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Reply #26 - May 6th, 2009 at 3:51pm
 
Piper, you are legendary. It's really nice to see you, and I hope you'll hang around so we can all get to know you better!
As for this subject, yes, it IS a sticky one, bARB! lol! tHE GOOD NEWS IS, YOU HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO BRING IT UP.
As I see it, there are the people who wish to forget the beast exists while they are in remission, and the ones who wish to keep the armory full-and that includes support as well as meds-and these people NEVER let their guards down! They communicate with everyone, and appreciate the friendships which obviously develop. Some people are far more social than others, however, and when I have read in the past of sufferers who have hidden their affliction from even the closest family members, I can fully understand why they have no desire whatsoever to drop in here while out of cycle.
What their makeup is has nothing to do with their need for understanding and support, if they ask for it. This is a very personal disease. fact is, if they are reaching out, be it to give OR receive help, I think they deserve it.....this is about CH....and you just never know where a breakthrough might be found. Read, support, give take.whatever you can do.....coz, again, ya just never know!

Soapbox back under the bed.......

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Reply #27 - May 6th, 2009 at 4:17pm
 
As Helen would say..."I am chuffed to bits"  that you're back my friend.

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Reply #28 - May 6th, 2009 at 5:54pm
 
Jimi wrote on May 6th, 2009 at 12:17pm:


Lefty......I like your avatar. Wink


Now that you've brought up avatars Jimi, I have always been curious to know what's that your drinking....!

Jimi... Smiley


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Reply #29 - May 6th, 2009 at 6:04pm
 
I hear what Barb is saying but I've also learned that people must do what is best for them.  I do wonder how they are getting on though and miss some of them too.

I'd never scorn anyone for taking a break.  God knows after a rough cycle there is a lot to catch up on in ones life.  Lots of living to do.

Piper, it's wonderful to see you again.   SmileyYou've been missed around these parts, girl.  We sure had a bunch of fun in Elaine's old chat.  Wow, that was a years ago.
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Reply #30 - May 6th, 2009 at 6:27pm
 
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Reply #31 - May 6th, 2009 at 7:39pm
 
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I've got a heap of excuses I could try on you but I don't really think they would cut it  Embarrassed

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Reply #32 - May 7th, 2009 at 1:02am
 
Barb,

You as usual are right on target.  of late I have been guilty as charged.  I've been around, but mostly hanging out in the General posts section wrangling about politics and other non-CH stuff.  Been fighting depression, but didn't want to admit it, and didn't feel like I COULD help someone else much as I couldn't even keep my own head up much.  I have tried to encourage through PMs and emails, and I do pray regularly for you all, especially when I know of specific probs, but I have fallen down on the support on the board.  I used to haunt the guest book and contact those who posted messages there, but have not even done that lately.  I am profoundly sorry.  This place literally saved my life.  I was seriously considering ending it if I could do it in such a way as to not hurt my family to badly.  (RIGHT!)  Fortunately I found the Old, old board during a month long trial of the internet that I could not afford.  I found hope and understanding.  Finally I was able to get online periodically at the library, went to the first Davcon, and I've been here since.  My wife says I spend more time with you all than I do with my own family, but what she has trouble understanding is that you ARE family. 

I've told DJ more than once thank you for my life, but I'll do it one more time.  Along with him there are a number of you, and some of the ones who are not here anymore who gave it back to me.  Guess I just need to get my head back out where the sun can shine on it and pick my oar back up don't I.

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Reply #33 - May 7th, 2009 at 3:07am
 
Much the same happens on the Ouch UK website and with membership - members come and go and when they're out of cycle - They just get on their lives.

I've noticed here - and not wishing to rock the boat - that some members post prolifically on joining, gaining sympathy and advice - often with very dramatic and epical stories to tell. I'm not knocking the pain and suffering, and the way this condition can destroy a normal way of life - as a supporter, I've seen it all happen, been there - got the T shirt - but have you ever considered that some who visit this site have this condition rather than CH?

