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Reply #25 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 8:12am
 
Um, can any of you ranters tell me how calculating a child's BMI and sending the info to parents has turned into an intrusion on a parent's constitutional rights?

Would that also apply to hearing and vision tests that schools often do?

If this were a story about a 150 lb 1st grader ... how many of you would rail against such horrible parents?

Get over yourselves, people. Obesity is becoming a huge (pun intended) problem in our society ... God forbid the schools should want to provide some information and education.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #26 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 8:59am
 
What are they going to do next in schools???

Test my kids in all sorts of subjects and send home reports on how they did?

Do subjective evaluations of my kids effort, attitude, and behavior and send those home with comments??

Give them a physical fitness test??

Check all the kids for lice and/or a curve of the spine and send home the results??  If they fail, are they going to need a doctor's note to return to school?

Folks, they are trying to use information to educate parents as to the status of their childs physical health.  since I have worked in education, I don't see any problem with educating parents.  Where I live, I have run into too many parents whose kids are smarter than they are at age 5 (me included).  This program might help some not so intelligent parents with the health concerns of their child.

Until the government decides to use this information to FORCE a parent to do something, whats the problem?
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Reply #27 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 10:03am
 
It's called allowing the schools to start to dig into and play around with a kid's medical record. What's so difficult to understand about medical records remaining private?

The public education system is no more responsible for a kid's health than they are for a kid's education. Those responsibilities fall squarely on the shoulders of the kid's parents.

All us "ranters" are trying to keep people aware of the fact that freedoms and privacy aren't lost in big chunks - they're eroded tiny bits at a time. If you are comfortable with that, then bend over and take it. The government loves to give it to you. I, on the other hand, will continue to protest in an attempt to protect what freedom and privacy we have left.

You can thank me later - if we don't all end up in some work camp.
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Reply #28 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 10:46am
 
Brew wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 7:31am:
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Everywhere you turn, people are having less and less problem surrendering another piece of their liberty.


We can all provide extreme examples on either side, but Brew's simple statement quoted here should speak volumes.

If that doesn't resonate with you, then there is nothing that will make you understand the whole point that he is trying make.

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Reply #29 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 11:29am
 
Brew wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 10:03am:
It's called allowing the schools to start to dig into and play around with a kid's medical record. What's so difficult to understand about medical records remaining private?

The public education system is no more responsible for a kid's health than they are for a kid's education. Those responsibilities fall squarely on the shoulders of the kid's parents.

All us "ranters" are trying to keep people aware of the fact that freedoms and privacy aren't lost in big chunks - they're eroded tiny bits at a time. If you are comfortable with that, then bend over and take it. The government loves to give it to you. I, on the other hand, will continue to protest in an attempt to protect what freedom and privacy we have left.

You can thank me later - if we don't all end up in some work camp.


1.  Since when is health not the concern of schools?  Health class, physical fitness, lice and scoliosis checks.... schools have always taken steps to improve the health of children.

2.  Where did this say that the students medical record was to be opened or read?  I thought weight and height were ALREADY recorded by schools in Massachusetts pn a yearly basis (according to the initial post).

3.  I guess I still don't understand where sending health information to parents is a invasion. 

Folks, we send our kids to school to learn.  As a parent, I welcome any information that will help me learn about my children and what I can do to help them grow intellectually, educationally, socially, and medically.

BTW, read it again, 18 states already have BMI recorded.  Massachusetts now has the gall to actually let parents know what the results are!
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Reply #30 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 11:30am
 
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Check all the kids for lice and/or a curve of the spine and send home the results??  If they fail, are they going to need a doctor's note to return to school?


They've been sending kids home for head lice since WWI. My mom and dad told me about it.

BMI stats sound like a waste of time and money to me.

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Reply #31 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 11:32am
 
Brew wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 10:03am:
It's called allowing the schools to start to dig into and play around with a kid's medical record. What's so difficult to understand about medical records remaining private?



Exactly how do kids who are chubby (or morbidly obese) keep others from noticing?  By invoking HIPPA?  

Calculating a number (like the BMI) for each kid, and telling the parents what that means in terms of health risks is a small service.  As part of a larger public health initiative, it may lead to better diet, more exercise, and weight loss for some kids.

