Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
Clusterheadaches.com
 
Search box updated Dec 3, 2011... Search ch.com with Google!
  HomeHelpSearchLoginRegisterEvent CalendarBirthday List  
 





Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
NC judge remands homeschooled kids (Read 925 times)
notseinfeld
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Enough is Enough.    
   Vote Libertarian


Posts: 789
x1|Atlanta|USA|usa|425|226|GA,Georgia
Gender: male
NC judge remands homeschooled kids
Mar 12th, 2009 at 1:05pm
 
Back to public education for you! While the kids have tested out 2 years above their government school peers (only two?) a divorce court judge wants to send them for public education and has this understatement of the year quote:

On her website, family friend Robyn Williams said Mangum stated his decision was not ideologically or religiously motivated but that ordering the children into public schools would "challenge the ideas you've taught them."

I'll say!

Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

Parents are in charge of and responsible for the education and well being of their children, not the f'n STATE!
Back to top
  

Democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
WWW krilldocument  
IP Logged
 
catlind
CH.com Moderator
CH.com Alumnus
*****
Offline


Surf's Up!


Posts: 4536
Weaverville NC
Gender: female
Re: NC judge remands homeschooled kids
Reply #1 - Mar 12th, 2009 at 1:13pm
 
This from a state who has at least one county where 5 absences in any given class (high school) results in an automatic F, excused or otherwise - a Dr's note and legitimate absence does not change the 5 day policy.  (although a rather opinionated, mouthy and angry mother got the point through...)

Roll Eyes

What a sad state of affairs when the government, courts and outside influences are who/what dictate a child's education, and the parents are told what they can and can't do.  *sigh*

Cat
Back to top
  

A true friend is someone who reaches for your hand and touches your heart.

If yer gonna be stupid, ya gotta be tough

Who is John Galt?
catlind catlind68 or kadiya68 660506913 kadiya68 kadiya68  
IP Logged
 
Marc
Ex Member
****




Gender: male
Re: NC judge remands homeschooled kids
Reply #2 - Mar 12th, 2009 at 1:41pm
 
And I'm afraid that it is going to get worse.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
catlind
CH.com Moderator
CH.com Alumnus
*****
Offline


Surf's Up!


Posts: 4536
Weaverville NC
Gender: female
Re: NC judge remands homeschooled kids
Reply #3 - Mar 12th, 2009 at 1:55pm
 
The sad thing in this Marc, is that you are probably right.  Parents need to stand up and get involved and active in their childrens' education again.  From experience, I know that can be a deciding factor in how things play out. 

Parents aren't helpless unless they choose to be.  There are always other options available, although many require a fair amount of effort on the part of the parent.  As in the case above, if I were that mother, the public schools would be begging the judge to reverse the ruling, because I'd be in the classroom every single day - and because it's a public school, funded out of a taxpayers pocket, the school can't tell you no.  At least they haven't been able to in at least 3 states so far, they've tried, and quickly found out that it's unwise to cross some parents;  some of us actually follow the education laws and local school boards, and know very well what is within our rights.

I'm still trying to figure out when parents handed over the reins to someone else to take responsibility for kids education.  It'll be a cold day when I let ANYONE else tell me what is best for my kids and their education.

Geez, we've only been in NC 7.5 months and I've already gotten into 4 different scuffles with the schools here, and won every one of them.  A little effort and active participation from parents, and the schools will fall over themselves to accommodate you and work with you - especially if it's done truly intending the best opportunity for success of the kids.  The ultimate goal is to have children well educated and prepared for the real world - not a bunch of conformists that all do as they are told for no other reason than because they were told, and never learning how use critical thinking skills.
Back to top
  

A true friend is someone who reaches for your hand and touches your heart.

If yer gonna be stupid, ya gotta be tough

Who is John Galt?
catlind catlind68 or kadiya68 660506913 kadiya68 kadiya68  
IP Logged
 
Mosaicwench
CH.com Sponsor
***
Offline


www.mosaicwench.com


Posts: 3507
Near Milwaukee WI, USA
Gender: female
Re: NC judge remands homeschooled kids
Reply #4 - Mar 12th, 2009 at 2:14pm
 
One of the proudest days of my life was when I realized our district superintendent would no longer take my calls.

I had challenged him and hounded him and badgered him about the dismal state of education in our district.  I had given him multiple solutions to the problems, none of which cost anything more than shuffling some teachers and aids and curriculum to different buildings, but he gave up.

That's when my kid became schooled at home.  He's still in public school, it's just not a brick and mortar school.
Back to top
  

“Be regular and orderly in your life, so that you may be violent and original in your work.”
~Flaubert
WWW http://www.facebook.com/home.php?id=1240423960&ref Mosaicwench  
IP Logged
 
Paul98
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


What, it's all in my head?


