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Apr 8th, 2009 at 10:49am
 
Hi everybody,

I'm a new member from America, probably the only one ever who has been relieved to get a diagnosis of CH. I've got the incredible pain (especially in/behind the right eye), the repeated hits, tearing right eye, runny nose (right side only), the whole nine yards. I hate it, I hate it. But having the diagnosis is great, and I am largely oxygen responsive, which has been a revelation. Oddly, I feel a little lucky.

Because I'm twenty-something and female--and possibly because I had an incompetent doctor who didn't believe the extent of my pain, and maybe because I don't have good enough health insurance here in the USA to cover the kinds of repeated trips to the doctor and insistence for treatment that I should have done--it took an unbearably long time to give me a proper diagnosis. In the meantime I was told to take aspirin, given antibiotics for "sinus headaches," relaxants for "tension headaches," told they were migraines, told they were menstrual headaches that were cyclical (which they aren't and evidently weren't at the time! I can tell when my head is KILLING ME every DAY!)--and obviously none of this helped. It was only in the ER last weekend that an intelligent man gave me oxygen and asked me to rehash my history of headaches, comprising what he recognized as a full cycle almost a year ago and then two days and two ER visits of headaches this time around. I had never heard of cluster headaches before, but suddenly on talking about symptoms things snapped into place. Now I'm on day five and it is hateful but at least I have my oxygen and it makes a HUGE difference. The ER nurse also recommended a different doctor.

My main question is more practical than anything else. The last time I had these I was young and unemployed, with some money in the bank having quit a job just before. I moved in with my parents and suffered through while trying to come up with treatments that worked. The cycle lasted about eight weeks (I did keep a headache diary) but when it ended I thought these headaches were gone for good. Though I didn't believe it at the time, I eventually convinced myself that it had been a sinus infection and that the antibiotics had worked.

Now that they're back, and responsive to CH treatments (also to Imotrex, though the oxygen itself works wonders), I'm very, very depressed when I think about a future that includes recurring bouts for--well, forever. I have gone back to school and am a graduate student at a good university, but I just can't figure out what kind of a job gives people the flexibility to manage these awful things when they are in-cycle. What kinds of jobs do you have? I feel like I'm going to become a hermit again, as I basically did a year ago in between doctors' visits. I don't know what to do.

Also, and this is a real concern for me, I need a job that would come with good health insurance. Working for myself and most part-time jobs seem insufficient that way. I'm kind of despairing over having any kind of future that is bearable. What kind of lives do sufferers end up leading? I am okay with oxygen, but right now I'm almost afraid to go out for fear of not having my oxygen nearby when things start up again. I feel like after only a few days the headaches are changing me, the way I act, maybe even the way I think, even when NOT in pain.

I'm sorry if this is a bit desperate. The headaches are bad, but they were okay when I thought they might end. Now that they're back I just don't know what to do. It is helpful to find a community online, however. So I'm glad you're all around.
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Reply #1 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 11:08am
 
Hi There
Unfortunately I cannot answer your question regarding the best employment to have being a CH sufferer - however I can tell you that both my husband (who has CH) and I were also relieved to have a definite diagnosis for the headaches. I think it is the frustration of not knowing that is the worst. So I do understand your relief.

Now we know so now we can move forward. Unfortunately my husband is unemployed at the moment and although companies here in UK are not allowed to turn you away because of any disability you may have as long as you are capable of doing the work - he knows it is going to be a long road to travel before he finds a company that will understand, especially now!

Take care and best wishes
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Reply #2 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 12:23pm
 
Welcome to the insane asylum site!  I am glad that you found us.

First of all, what job do we have?  Just about every job that is out there, we have.  Your limits are only the ones that YOU impose on yourself.

Now, having said that, I must back up, and say that luck plays into the picture, too.  You need to have a boss that is understanding and can accept working with you, when you are in cycle.  But if you perform well, and are an outstanding employee, normally, that will take you a long way, with the boss, and make him/her more receptive to working with you.

I am glad that you have found a good, reliable, cheap, and safe abortive, in oxygen.  That is GREAT.  Now you have to find a doctor, preferably a neuro who is well versed in cluster headaches, to work with you in finding the preventative that will keep you out of pain, while you are in cycle.

One of the most popular, and effective is prednesone and verapamil.  The prednesone is taken in what they call a taper pack.  What that is, is you start with a very high dose, that you take for a few days, and then you gradually taper down, until you are off them.  

You start the verapamil at the same time as you start the prednesone.  The reasons for these two, is that verapamil takes 10 to 14 days to get effective in your system.  The prednesone usually starts to work right away.  But prednesone is dangerous to take for any length of time.  So you start both, and by the time the pred taper is done, the verapamil should be taking over the preventative qualities that you need.

I hope this helps!

Keep us informed, and ask all the questions that you want.  We want to help!

Chuck
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Reply #3 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 12:33pm
 
You leanr to kick the beasts a$$ every danged time he rears his ugly head! Wink

I've been a cop for 29 years, we have professionals, construction workers, computer geeks...we pretty well run the gamut of careers. You CAN make it work. No question the beast tries to have an affect on every aspect of your life, don't let him. All the treatments you've discussed so far are what we call abortives. They stop an attack once it starts, and they're damned important! You need to explore some of the preventatives available.

