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Circadian Rhythm
Apr 30th, 2009 at 4:01pm
 
Not sure if this has been discussed but I am wondering on people's severity of CH and how it possibly correlates with their circadian rhythm.

I, for one, have horrible sleeping habits, I stay up late all the time, I take random naps, and my lifestyle is just flat out unhealthy. I write music and record it on my computer into the wee hours of the morning sometimes. I wonder if this has something to do with my condition.  A disruption of one's circadian rhythm tends to lead to all sorts of problems concerning the hypothalamus.  Also, notice how the studies say that napping during the day is really bad for CH sufferers.  

So, has anybody tried cutting off pc monitors and tv at late hours? Have you guys tried sleeping consistently at the same time every nite? Or stopping  other things that disrupt circadian rhythm?
Can we poll the board members here? What is your lifestyle like and what severity is your CH? I have a theory here I wish to explore. Thanks.
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Reply #1 - Apr 30th, 2009 at 5:41pm
 
Well, I'm DULL. I get up about 4 in the morning, check the MB to see what the nightowls have been up to.

Take a shower, eat breakfast, check my tomatoes, work if I have the energy.

Did I mention this depends on when I get hit -- the demon sometimes interrupts my routine, but I compensate for the time wasted on him, once I get rid of his sorry rear, then go on with my regular routine.

About dark-thirty (actually with these long days a little before dark) I take my night time pills and hit the bed (NCIS and I have a thing going - Gibbs can't solve those crimes without me Kiss) and I fall asleep and then at about 4 a.m. we start all over again.

Now on the First Thursday of the month, I do change my routine and go out on the town with the Red Hatters. We sometimes stay out as late as 7:30 (one month I didn't get home till 8 P.M. - it was a WILD night). But most of the time I stay in my little dull routine and keep my head under control.

And of course, I have NO bad habits at all (shut up Chuck!) - ok so I have a couple left over from my younger years, but I really do stay in a routine pretty much. And I don't nap! That's a guarantee of a hit for me.

Bet that's more than you wanted to know.

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Reply #2 - Apr 30th, 2009 at 11:11pm
 
wow Barb,
What a wild, crazy out of control, mama you are.  I had no idea you were such a party animal!!!!!!!

Seriously though,  the older I get the more I love my routine of bedtime at 11:30.  up at 7am.  If I sleep too much later than that it will always give me either a HA,during cycles, or bad shadows if I am not.  that is one reason that having teenage children is so hard, because I cant stand having to stay up late waiting for him to get homeat night.

Maybe my teenage, and yound adult habits are what started the whole thing though.  never really thought about it though.   something to think about.

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Reply #3 - May 1st, 2009 at 3:42am
 
I work shift work, used to swap every 3 months from days to nights then back to days again. When I'm out of cycle it doesn't bug me at all. When I'm in cycle, sleep disruptions are a trigger for me. Not getting enough sleep, pulling a 20 hour day, over sleeping into the late morning, all will generally guarantee me a hit.

On the other side, if I religously avoid those triggers, and my other triggers, alcohol, getting really hungry, sustained stress, it won't eliminate my attacks, just decrease the number of hits.

We've tried and tried to attach a particular life style to CH, be it smoker, non smoker, health food nut vs, junk food king, heterosexual or gay, gutter drunk vs. total abstainers, we have yet to find that elusive common thread! It's what makes the conventions so danged much fun, you will not find a more completely DIFFERENT group of people anywhere on the planet! Grin

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Reply #4 - May 1st, 2009 at 6:01am
 
Sleep?  What is that?  Oh that much over rated thing ... Ah!  NOW I remember!

I am chronic, and get (during my normal period) anywhere from 8 to 12 hits a day ... During my high cycle period, I get a lot more hits.

I have developed into not needing more than three hours sleep per day.  BUT, it is never all at once.  I can only sleep 45 to 90 minutes, and then the beast wakes me up to discuss world affairs.

Daytime naps are usually a no-no.  The beast HATES for you to take nooners .. He hits with a vengeance if you do.