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Re: Just gotta say something
Reply #34 - May 7th, 2009 at 3:28am
 
Dyno wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 3:07am:
I've noticed here - and not wishing to rock the boat - that some members post prolifically on joining, gaining sympathy and advice - often with very dramatic and epical stories to tell. I'm not knocking the pain and suffering, and the way this condition can destroy a normal way of life - as a supporter, I've seen it all happen, been there - got the T shirt - but have you ever considered that some who visit this site have this condition rather than CH?

Yes, this HAS happened here, in the past, and will happen again, I am sure,  but they usually get found out after a bit.  When their posts start to sound TOO far fetched, and then start to contradict previous posts, it is usually the demise of their membership.

It IS possible, that a very talented individual slips by, but most are usually caught.

Good comment!

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Reply #35 - May 7th, 2009 at 7:51am
 
aintnodisco wrote on May 6th, 2009 at 3:12pm:
Hello to all of you!!!!

I don't know where to start first so bear with me.  Thank you Barb for giving me the boot today that I  needed.  I am one of the old timers.  I am very proud to say that but not proud of the fact that I have been a lurker for the last 4 years.

One thing I can say is that I know for a fact...Once you have been here, once you have met these people in person you are changed forever.  When I came to this place 10 years ago I was stunned that there were other people in the world that were going through the same nightmare I was.  People who knew exactly what it felt like, people that had gone years without help, years without being understood.  There weren't that many of us 10 years ago but there were enough that all of the sudden the black cloud lifted and you knew that you had a place where you could go.  I'm sure that all of you can relate to what I am trying to say.  That being said, going from having it to not is more torture than should be allowed.

My reasons for being a lurker may or may not mean anything to those of you reading this.  It never had anything to do with taking and not giving back.  DJ and members of this board so many years ago gave me back my life, for that I would give mine to help another sufferer.   There is nothing I wouldn't do to help another sufferer.  There are a few here that know that and through them, miracles do happen.  Sometimes things aren't as they appear.  Sometimes you have to ride in the back of the boat just to keep the sailing smooth.  I chose to do that, and that my friends of old is why I lurk.

Lot's has changed over the last ten years and I will tell you that from where I sit today, all for the good.  If there is no retribution for this post maybe I can finally move from the back of the boat to getting an oar in my hand.

My heart goes out to all of you and I miss so many of you so much you'll never know how much you've meant to me.

Always in my thoughts!!!
Piper




Glad to see you topside again Piper.  I was down in the hold getting your seat ond oar out of storage.  The folks that have been here for a while knew you didn't jump ship, you were below deck with a nasty case of laryngitis.  Lets hope there are no relapses!

Anyway. welcome back topside, enjoy the fresh air and sun and join in! Smiley

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Reply #36 - May 7th, 2009 at 9:10am
 
Barbara has brought up an issue which is far more complex than might be obvious at first reading. But I want you to take these comments as a series of observations and NOT judgments of any idea or person who has written on this extensive thread.

Last December, 15 people entered the same floor of the local hospital to have joint replacement surgery. They went through physical therapy following surgery, helping, encouraging, sharing their mutual pain. And then they went home. And they will never see one another again. Their collective job had been completed; what each gave to the other at the time of shared experience & need was sufficient.

Quite different if you need to join an AA group. The struggle for sobriety goes on for decades; folks in some groups have known one another for many years. BUT there must be room for the newly sober; there must be an opening for the new voice to find a hearing, to feel the growth in support which the old timers enjoy.

Name the support group or church or family--the same fluidity of need is there. There must be room for the older participant and the new face. Serving either group to the exclusion of the other leads to a failure for all.

When an AA group becomes too large, it must split or spin off a new group. Just like a nest of honey bees dividing to create a new hive; too many is not healthy for all.

Each type of social group has an optimal size which needs to be understood and respected if the group is to retain its capacity to meet the needs of the folks who are seeking the kind of services/support/relationships which that group offers.

DJ has recognized the need to protect the core strength of our group when he posted his standards-of-conduct message or when we gently tell migraine folks to look elsewhere for aid.

