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Apr 29th, 2009 at 10:18am
 
I live close to the area in NY where the first cases here appeared, just a few miles away.

So far, I'm fine, except for allergies, but on the cautious side.  Got my can of lysol instead of mace as a weapon. 

Have you or anyone you know of come down with it?  Scary news today as one infant in Houston has died from it, though as I read it, this child traveled from Mexico to the states with it, as did the students at St. Francis Prep. Still haven't been able to reach my family in Mexico City, which I've heard now is practically ghost town.

Take all pre-cautions and stay safe out there!
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Reply #1 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 10:36am
 
That's all that's on the news today.... CDC says they're coming up with a vaccine for it, but it will be a while. Still haven't figured out what's causing it. One station says one thing - the next says another.

Heard about that infant that died - sad. My grandson had an ucler on his gums and his parents totally panicked (and his mother is an RN). He's fine - just an ucler (salt water would have probably cured it up, but they rushed him to the doc).

I've got a feeling this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Right now everyone is getting summer colds (tis the season) and the doctor's offices are totally booked up. Then the news said it will probably hit big time when flu season hits in the fall and winter. Geezz, what's going on?

Hope everyone is staying well and will stay that way....

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Reply #2 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:18am
 
Keep yourself alert and don't be stupid, but *please* don't buy into this panic BS that is starting to spread.

The CDC estimates that about 36,000 Americans are kill by flu and complications from flu every year.  That's about 100 per day.  Of course, you can argue with the numbers, but the point is a lot of people die from the flu every year.  Worldwide, the yearly number is somewhere around 500,000.

Now, this flu (H1N1) has killed 1 person (a Mexican, btw) in America.

Is it time to panic?  Seriously?  Do you not feel a little bit manipulated by the media?  This is not a pandemic (yet).

I'm not saying ignore it, just try to keep it in perspective.
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Reply #3 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:33am
 
Be sure to get a Flu shot in the Fall.... Hopefully it will include the H1N1 strain.
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Reply #4 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:33am
 
I echo Shawn's words. I'm encouraging my family to wash hands frequently and be aware of symptoms, but that is simply common knowledge.

Business as usual Cathi.
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Reply #5 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:34am
 
There's no cause to panic as I see it - just taking precautions as I said. 

I don't let the media manipulate me, you have to learn how to take things others say, such as politicians and the media in particular, with a grain of salt.  Period.  Skepticism and cynicism rule in my world. 

HOWEVER, considering I live well within 10 minutes of the school, swine or not, I don't want to get the flu and be sick with all the stuff happening in my life!

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Reply #6 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:37am
 
We were just released from isolation today. 2 suspected cases showed up in our county and then I had 2 teens come down with flu symptoms - who had both already had influenza B.  It wasn't til I called to make an appt for them that I was told we had to stay in isolation until we knew.

Both cases in this county were negative, and we were released from isolation.

This is now my 3rd isolation - first for SARS (my kids were in Toronto when it broke out) then for mumps - kids were safe, I was not, now this.

Sheesh.

They just want to stimulate the economy with latex glove and face mask purchases Tongue

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Reply #7 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:41am
 
Every year in America, 37,000 people die of Flu related complications.

Nobody seems to give a hoot about that until they name it something new and different - or in this case something recycled.  The swine flu last went around with gusto in the 70's.




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Reply #8 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:45am
 
The BBC reports that the symptoms of swine flu are intense sweating, incoherent speech, pungent body odour and fatigue.


Who'da thunk the Beeb would have confirmed I married a pig???
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Reply #9 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 12:02pm
 
Supposedly there are two cases in Chautauqua Co.....where I live. Not sure yet. My advice is to stay out of hospitals...about the most dangerous place there is for this kind of thing.

Damn. I had my flu about 3 weeks ago. I'm not looking forward to battling another. Angry Hopefully, this one will turn out a bit exaggerated.

It's the 1918 flu that really clobbered us. Look in a cemetery sometime and note how many markers...often side by side, from 1918. Whole families, even. Scary thing killed millions.

Heading for a better puter place to get a new hard drive so maybe I can be back permanently. I'm still at the library. It's a long story. I'll take ideas for getting even with creepy business kids. Nothing like Tony Soprano though....... Shocked

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Reply #10 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 12:43pm
 
Drinks lots of orange juice and stay away from people... Granny's home remedy. And I agree - stay out of hospitals and away from doctor's offices.. people are SICK there and you could catch somethin' Wink.

Now if someone would just come up with a vaccine for ALERGIES!!!

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Reply #11 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 1:31pm
 
They may or may not have the H1N1 vaccine ready by the fall flu season.  It takes 4-6 months, at a minimum, to have a flu vaccine ready for the market.  Most likely, it would not be part of the regular flu shot even if it were ready.

Unless you want to shut yourself up in a completely steralized room with it's own purified air supply, the best thing you can do is keep your hands washed!  If you cough or sneeze, either cover your mouth or cough or sneeze into your sleeve (although that's not feasible down here, given that we're in the mid to upper 80's, so no long sleeves).  Carry hand sanitizer with you if you have to go to the store or out in public.

Wearing a mask won't do you much good, give than just *breathing* the air won't transmit the disease.  You could wear a surgical mask, but that's not feasible, given that moisture accumulates on the inside of the mask and you'd have to change it every so offten.


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Reply #12 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 1:57pm
 
Mosaicwench wrote on Apr 29th, 2009 at 11:41am:
Every year in America, 37,000 people die of Flu related complications.