Schools have done a good job of dealing with medical issues for the past century. When I was in first grade, the homeroom classes lined up for smallpox vaccinations. Before that, school testing was part of getting tuberculosis under control.  There are dozens of other examples of these types of programs that actually reducing human suffering.

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Reply #32 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 11:33am
 
My indoctrination was snuck in on me when I submitted to that TB shot in kindergarten.


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Reply #33 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 11:55am
 
Some cultures practice forced feeding to plump up the babes, fatter is sexier and in that culture heaviest is most desirable.

I guess if I were a parent who practiced this type of aesthetic with my children I would consider a BMI as a progress report.

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Reply #34 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:30pm
 
Eric, Nani & Monty - Nevermind. It was stupid of me to bring it up in the first place.
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Reply #35 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:32pm
 
Brew wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 10:03am:
It's called allowing the schools to start to dig into and play around with a kid's medical record. What's so difficult to understand about medical records remaining private?


Typically, the school RN is a medical professional. and knows how to keep medical records private.  It is not as if though they have your kids entire record in front of them, but they do like to be made aware of any special needs a child might have, such as severe allergies, or diabetes.

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The public education system is no more responsible for a kid's health than they are for a kid's education. Those responsibilities fall squarely on the shoulders of the kid's parents.
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I will have to disagree with you on this.  If this were the case, where would disabled kids get their educations...



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Reply #36 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:41pm
 
Again, nevermind.
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Reply #37 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:43pm
 
Brew wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:41pm:
Again, nevermind.


Ah, of course...
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Reply #38 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:46pm
 
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Again, nevermind.


Ah, of course...

Now you're beginning to get it.
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Reply #39 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 1:08pm
 
Brew wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:46pm:
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Brew wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:41pm:
Again, nevermind.


Ah, of course...

Now you're beginning to get it.


Now, let's not get carried away.  The way I am understanding it is you have surrendered again, but I am confused because you keep responding to the last post.  Are you one of those people that needs the last and final word?
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Brew wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:41pm:
Again, nevermind.


Ah, of course...

Now you're beginning to get it.


Now, let's not get carried away.  The way I am understanding it is you have surrendered again, but I am confused because you keep responding to the last post.  Are you one of those people that needs the last and final word?  

I have surrendered nothing. I came to the realization, once again, that trying to convince certain people of certain things is an exercise in futility.

If you respond, you can have the last word. Won't bother me in the least. Have a nice day.
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Reply #41 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 1:18pm
 
Well, thank you, Brew.  I feel so honored...

Bye now!
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Reply #42 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 1:52pm
 
My trembling typing fingers know how much trouble this next statement is going to cause but alas, here goes: Sending one's children to a government run school is ABUSE in and of itself.

It's not about education anymore. It's about indoctrination, social engineering, and the disappearing civics classes. It's hard to protest the diminishing/loss of your rights when you don't even know what they are!

Additionally, if you bring a child in the world it's YOUR responsibility to educate them properly and make them a good person based on your values, not the state's. How in the world can that happen when 3rd graders are putting condoms on cucumbers; when the first day of class all the school supplies are rounded up and distributed 'fairly' to the rest of the class; when kids have to step through metal detectors just to enter the school; when there are NO armed staff to prevent Columbine-like atrocities resulting in the actual murder of your children?

As an aside, it really chaps my hide to have my property tax (or any other) going to subsidize other people's decisions. The government doesn't run ANY program efficiently--NONE. They botch and politicize one unconstitutional social giveaway program after the next yet modern parents blindly send their little guys off on the bus to be 'educated' by these hacks?

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Reply #43 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 2:10pm
 
notseinfeld wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 1:52pm:
My trembling typing fingers know how much trouble this next statement is going to cause but alas, here goes: Sending one's children to a government run school is ABUSE in and of itself.

It's not about education anymore. It's about indoctrination, social engineering, and the disappearing civics classes. It's hard to protest the diminishing/loss of your rights when you don't even know what they are!

Additionally, if you bring a child in the world it's YOUR responsibility to educate them properly and make them a good person based on your values, not the state's. How in the world can that happen when 3rd graders are putting condoms on cucumbers; when the first day of class all the school supplies are rounded up and distributed 'fairly' to the rest of the class; when kids have to step through metal detectors just to enter the school; when there are NO armed staff to prevent Columbine-like atrocities resulting in the actual murder of your children?

