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Apr 8th, 2009 at 2:24pm  
The nanny state just never stops with its intrusions.

BOSTON —  Massachusetts health officials have approved regulations that would require sending children's Body Mass Index measurements home to parents.

The Public Health Council voted unanimously Wednesday to calculate student heights and weights, which are already measured annually, into a Body Mass Index measuring their overall proportions.

The results will be sent home to parents for students in first, fourth, seventh and 10th grades in a package explaining what they mean and how parents can best combat obesity.

Department of Public Health Medical Director Lauren Smith says Massachusetts will join Arkansas in notifying parents about a child's Body Mass Index. Eighteen other states require a BMI calculation.

The new regulations will be phased into schools over the next 18 months.
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Reply #1 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 2:52pm  
WOW!! And I thought California was intrusive! Now we have the "fat kids" police!!!! Grin
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Reply #2 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 2:57pm  
Wonder if them there fat kid coppers 'll have to give up donuts??


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Reply #3 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 2:59pm  
Tongue so there.........
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Reply #4 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 3:21pm  
I don't see any problems.  A century ago, there were campaigns to weigh and measure the height of kids.  Those who were way under 'normal' got further scrutiny - maybe a medical condition was brought to light, maybe there was neglect or abuse.  Now the most common problem is just the opposite - massively overweight kids developing 'adult onset' diabetes at age 12.

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What really terrifies me is that first, the government will make every one wear seat belts, and once the people submit to that, we will all be forced into driving on the same side of the street!
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Reply #5 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 3:48pm  
You thought it was bad when they raised the drinking age. Now a person can serve his or her country, get wounded, possibly die, but god forbid we should let them have a drink.

Then they banned smoking in all sorts of places - including establishments on private property that allowed the smoking of tobacco. A legal product (on which much tax was being paid) being consumed on private property.

Then they banned foods containing trans fats because they were bad for your health.

Next they're coming for your cheeseburgers. Then your guns.

Where does it end? They keep taking one thing at a time. Will it be peanuts next? There are already peanut-free sections of ballparks. Will it be gluten? Will it be bacon? There's really no health benefit to eating bacon.

Dear Government - get the f*ck out of my home, my pocket, my kitchen. Whoever thinks this sh*t advances the cause of liberty can take a flying....

Sorry - I got a little worked up.
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Reply #6 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 3:58pm  
Oh Dear Lord!!!!   Pleeeeeeeese NOT BACON!!!!! SmileyLOL!

Don't forget to wear your seat belt, or your helmet.   Also be sure to wrap your children in bubble wrap if they want to ride their bikes!

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Reply #7 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 5:12pm  
Not only is the government taking our rights, but has us training our kids to not know what it is like to live and make mistakes. We give them cell phones, we can track their phone with GPS we can track their driving.
When we are not tracking them the school system is tracking their weight. And making sure that no child is left behind.

Our children with not know freedom even if it were to smack then it the head.
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Dear Government - get the f*ck out of my home, my pocket, my kitchen. Whoever thinks this sh*t advances the cause of liberty can take a flying....


Brew, I like you more every day.  You get it!

BTW - will Mommy Government give me a bonus if I pay my mortgage on time?
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Reply #9 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 5:27pm  
Bob P wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 5:22pm:
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Dear Government - get the f*ck out of my home, my pocket, my kitchen. Whoever thinks this sh*t advances the cause of liberty can take a flying....


Brew, I like you more every day.  You get it!

BTW - will Mommy Government give me a bonus if I pay my mortgage on time?

I've always liked you, Bob. Wink
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Reply #10 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 5:56pm  
As with all slippery slope incremental government invasions, how long before X amount of weight over the limit constitutes abuse? I can envision a special section of DFACS whose primary purpose is just to ascertain whether the kids would be better off in state run facilities rather than their homes since that terrible 'abuse' is going on.

We've become a nation of sissies, blamers, and obtusely ignorant of our national birthrights as delineated in the Constitution. There seem to be no accidents anymore as there's always someone to blame for negligence when any clear thinking individual (gasp!) can plainly see otherwise. Victims here, wealth envy there.

Anyone remember what their parental response to "it's not fair!" was when bellowed from your pre-teen mouth?
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Reply #11 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 6:14pm  
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Anyone remember what their parental response to "it's not fair!" was when bellowed from your pre-teen mouth?


   When I was growing up, when I said that, dad would grab me by the shoulder, grab the shotgun, we would walk out back and he would shoot the dog. He would whip me around and scream, now I bet the dog didn't think that was fair either. Get over it. After the first 2 dogs, I never said that again.


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Reply #12 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 6:28pm  
Brew wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 3:48pm:
Dear Government - get the f*ck out of my home, my pocket, my kitchen.


And especially my BEDROOM!!!

Not that it is ANY of your business, Mr. Government Man, but it is consensual sex, and my partner is of legal age, and besides that, my pet rock LIKES to get fucked!  So leave me and my lover rock alone!

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notseinfeld wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 5:56pm:
Anyone remember what their parental response to "it's not fair!" was when bellowed from your pre-teen mouth?

Fair is a ball that lands between two white lines.

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Life ain't fair - get a helmet.
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notseinfeld wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 2:24pm:
would require sending children's Body Mass Index measurements home to parents.

