother to ask you anything of the history, the possible causes, the triggers .... he didnt bother to explain to you why and how these symptoms of severe anxiety have come about ... he didnt at least mention other methods of controlling the symptoms ... he just wrote you a script for Valium without knowing that you suffer from PTSD and are having flashbacks, and out the door you went ?

If that was what happened, then yes, your doctor is a quack in my opinion. I believe that many people here will agree with me.



How about this?  And I did NOT say that this was the first time in my life that I had experienced anxiety issues.
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Reply #53 - Feb 24th, 2009 at 10:06pm
 
wow....what a discussion.  IN the past couple days, I am trying to figure what is causing anxiety the minute I start to feel it.  So far, I have come up with money, messed up house, work,  economy,  being overwhelmed.  Now, that shit I can figure out how to deal with.  Its still the social anxiety that gets me worried.  I feel it slightly no matter who I am speaking to, except my 3yr old son...lol.  And here is something that I did not mention that has happened maybe 2-3 times.  I feel I get so nervouse about something, that i develop some kind of facial tick, causing me to look down as to not be noticed.  Friggin strange. 
I think now that I am talking about this freely now, it is helping a bit.
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Reply #54 - Feb 24th, 2009 at 10:12pm
 
Well, then you just have to pretend all those asshats in your meeting are 3-year-olds. If you do, they'll understand what you say more clearly, and you'll be as calm as can be.

One thing I tell people, when they're explaining something to me and they're either talking over my head or going a hundred miles an hour, is to explain it to me like I were a 3rd-grader. Works every time.

I know this isn't a cure to real anxiety, but sometimes playing games with yourself helps.
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Reply #55 - Feb 24th, 2009 at 10:21pm
 
I hear ya Brew.  I'm the same way!!
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Reply #56 - Feb 24th, 2009 at 10:32pm
 
Hey Kev,

As I said before in my previous post, relaxation techniques helped the child I know who was Dxed with a panic disorder.  I hope whatever route you chose to take in dealing with your anxiety, you are feeling better soon.

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Reply #57 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 3:01pm
 
What ever you do be sure you are treating the condition, not just masking the symptoms. Lisa was prescribed paxil for her asthma. It was decided that her asthma must be more panic attacks then real asthma because she wasn't responding to high doses of prednisone. She refused the prescription. Well it turned out that she has a severe allergy to any form of dairy. Once we got her off the dairy she improved greatly. In the meantime she started seeing a pyschologist that worked with biofeedback, breathing and relaxing techniques. This helped incrediby when an attack occured. These expereinces have helped her with CH as well, especially when using o2. It's so easy to give a drug. Consumer guide did a report last year that stated that for long term help, talk therapy is far more effective than drug therapy.  There's a place for both I think, just be sure what you are treating. Good luck!

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