As an aside, it really chaps my hide to have my property tax (or any other) going to subsidize other people's decisions. The government doesn't run ANY program efficiently--NONE. They botch and politicize one unconstitutional social giveaway program after the next yet modern parents blindly send their little guys off on the bus to be 'educated' by these hacks?

Okay...I'm hunkered down and ready for the love to flow.


FWIW - you make perfect sense to me
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Reply #44 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 2:34pm
 
3rd graders putting condoms on cucumbers?  Not representative of what really happens in schools.  10th graders might be watching a film of  that in some schools ... but there are lots of 10th graders who are sexually active, like it or not.

Rounding up supplies and redistributing them? Might happen in some schools, didn't happen for me or my daughter when she was in public school.  Most students brought their own paper and pencils, although sometimes, the school provided supplies (like in art class) ... I guess that teaches socialism, because the taxpayers provided the money for the supplies?  Maybe pay toilets would help install attitudes of personal responsibility while providing a new revenue stream?  Those less well off could learn important lessons about taking responsibility for themselves by planning their daily routine more consciously... and it would probably cut down on smoking and groping on school grounds because most kids sneaking off to the bushes would be rendering the area unfit for other other loitering activities. 

Kids have to suffer the indignity of going through metal detectors, yet there are no armed guards to protect them??  Sounds like nothing will make you happy - some schools use metal detectors as a security measures (and there are armed law enforcement officials in many schools).  

I wonder if we need armed guards in shooting ranges - just saw a clip of a mother shooting her son in the head at an indoor range, and then shooting herself (both died).  Aren't armed citizens supposed to stop that sort of thing??  

Sending one's children to a government run school is ABUSE in and of itself?  I don't think that is true - it is a sweeping, blanket statement. It might be true in some communities.  Hasn't been true for the schools that I went to,

The government doesn't run ANY program efficiently--NONE.  Except for some utilities, libraries, state universities, medicare, restaurant inspections, etc. etc.  Sometimes government can be more efficient by contracting out work, sometimes not.

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Reply #45 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 3:12pm
 
notseinfeld wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 1:52pm:
My trembling typing fingers know how much trouble this next statement is going to cause but alas, here goes: Sending one's children to a government run school is ABUSE in and of itself.


Honestly man, this is ridiculous.  ABUSE???  you put the word in caps because you wanted to emphasize it and honestly, that is the part of your post which goes overboard.  The rest I can give ro take, but you had to purposely go overboard and the rest of your point will get lost.

FYI, I don't send my kids to public school even though I have worked for the public schools for years.


BREW:  I am disappointed.  looks more like you were wrong and had no point than you give up trying to educate others.  not usually your style.
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Reply #46 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 4:11pm
 
It was my third-grade teacher who noticed me squinting and moved me up to the front row then contacted my parents about possible glasses needed.  

With a lifestyle entirely outside, playing with the neighborhood abundant with baby boomers, most all parental contact was within the eye-easy close range viewing of the dinner table, or the occasional reprimand to not sit so close to the TV in a dimly lit living room where details can go unnoticed.  Not knowing, I just strained harder.

This teacher could have just said, fuck it, ain't my problem, job, or responsibility, but I take this as a trained professional who knew near-sightedness can begin to affect those of that age.  Glasses began appearing on a few kids.  

My parents being still young adults were not entirely aware of all childhood possibilities that can be naturally occurring, but I very soon had glasses.  They then became more in tune and educated, noticing my sister right away, soonafter affected and resulting in glasses.


Nowadays I see far fewer kids playing on the streets or any empty lot claimed as their home field for pick-up baseball games.  The chance for parents to view the physical activity of their child sometimes may soley rest upon the observation of a phys. ed. teacher, who then grades them and perhaps comments on participation attempts.  

It could be quite common for some parents to see this as less important than whether their child picked-up their room, or if their spelling is going well while staying current with math lessons, which are known through class tests and report cards.

Should a test of physical conditioning be known, a consideration may be taken to expand this into parenting skills, also.  It doesn't have to be a defininitive judgment, everyone has different builds, but awareness to a parent seems to be of no harm when they may have previously considered that since their child is young, they would be healthy.  Steps can taken early with a child to ingrain an importance of this also being a matter of life worth attention.



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Reply #47 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 4:38pm
 
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Reply #48 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 4:58pm
 
This makes me think of the saying: "It takes a village."

Does anybody know where that originated?

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