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The results will be sent home to parents for students in first, fourth, seventh and 10th grades...



Four letters.  I got more letters than that sent home pinned to my shirt to be signed by my parents every two month during K through 1st grade about my behavioral evaluations.  The daily after dinner question of whether I stood in the corner that day was also of course an affirmative.  Yes, it got Dad involved more but the nanny state argument didn't occur to me before Dad sent me to go get the belt.


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WOW!! And I thought California was intrusive! Now we have the "fat kids" police!!!! 


look on the bright side Joe.   When you get too old to be chasing the bad guys down in the "hood" in San Diego ...you can join this part of the Police dept.  til you're ready to retire.  And NO....you can't give them the best locations for do-nuts.
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Reply #16 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 8:10pm  
notseinfeld wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 5:56pm:
As with all slippery slope incremental government invasions, how long before X amount of weight over the limit constitutes abuse? I can envision a special section of DFACS whose primary purpose is just to ascertain whether the kids would be better off in state run facilities rather than their homes since that terrible 'abuse' is going on.


I think we are a ways from that - unfortunately.  If a kid has terrible breathe and is missing teeth, and he tells the school nurse he never brushes his teeth or goes to a dentist, I would personally call that child neglect.  If mom and dad cave in to junior's demands for unlimited junk food and video games instead of healthy fare and exercise, then they are crappy parents.  If the situation gets to the point where junior weighs 300 pounds and is having health problems, then it is beyond merely bad parenting -  at that point, we really should call it neglect or abuse, and treat it as such.

I don't see 'crappy parenting that endangers the health of the child' as a protected right in the Constitution.  
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Reply #17 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 8:49pm  
The Constitution's main purpose is to restrict the power of the Federal Government, not protect the "rights" of crappy parents. If there's a 300-lb. kid with halitosis and half his teeth, that's the jurisdiction of social services, not the public education system.

Some would argue that the Constitution doesn't even allow for a Department of Education, let alone one that goes around pinching kids' hips and buttocks with a fatometer.
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Reply #18 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 8:50pm  
Not to worry. With working the fields before and after school, no electricity to play electronic games or watch TV, they will be fit in no time. 

If not, we will slather on to them some Baconnaise and eat them.

Yummy!

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stevegeebe wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 8:50pm:
Not to worry. With working the fields before and after school, no electricity to play electronic games or watch TV, they will be fit in no time.  

If not, we will slather on to them some Baconnaise and eat them.

Yummy!

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Reply #20 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 1:27am  
Brew wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 8:49pm:
The Constitution's main purpose is to restrict the power of the Federal Government, not protect the "rights" of crappy parents. If there's a 300-lb. kid with halitosis and half his teeth, that's the jurisdiction of social services, not the public education system.


I believe, most states try to have departments try to work hand in hand when it comes to caring for kids and families, and are essentially one and the same.  As it should be, anyone involved with the care of children is required by law to be a mandated reporter.  I don't see a problem with everyone looking out for a kids best interest. 
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Reply #21 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 4:02am  
Political discussion aside - I thought I'd give you some info on how schools use this info and how it aligns to a bigger picture.....

That testing is happenning all over the county in school systems. Texas and California are the front runners. 

  It is part of what is called Fitness Gram.  Think of the old presidential physical fitness stuff. Remember that... test you in sit ups, curls etc. , get a certificate and patch???   The fitnessgram testing is a ramped up 21st century initiative that now includes BMI scores, along with 1 mile run, curl ups, etc . 

All that testing is done by PE teachers and PE teachers look at the scores to inform them where they need to focus  their PE instruction-  what does the data tell us ? Where does my class have gaps?  What kinds of PE activities and excercise can I engage the kids in that is fun but also works on those areas that many of the kids are weaker in? 

With this kind of testing,  schools are required to send home the results to parents.   Its part of the process.

just thought I'd share this.

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Reply #22 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 7:04am  
Great Idea.  Now they can tax each pound your kid is overweight.

More money to pay off the TARP/STIM   bills.

BULLSHIT I say!

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The Constitution's main purpose is to restrict the power of the Federal Government, not protect the "rights" of crappy parents. If there's a 300-lb. kid with halitosis and half his teeth, that's the jurisdiction of social services, not the public education system.


I believe, most states try to have departments try to work hand in hand when it comes to caring for kids and families, and are essentially one and the same.  As it should be, anyone involved with the care of children is required by law to be a mandated reporter.  I don't see a problem with everyone looking out for a kids best interest.  

The only problem with that - and it's a HUGE one - is who determines the definition of "a kid's best interest." It's at the root of just about every custody case. If you're comfortable with the state stepping in and determining what's in your kid's best interest - superceding your right as a parent - then keep voting for the status quo.

Everywhere you turn, people are having less and less problem surrendering another piece of their liberty.
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Reply #24 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 8:00am  
mezza wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 4:02am:
Think of the old presidential physical fitness stuff. Remember that... test you in sit ups, curls etc. , get a certificate and patch???   The fitnessgram testing is a ramped up 21st century initiative that now includes BMI scores, along with 1 mile run, curl ups, etc .


Sure do.  Most memorable from JFK's administration, but apparently started by Ike.

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mezza wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 4:02am:
That testing is happenning all over the county in school systems. Texas and California are the front runners.


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