There is no clear, explicit solution to the question Barbara has lovely raised. But we need to be aware--always--that we are here, first and foremost, to offer a hand to the new soul who needs our collective experience. The rest is nice but secondary--I think.....
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Reply #37 - May 7th, 2009 at 9:26am
 
Today I've been thinking about the reasons that I don't post much here...    

Like others have said, this place saved my life - really - we all know that saying that isn't necessarily an exageration!  

I joined this site in 2005, got trolled - still feel silly about that - harrassed Jonny and defended the troll - the joys of being a newbie...
Since then there have been two times that I have been online whilst someone was threatening to kill themselves.  NOw that is some freaky shit - and being that I'm on the other side of the world...     This place can be really quite scary.  

It isn't much of an excuse... and like I said earlier I've got many (and they are just excuses)... but please try to understand that some of us are not as strong, extrovert, able, whatever....  (offline I'm quite shy and reserved).  I will forever be thankful for the help that you have given to me over the years.   And whilst I don't post much, I am a lurker.  I do care about you all, I do try to keep up to date with what is happening....

Sorry that I'm not able to be more proactive,  


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Reply #38 - May 7th, 2009 at 11:43am
 
I do envy Bob's eloquence, very well put sir. Wink

Sorry that I'm not able to be more proactive, 
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You just lurk away Kate, Smiley knowing you're still hanging with us is enough!

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Reply #39 - May 7th, 2009 at 12:02pm
 
I'm here every day, several times a day.....  More than I should be... I'm a CH.com addict.  I offer help when I think it will make a difference. Many times I just feel that others here are more capable of making a difference than I.

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Reply #40 - May 7th, 2009 at 5:56pm
 
Smiley, I've been here a while, but only a short time  Wink.

And i don't post much. Not sure that will change, it's diffcult to get a word in edge ways ! !

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Reply #42 - May 7th, 2009 at 6:24pm
 
Redd wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 6:11pm:
not planning to go anywhere unless all computers break down everywhere.

DAYUM!!!

I guess that means we are stuck with her ...

Well, it could be worse ... We could be stuck with BarbaraD ... Oh wait we ARE stuck with her too!!

We are also stuck with LeLimey ....

And Jackie ...

And DonnaH ...

And Stephanie ...

And Melly ...

And Cathi ...

And Linda ...

And all the Sandys ...

And the two Charlottes ...

And DeltaDarlin ...

And Cat ...

And Elaine ...

And Jeannie ...

And MosaicWench ...

And ... And ... And ...

I am going to stop now ... I have already worked myself into a serious depression ...

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Reply #45 - May 7th, 2009 at 8:26pm
 
Kate in Oz wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 9:26am:
Today I've been thinking about the reasons that I don't post much here...    

Like others have said, this place saved my life - really - we all know that saying that isn't necessarily an exageration!  

It isn't much of an excuse... and like I said earlier I've got many (and they are just excuses)... but please try to understand that some of us are not as strong, extrovert, able, whatever....  (offline I'm quite shy and reserved).  I will forever be thankful for the help that you have given to me over the years.   And whilst I don't post much, I am a lurker.  I do care about you all, I do try to keep up to date with what is happening....

Sorry that I'm not able to be more proactive,  



I hear what you are saying Barb...and I always listen to you (he sheepishly raises his hand, guilty your honor). Actually, most of the time I post (originally started '02-03 I think) is when (was) OUT of cycle (and I ALWAYS lurk). When in cycle I do not trust what I might say, feel like a whiny wuss, seem to view everything as how it relates to me, me, me (which really ISN'T me). Just don't know what to say in support. Sooo...I tell stories as therapy, with hopes they might interest or amuse or cause reflection for folks who REALLY need a distraction.

What Kate said above (and Kate, I love the handle and appreciate and look forward to your posts) could have come right out of my mouth, word for word. That's me....

And Cathi…you are eloquent and touching on that soapbox, must be a long legged bed!