A preventative is a med you take while on cycle, that reduces the number and frequency of your attacks. I use lithium at 1200 mg a day while on cycle. Don't let the hollywood portrayal of lithium making you into a mouth breathing comatose patient fool you. I continue to work while on lithium and nobody can tell I'm taking it. It blocks 70-80% of my attacks. Oxygen handles most of the rest.

Verapamil and topomax are 2 other common preventatives many find effective. As far as toting oxygen with you...those cute folding soccer chairs the soccer mom's tote everywhere with them? The bags those fit in are the perfect size to cart your e-tank around in. I ALWAYS have an e-tank within arms reach...or at least in my cruisers trunk...when I'm on cycle.

Mostly, it's an attitude thing. Don't let CH determine WHO you are, it's an inconvenient pain in the a$$...no question....but it's only a very small part of who you are.  Educate yourself on treatments available to you, take a pro active approach to doing battle with the beast, enjoy your pain free times and always be ready to do battle with him!

Welcome home. Wink

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Reply #4 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 1:05pm
 
Hi and welcome home. 

I couldn't agree more with the words of wizdom above.  But I'll add my two cents anyway  Wink

CH hasn't kept me from doing anything I want.  I'm a software engineer and father of 10 kids.  Everyone at work knows what I deal with.  My bosses are very understanding.

I use O2 at work and keep an e-tank in my cube and one in the car.  It is always close by.  My coworkers know that if they here the clank of the regulator and the hiss of O2 that I'm dealing with it and I'll be back working again in short order.  No one bats an eye.

I also use Verapamil as a prevent.  So the roughest time is the first couple weeks of a cycle till the Verapamil is ramped up. 

Work hard.  Work smart.  The rest will take care of itself.

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Reply #5 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 1:33pm
 
Hi skim,

I am 29 - live in California - was also relieved for the diagnosis... I thought 'this is NOT a migraine - What in the world is Wrong with me???'  I am also new to this site, and only have had 3 cluster episodes since Oct. 08.  I am trying - HA Trying to finish my BA degree now - since 02 actually.  The little neurological issues get in the way ha.  I have been working as a Financial Analyst - my supervisor has been Very understanding when I leave mid-day, call in in the am (or don't... sometimes it is not possible to give pre-notice ha), etc.  
SO - I work FT and have been trying to do school FT - but my goal is to finish my BA and Masters to teach High School.  I will do this!  
My question for you - what is your major?  What are your interests?  THese will not change - even with your clusters.  They will, in fact, keep you motivated.  Wink  Living life as best I can is my goal.  It will be lived, and the depression sets in when the sight of the goal is lost in the shuffle.  I try not to let my sights get deterred.  It is VERY hard sometimes.   Shocked  Especially right now for me.  I just started Prednasone and Verapamil - have been on Topamax for two years and my doc said not to drop it - so two preventatives, a steroid to kick the cluster to the curb, abortives with side affects galore.  UGH.  I am cancelling postponing my graduation in May - maybe Dec now?  Too much sometimes, but hang in there - I know I will!   Cheesy

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Reply #6 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 1:44pm
 
STOP! x3 and start over again. You're looking into the future, trying to know what your CH will be like, can you work, and where, etc. All these are questions which no one can answer but which, when asked over and over again, only serve to arouse anxiety and can lead to despair.

Learning how to care for yourself is the first task. When that is done well, you will understand HOW to care for yourself and what, if any limitations you may have. THEN you deal with those issues--but not before they develop.

Read and consider; build the concepts into your thinking until they become automatic. It works.
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Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Reply #7 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 1:48pm
 
Hi skim,

I work with Autistic children with behaviours that challenge. Sometimes a 12hr shift with shadows can seem like an eternity but you get by. Sometime sick periods are inevitable but as long as you work hard and be upfront about your condition then the world is your oyster...!

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Reply #8 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 4:10pm
 
Hi again everybody. I just wanted to thank you all for your encouraging feedback. I'm especially thankful for everybody who talked a little about preventatives. I had been given indomethacin in the ER, but in the last two days the doctor switched it to verapamil. Anyway, we'll see how it goes.

So pleased to see police officers, software engineers, financiers... I was perhaps not in the best state when I first wrote in but I'm feeling much more encouraged. My best to you all.

P.S. to Val--I study economic and financial history. Good luck to you with your own academic journey!
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Reply #9 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 8:35pm
 
We all get down in the dumps...the danged things suck! Glad you're comng out the other side of the tunnel! Smiley

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Reply #10 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 9:40pm
 
I don't have much to add about treatment except welcome!  And, you can and will manage to live with the beast.  Between the preventatives, the abortives, and a sense of control that comes when you find what works for you, you will be able to note that YOU are in charge of the attitude and direction of your life!

I am a self-employed family clinician who is also in graduate school.  I have had to cancel a couple of client appointments for the first time in 18 years of the beast, however that is when I found this site and started with the O2 and the energy drinks and the melatonin!  Read and learn, experiment, and enjoy the PF times!  May you have many of those!!!!
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