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Re: Grading their girth
Reply #51 - Apr 9^th, 2009 at 5:13pm

FramCire wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 3:12pm:

notseinfeld wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 1:52pm:

My trembling typing fingers know how much trouble this next statement is going to cause but alas, here goes: Sending one's children to a government run school is ABUSE in and of itself.

Honestly man, this is ridiculous. ABUSE??? you put the word in caps because you wanted to emphasize it and honestly, that is the part of your post which goes overboard. The rest I can give ro take, but you had to purposely go overboard and the rest of your point will get lost.

FYI, I don't send my kids to public school even though I have worked for the public schools for years.

BREW: I am disappointed. looks more like you were wrong and had no point than you give up trying to educate others. not usually your style.

I for one, agree with every word notseinfeld and Brew have stated.
Especially here in Madison (34 square Miles surrounded by reality).

My son is educated online -

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Re: Grading their girth
Reply #52 - Apr 9^th, 2009 at 5:30pm

Kilroy 2.0 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 5:13pm:

FramCire wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 3:12pm:

notseinfeld wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 1:52pm:

My trembling typing fingers know how much trouble this next statement is going to cause but alas, here goes: Sending one's children to a government run school is ABUSE in and of itself.

Honestly man, this is ridiculous. ABUSE??? you put the word in caps because you wanted to emphasize it and honestly, that is the part of your post which goes overboard. The rest I can give ro take, but you had to purposely go overboard and the rest of your point will get lost.

FYI, I don't send my kids to public school even though I have worked for the public schools for years.

BREW: I am disappointed. looks more like you were wrong and had no point than you give up trying to educate others. not usually your style.

I for one, agree with every word notseinfeld and Brew have stated.
Especially here in Madison (34 square Miles surrounded by reality).

My son is educated online -

"Every word".... wow

Honestly, telling a parent they are abusing their child is very rude and quite severe. good thing for me my kids dont go to public school or these comments would have me very angry.

Folks, is there really a reason to use the word abuse here? if you are a parent and think it makes your point, it would shock me.

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Re: Grading their girth
Reply #53 - Apr 9^th, 2009 at 5:54pm

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"Every word".... wow

Honestly, telling a parent they are abusing their child is very rude and quite severe. good thing for me my kids dont go to public school or these comments would have me very angry.

Folks, is there really a reason to use the word abuse here? if you are a parent and think it makes your point, it would shock me.

Is it not great that we live in a country that allows free speech! I do think it is abuse to send my child to the public schools here in Madison. That is my opinion, it is not yours - I do not see what your issue is. If I think something is abuse I am allowed to say so. YOU do not have to agree!

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Re: Grading their girth
Reply #54 - Apr 9^th, 2009 at 6:11pm

Kilroy 2.0 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 5:54pm:

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"Every word".... wow

Honestly, telling a parent they are abusing their child is very rude and quite severe. good thing for me my kids dont go to public school or these comments would have me very angry.

Folks, is there really a reason to use the word abuse here? if you are a parent and think it makes your point, it would shock me.

Is it not great that we live in a country that allows free speech! I do think it is abuse to send my child to the public schools here in Madison. That is my opinion, it is not yours - I do not see what your issue is. If I think something is abuse I am allowed to say so. YOU do not have to agree!

You don't see my issue? How would you feel if someone accused you of abusing your children? I guess I may be the only person around who would react badly to someone saying that.

Yes, it is wonderful to have free speech. Saying things that are rude or disrespectful is your right, but doesn't make it the right thing to do.

Finally, it is funny that all this stems from a state wanting to educate parents on childhood weight issues. WOW

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Reply #55 - Apr 9^th, 2009 at 8:15pm

There is a problem here beyond the scope of who does the measurements. It is *how* they are done. If they are using the fat calipers, that is the most inaccurate way to measure BMI. If they are using height/weight ratio, they are using the second most innacurate way to measure BMI. Using the height/weight ratio BMI measurements, I am in the *overweight* category (and I am). HOWEVER, if that *fat* was muscle, I would still be considered overweight because of the BMI calculations. according to this site, I'm okay.

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If I use this site, then I'm in the high risk category. So.........just how and who makes the determination?

What baffles me, is that the gubmint doesn't understand *why* this is happening? Hell, all they have to do is call me and I can explain it to them (and they won't even have to spend millions of dollars to have the research done). We are now a sedentary society, our kids don't run and romp like me used to. When I was a kid, growing up, staying inside was a punishment, not a privilege. If you stayed inside, mama could always find something to keep you busy.

BTW, none of the schools my daughter went to, public or private, did head checks for lice.

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Re: Grading their girth
Reply #57 - Apr 9^th, 2009 at 8:41pm

I've just checked out two different bmi calculators.
One gave me a BMI of 20 and it should be between 18 and 25 and another said I was overweight!

I typed 5 ft 2 inches (yeah I know I'm 5'1and a 1/2!!) and 120lbs so I don't know how in hell they worked out I'm overweight from THAT

Which just proves Carolyns point that BMI is a crock of codswallop

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Grading their girth Reply #58 - Apr 9^th, 2009 at 8:59pm All the doctors, therapists, teachers, and counselors tell us all the wonderful things we need to do to add years to our lives. They never tell you that those years always come at the end. Thank you, no.
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Reply #59 - Apr 10^th, 2009 at 12:13am

If you're all getting your nipples twisted into knots over measuring the BMI of the kids, just wait till they start measuring the "Brown Fat".

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(not to stray too far from the original topic) I wonder how much brown fat would be found in clusterheads... I wonder if an attack actually stimulates it and turns us into the little furnaces that we become.

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Guiseppi CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline San Diego to Florida 05-16-2011 Posts: 12063 SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA USA Gender:	Re: Grading their girth Reply #60 - Apr 10^th, 2009 at 12:31am I caught that article this morning...what really stuck out in my mind was babies don't shiver!!!!! I learned something new today! Joe
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Reply #61 - Apr 10^th, 2009 at 8:56am

I've been following the brown fat/white fat thing for a while ... and there is a carotene pigment from some seaweeds that makes white fat act like brown fat. Not sure if it works in people, or if there are side effects (that type of metabolism is tied to adrenaline, and people that need beta-blockers might not want to crank that up).

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Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 2005 Jul 1;332(2):392-7.

Fucoxanthin from edible seaweed, Undaria pinnatifida, shows antiobesity effect through UCP1 expression in white adipose tissues.
Maeda H, Hosokawa M, Sashima T, Funayama K, Miyashita K.

Mitochondrial uncoupling protein 1 (UCP1) is usually expressed only in brown adipose tissue (BAT) and a key molecule for metabolic thermogenesis to avoid an excess of fat accumulation. However, there is little BAT in adult humans. Therefore, UCP1 expression in tissues other than BAT is expected to reduce abdominal fat. Here, we show reduction of abdominal white adipose tissue (WAT) weights in rats and mice by feeding lipids from edible seaweed, Undaria pinnatifida. Clear signals of UCP1 protein and mRNA were detected in WAT of mice fed the Undaria lipids, although there is little expression of UCP1 in WAT of mice fed control diet. The Undaria lipids mainly consisted of glycolipids and seaweed carotenoid, fucoxanthin. In the fucoxanthin-fed mice, WAT weight significantly decreased and UCP1 was clearly expressed in the WAT, while there was no difference in WAT weight and little expression of UCP1 in the glycolipids-fed mice. This result indicates that fucoxanthin upregulates the expression of UCP1 in WAT, which may contribute to reducing WAT weight.

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