Poeple try ignoring, the problem is these open door posts will never stop. If people are going to start a thread and open a door, then they will have to live with what walks through the door.

And now it is more important than ever that people do walk through the doors. These people count on being able to bamboozel others with lies and just plain tire them out. Do you really want the country to go back to where is was the last 8 years? If so, keep ignoring these open doors and in 4 years we can have another Bush in office.

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superhawk2300 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2009 at 8:09am:


And here is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

I try to never get involved in political discussions anywhere, because in this day and age, it's futile and gets nowhere other than animosity with the opposing viewpoint.

However, I want to remind everyone.  The President of the United States, no matter his/her party, his/her color, his/her viewpoints, does NOT make the laws.

The people that YOU elect to the House of Representatives make the laws.  The people that YOU elect to the Senate ratify those laws.  The President has the power to veto those laws that come on his/her desk.

Pick a law, any law.  Let's say it is a really good law that should be enacted for the betterment of every American.    By the time it passes the House, many "earmarks (note: PORK), has been added.  Then the Senate gets the bill.  More "earmarks/PORK gets added.

Now it goes to the President.  Gee, this is a really good, necessary bill, but with all the crap that's been added it's now crap.  Do I sign, or do I veto?

If I sign, I, the President, will be held "responsible" for all the added crap.  If I veto, I, the President, will be held "responsible" for not allowing a necessary bill to pass.

I, the President is in a lose/lose position on any bill that lands on my desk.

LINE ITEM VETO POWER TO THE PRESIDENT!  Most Governors of states have this power, mine does, why does the President of the US not have this power.

Bottom line, I don't give a rats ass whether you love/hate Obama, Bush, love/hate the Democrats/Republicans, love/hate black white.  None of this has nothing to do with anything.

You got a problem with government?  Blame us for voting for, and re-voting for inept Representatives and Senators and allowing them to add their PORK to needed legislation that benefits all Americans.  Blame us, for electing the greedy, the partisan politicians, the ones who care only about their own pockets, their own party or their own constituents before caring about their country.  Blame us for voting for the local dog catcher just because we've heard of his name before.  

It's our fault.  It's only our fault.

Quit blaming the President, of any persuasion.  It's our fault.  It's my fault - it's your fault.  

It's not totally because "very few people give a shit".  They do give a shit.

What's real is because very few people realize that the President of the United States of America, has very little power in making the laws of this country.  It's because very few people understand that the people they vote into the House and the Senate are the ones to do have the power to make the laws in this country.

Got a problem?  Blame ourselves FOR Congress!

We are getting exactly what we deserve.

Soapbox is now closed.

Sandy

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No insults here Eric. I don't ever post on these political threads because it is pointless. Neither side will ever convince the other they are wrong. All they are good for is pissing everyone off.

And who knows, that may be the agenda.

They're plenty of political web sites where one can go and argue about politics until the sun goes down. Why peeps want to do that here on a clusterhead board is beyond me.

Having said that, not much can be done about it other than hit the ignore button and not read them.

If political posts DOES make you angry or cause your blood pressure to go up, then you need to stay away. Personally, they don't make me angry unless someone makes it personal and goes beyond attacking  their party or linked opinions and starts attacking the person. While it has gotten close, so far still within the guidelines.

Thats what I was thinking.

Jimi wrote on Apr 17^th, 2009 at 11:52am:




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Reminiscent of a type of fishing we do here on the lakes for walleye, called trolling.

But he makes all sorts of policy, Sandy. It ain't just about laws.

I stand corrected.

The link I used doesn't have pics for 2 dems on on my screen it bumps them way off the side and I missed them. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or

that being said all republicans save 39 got provisions added to the pork bill you rail on. That is almost all of them. This isn't a democratic problem.

And really, putting money in the system is all that matters. It was done in the depression by having people dig holes and then having other people filling the holes that were dug. It was done by reagan by building aircraft carriers. get people working and buying goods again. It isn't rocket science.

I am glad you took your own advice. A note: my posts in opposition to you are not specifically anti-republican, they are anti-hypocrit. and in this time period I find most Bush sympathizers are hypocrits and also republicans. rest assured if Bush was a democrat and the dems controlled the gov and got the same results as the Bush administration did I would be railing on dems right now.

Well I guess I chime in here.  Sandy wins.

Strongly consider voting the Independent candidate. Try to disregard your Party inclinations and send fresh representatives who are not bought and paid for by the real legislative movers...the lobbyists.

The best message we can send as voting citizens is to derail this constant war of ideology which has us at odds as Americans.  Be careful though. Once the two Parties see the Independent candidate gaining momentum they will adopt their planks and try to convince you they stand for the same things.

Drain the swamp of the oligarchs..of both Parties.

Steve (I) G

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Texas law prohbits us from seceeding, but it gives us the right to break into 10 new states... that would be interesting.... Old Rick needs to brush up on his Texas History (oops I forgot they quit teaching that to kids in TEXAS schools).


Nuther thing.... I might not agree with EVERYTHING the PRESIDENT does, but I still RESPECT the OFFICE of PRESIDENT. The country ELECTED him for better or worse (sounds like we married him don't it? ).

I've had the opportunity to live in a lot of foreign countries including some of the ones we don't get along with right now (Korea and Venezuela included) and think we're better off talking to them rather than bombing them. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer is a good axiom to remember. I can't fault Obama for that one. Why not talk to them - find out where they're coming from?

Guess I was raised to THINK for myself. Heck, sometimes I'm a liberal and sometimes I'm real conservative, but I've never needed Boss Rush or FIX news to tell me what I SHOULD be thinking. I can usually figure it out for myself. I learned to read at an early age and can usually muddle thru those bills that Congress insists on muddling up with a lot of whyfores an whatas's. I keep writing them and telling them they're full of crap, but they just keep putting all that B$ in there anyhow.

Sandy is right about us - we just keep electing Congressman and Senators who just keep on screwing up our country. It's our fault pure and simple. And then we come to a forum like this and ARGUE about who's right and who's wrong -- WE ARE!!!

But as my sainted Mother always said, "Be careful about pointing that finger, cause if you look down, you've got at least three pointed right back at ya!"

Hugs BD

But then remember, Charlie: Don't mess with Texas.