Nobody seems to give a hoot about that until they name it something new and different - or in this case something recycled.  The swine flu last went around with gusto in the 70's.




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I believe the difference here is that this version of the flu is attacking and killing young healthy people.  The 37,000 people you mention are typically elderly and/or immunodeficient.  This strain also has no vaccinations available as of yet, which is why people are giving more of a hoot about this than the usual push to get vaccinated.  I don't think being overly cautious is a bad thing.  I think people are just being proactive in their approach to this trying to prevent it from becoming something more.  What is the harm in that?

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Reply #13 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 1:58pm
 
I heard on the radio today that hand sanitizer doesn't kill it. You have to do the soap and water thing.

I don't know for a fact, I just heard.
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Reply #14 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 2:18pm
 
Brew wrote on Apr 29th, 2009 at 1:58pm:
I heard on the radio today that hand sanitizer doesn't kill it. You have to do the soap and water thing.

I don't know for a fact, I just heard.


That is probably a rumor...  Reading the CDC website: Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register , it states that alcohol based sanitizers are effective.  I would probably try to use products with the higher alcohol concentrations though.  

Brew, that is a good point, I am glad you brought it up.

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Reply #15 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 3:48pm
 
This is from Twitter Breaking News:
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GENEVA (BNO NEWS) – The World Health Organization has decided to raise its pandemic alert level to a phase 5, declaring swine flu a global pandemic, BNO News has exclusively learned.

The new phase will be announced at 2000 GMT during an international telephone news conference, which was earlier announced by the World Health Organization. It is unclear if there has been an emergency meeting of the committee tonight, but BNO News earlier reported that a meeting was expected either late today or early on Thursday. The announcement follows a WHO conference call with a group of scientists from around the world who gave their view on the new H1N1 virus.

It will be the first time the World Health Organization used phase 5 since they introduced the 6-phase system several years ago. According to BNO News sources at the World Health Organization, they do not know if they are dealing with "a very mild or a very severe pandemic." A number of actions to be taken will also be announced.

It will be the first influenza pandemic since the Hong Kong Flu in 1968 which killed up to 1 million people.
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Reply #16 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 3:50pm
 
There are 868 variations of flu, and the flu shot can only protect against 8 of them each year.  They try to make a best guess and distribute a shot that covers the 'expected' strains.  Usually, they get 1-2 right, and still they estimate about 36,000 deaths in America due to flu-related complications.

The flu that is spreading right now does not have a vaccine yet, and one can not possibly be made for months, but more to the point, the problem ISN'T the current strain.  The big worry from the CDC is that every time this strain is transmitted from person-person, there is a small chance it could BECOME (mutate into) a strain that is more virulent or deadly.

So, think about this for a minute... ALL of this worry is about something that HAS NOT HAPPENED.  It didn't happen with SARS.  It didn't happen with Avian flue.  It hasn't happened with Swine flu (yet).  There is no reason to freak out at all yet, and the number of people who have gotten sick is infinitesimal right now.

Relax.  Nobody anywhere has said this particular flu is anything like the 1918 flu which did kill mostly healthy people between the ages of 18 and 35.  According to some accounts, the mortality rate for infected people in that age group was about 95%.  The mortality rate for the whole population was something like 35%.

It is simply unreasonable to be in any kind of a panic over this nonsense.  I personally think this is just another attempt to get us all worried so that we can all feel good about how safe our government has made us when it turns out to be 'under control' (when in fact nothing is out of control yet)


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Reply #17 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 4:03pm
 
No panic here - just passing along a relevant news item.
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Hello,

Re alcohol sanitizers...must be a minimum of 62% (ethyl) alcohol...don't buy the cheap stuff   AND, just before it dries,
scrub your hands with a paper towel... the friction improves effective removal of bacteria by 20%...otherwise you're just smearing them around..

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Reply #19 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 4:39pm
 
jon019 wrote on Apr 29th, 2009 at 4:25pm:
Hello,

Re alcohol sanitizers...must be a minimum of 62% (ethyl) alcohol...don't buy the cheap stuff   AND, just before it dries,
scrub your hands with a paper towel... the friction improves effective removal of bacteria by 20%...otherwise you're just smearing them around..

best,

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But I thought it was a virus we were concerned about here - not bacteria.
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The 37,000 people you mention are typically elderly and/or immunodeficient.  


Huh?  

37,000 people (perhaps elderly or immune-suppressed, demographics unknown to me ) still died from flu related complications last year.  Are you saying that since they might have been elderly or immune-suppressed that they are somehow less than human? That no one mourned their passing?  That they were somehow less valued than the young and the healthy?

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I agree Pat, I have to have the flu injection because of my complete lack of immunity to anything. I kind of read that and winced too.
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Reply #22 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 7:09pm
 
The average 35,000 that die each flu season from flu and complications are the very young (ie:babies), elderly, immune defficient and other health poblems. The cdc.gov site is updated about 3 times daily and has the best info. The same precautions as normal flu season work so far. The 1918 pandemic was complicated by the huge military camps and troop movements in WW 1. Also that virus caused the bodys immune system to attack itself, therefore, they drowned, the lungs filled up with fluid.
I won't even go into the stupidity of state governments in dealing with this. Enuff to say I am embaressed to work for them.
And less not forget the stupid media. The space time concept is now null and void. The national media reports it has located case number "0".
Computers use the binary system of 1 and 0. Now they have the same value. No mathematical formula is now valid.

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H1N1, pronounced high-knee.  From now on it shall be referred to as the HINI flu!
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