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Reply #5 - May 1st, 2009 at 11:14am
 
Chuck: Yeah I understand. But don't you think if you somehow found a way to get your sleep back to normal (no idea how you would do this, but hypothetically), it would help your CH's a lot more? It seems like you are stuck in a vicious cycle. Respect to how calm and positive you seem to be.  I can't even compare my situation to yours (yet)
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Reply #6 - May 1st, 2009 at 12:06pm
 
hi still relativelly new to this, been having hits for about 3 years but only recently (8 weeks ago(start of cycle)) did i move my sorry arse.
i work shift work 1week early, 1week nights, 1 week lates. i tend to stay in a routine each shift of when i go to bed and as ive been keeping a headache diary i now know when im going to get hit on each shift (more or less). even saying that i have had a couple of visits during work and i do tend to do daytime naps after the early shift (yes i get hit during my nap) but since i get woke up at 01:30 with sharon (my name for the beast) then get up at 04:30 i tend to say sod it i need to get some sleep. I work on the theory that i will control this not the other way round of course sharon has other ideas and slaps me silly. luckilly enough i get 53 days holidays a year and my boss is unerstanding more or less but the lack of sleep gets to me after a while.

anyway as i said im still learning
mark (hopefully coming out of cycle) hoping for pf days for us all
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Reply #7 - May 6th, 2009 at 3:48pm
 
Getting more sleep and more consistent sleep helped me a lot. On the other hand, I simply couldn't sleep much before, I had constant attacks. I guess it was a bit of chicken or egg thing. If you can sleep you should.
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Reply #8 - May 7th, 2009 at 1:23am
 
I'm with Chuck and Joe on this one, although I get a bit more sleep than Chuck can.  I can never go to bed before I know I am done for the night.  That might be at 11:30, but usually not before 2.  I'm fortunate in that I'm not one who gets the REM hits, although last night I got to bed at 2, and was awakened at 3:30.  I've learned to deal with the hits that come when I'm awake, but when they awaken me they are to far gone to deal with.  I hate that!

I've had family members tell me that if I would "just go to bed and get a good nights rest I wouldn't get 'those headaches'".  If you see me without a tongue one day you will know why!

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Reply #9 - May 7th, 2009 at 1:49am
 
If you see me without a tongue one day you will know why!

Your restraint qualifies you for sainthood Jerry Grin

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Reply #10 - May 7th, 2009 at 5:26am
 
Sleep ummm sleep let me see that is that thing that happens when most people goto that room with a big rectangle fluffy thing and lay on it. Then they close there eyes for 6 to 8 hours and get up feeling great, is this the sleep your refering to? I've heard of it but I'm not very good at it  Roll Eyes

Ok so I have a 1 and 4 year old son I suffer with chronic pain from past  surgeries, then add the beast into the equation just for a bit of spice and you get the idea.

When out of cycle I usually get down around 10 or 11 and get up a 6:30 or 7:00 depending on how nice I am to my alarm clock. During that time I will get up 3 to 4 times or about every 2 hours, have a smoke and go back to bed. There are the other wake-up moments from my youngest since he is still breast feeding and occasionally my 4 year old will need some sort of assistance during the night. On bad night's I will sleep walk and have found the anti-depressants make it even worse. (anti- dep were for a preventative for CH's) Then if I get a chance I will nap during the day usually with my youngest during his nap time, we make great snooze partners.

During cycle all bets are off my attacks start between 6:30 and 7:30 pm daily, if I abort the first one I setup on a 1 hour cycle between attacks. this will continue until 3 or 4 in the morning and I can usually get to sleep around 5:30 or 6:00 then I will get another hit at 8 or 9 in the morning. At least my beast is punctual  Smiley then I sleep whenever I can get it, usually the middle of the day. Thank god I have my own business otherwise I would probably be out of work. If I do not abort the first attack I will get my second around 9 then through out the evening until about 1 or 2 in the morning. I will try to sleep but it is hard to come by because I know the beast is waiting for me, I will get a sleep attack anywhere from 45 min to 1 1/2 hours after I finally fall to sleep.

Hope this helps with your theory.

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