Posts: 2532
Clyde, NY  USA
Gender: male
Re: NC judge remands homeschooled kids
Reply #5 - Mar 12th, 2009 at 2:17pm
 
Marc wrote on Mar 12th, 2009 at 1:41pm:
And I'm afraid that it is going to get worse.


Isn't that the truth!  As long as the courts are packed with people that side with "government is all" and they legislate from the bench w are in dire straits.

Individuals and parents have to take responsibility for themselves and their families and tell the lawmakers enough is enough.  I'm afraid as long as the government hands out $$ like pushers hand out the first "fix" we are in a downward spiral of a free society.

-P.
Back to top
  

Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register[img name=signat_img_resize]http://thumb15.web
Paul98 pjl98  
IP Logged
 
Callico
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Author of "Stranded at
Romson's Lodge


Posts: 4916
Aurora IL
Gender: male
Re: NC judge remands homeschooled kids
Reply #6 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 12:53am
 
I hope she will contact Home School Legal Defense.  It is a great organization that does nothing but defend and support home schoolers who abide by the law.

Jerry
Back to top
  

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of dung by the clean end." Texas A&M Student (unknown)
Jerry Callison  
IP Logged
 
BarbaraD
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


Hugs to ya


Posts: 8333
Douglasville, TX
Gender: female
Re: NC judge remands homeschooled kids
Reply #7 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 5:58am
 
But what ya'll aren't understanding is... for every ONE parent who is concerned there are 100 (or more) who aren't. To me that's the crime here....

We pay taxes to our school districts whether we have kids in the schools or not (for us older people and those without kids pay taxes too) but the school board meetings are VERY SELDOM attended by the public although they are OPEN meetings. THAT'S where it starts, yet parents don't want to get INVOLVED so they just don't attend.

We don't know how our tax money is being spent in our local schools because we don't attend school board meetings, we don't ASK so we don't know.... it's OUR fault as well as the teachers and the government because we LET it be.

Things can't be changed overnight, but if you start on the local level with the local school boards things can be changed - hell, I've done it when my child was in school - but you have to attend the meetings, and you have to speak up - and you gotta be ready to get talked down to and let 'em insult you, etc. Then you write it up for the local newspapers and all hell breaks lose and you get something done. And don't expect to get a lot of help from "other" parents cause they don't like to get involved, but after several months of "abuse" you CAN get things changed on the local level - I've done it!! THEN you get support from other parents who think your ideas are just great and were behind you all along (yeah right!).

My suggestion is to start on the local levels and get some older folks behind you. Behind that gray hair you might find some support you need (and some experience from years past). Work UP from there.

Hugs BD
Back to top
  

What don't kill ya, Makes ya stronger!
 
IP Logged
 
monty
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline




Posts: 1056
The Swamp, Florida
Re: NC judge remands homeschooled kids
Reply #8 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 8:13am
 
notseinfeld wrote on Mar 12th, 2009 at 1:05pm:
Parents are in charge of and responsible for the education and well being of their children, not the f'n STATE!


The only reason a judge decided is that the parents could not agree. When the father took the disagreement to court, it was no longer an issue where the family could make the decisions themselves.  This is true in all divorce/custody cases that are disputed and go to court.

I don't see it as that different from not having a will - if you don't, when you die, your estate gets tied up in probate and the court has to decide who inherits any money left over after the bills are paid.  If you don't want the court to decide, you have to have a valid will.  Its not that the court wants to take over your estate and determine the split of money between all your ex-wives and kids and favorite charities... the courts step in as decision maker of last resort when structures like families and corporations fail, or when there are not valid contracts to enforce.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Mar 13th, 2009 at 9:29am by monty »  

The outer boundary of what we currently believe is feasible is far short of what we actually must do.
 
IP Logged
 
M.R.
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline




Posts: 598
Grand Rapids, Mi.
Gender: male
Re: NC judge remands homeschooled kids
Reply #9 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 6:56pm
 
Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

Ya, Ya...it's Fox news. So bite me.

Mike
Back to top
  

"Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government." --James Madison

James Taranto  ” [D]o you know what they call people who rely on themselves? Adults."

Thomas Jefferson, "Bind [them] down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."
kasper4157  
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print

DISCLAIMER: All information contained on this web site is for informational purposes only.  It is in no way intended to be used as a replacement for professional medical treatment.   clusterheadaches.com makes no claims as to the scientific/clinical validity of the information on this site OR to that of the information linked to from this site.  All information taken from the internet should be discussed with a medical professional!