"Some people are far more social than others, however, and when I have read in the past of sufferers who have hidden their affliction from even the closest family members, I can fully understand why they have no desire whatsoever to drop in here while out of cycle.
What their makeup is has nothing to do with their need for understanding and support, if they ask for it. This is a very personal disease. fact is, if they are reaching out, be it to give OR receive help, I think they deserve it.....this is about CH....and you just never know where a breakthrough might be found. Read, support, give take.whatever you can do.....coz, again, ya just never know!

Soapbox back under the bed.......

Cathi "  


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Reply #46 - May 7th, 2009 at 10:44pm
 
Well...what an interesting subject. Very sharp. Well put Barb.

A while back I started a thread titled "Silent Prayers". I don't support out loud enough. I can't think of things to say but silent prayers do go out. Knowing that something read by another is like...well.. two prayers, I'll see if I better my average in the future.

I continue to come here for the exchange and the laughs with an incredible cross section of people with a common nasty malady.

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Reply #47 - May 9th, 2009 at 11:52am
 
Well, since I'm one of the people that this thread is directed to, here I go with my explanation.  

I've been getting CH for 9 1/2 years.  I was formally diangosed with it 4 years ago.  I belong to a fair amount of online message boards/forums (mainly guitar [since I've been playing for 30 years], and ham radio [yes, I'm a techno chick - I've had a ham radio license for 31 years]).  When I found the old board in February of 2007, I'd had a couple of very nasty Kip 9 attacks, WHILE taking Prednisone, to help break a wintertime cycle (I'm episodic) that started when our unusually warm 40F January temps literally took a nosedive to -10F or -15F in the first week of February.  I was surprised and shocked that I was having CH while on Prednisone (I'd never had this happen before in the almost 2 years I'd taken Pred to stop a cycle).  So, I posted on the old board as a newb, a question as to whether or not anybody had ever suffered CH while taking Prednisone.  I found out that CH while taking Prednisone was not a rare occurrance.

But, my post ended up being like opening Pandora's Box.  People started asking me about my headaches - OK, fine and dandy, I told them.  That's when (I hate to say this) it got bad.  Sorry to say this, but the O2 missionaries piped up, badgering me almost non-stop, about how I NEEDED to use O2, and that my neurologist (a board certified headache specialist, director of a headache center, and Associate Proffessor of Neurology for the Medical College of Wisconsin) was an idiot becuse she didn't have me on O2 (I'd discussed it with her, and we'd both agreed that since my headaches weren't chronic and out of control, it wasn't necessary - I'd just waited too long to use the Migranol I use for an abortive, when I had my CH while taking Prednisone).  I asked people as the OP, if we could could just end the thread (and thanks for the information about CH during Pred usage) and "please stop telling me that I have to use O2."  That didn't work at all.  There were still certain hardcore people who continued with the O2 badgering, only now they also insisted that I was being foolish by not using it.  When that happened, I got fed up, and quit posting on the board in late Feb. 2007.

Why did I come back to the (now new) board?  I don't know.  I guess, because I'd just started a cycle this past March (the first time I've ever had CH in March), and I just wanted to talk (either commiserate or provide support), to somebody who's going through the same headache nonsense I'm going through.  CH is so rare, that other than online, I've never run into anybody else in person who also suffers from it.  That makes it hard at best to try to talk about it to the average person.  In most cases, they really don't seem to understand just how nasty CH is, and how it really can mess with your life.  But all of you - you've gone through it.  You know that it's like to live with CH and when I, or somebody else on this board has a Kip 9 or a Kip 10 attack, you KNOW just how BAD that is.  To the average person that means nothing, unless they literally see you suffering from the attack, those Kip values are almost meaningless to them.  Besides, I personally believe that support is so much better, when you get it from somebody who's going through or has gone through the same thing you're experiencing.  As long as I don't get badgered about O2 useage again, I will try to show up here at least semi-regularly (maybe not every day, but at least once or twice a week - I'm usually pretty busy).
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Reply #48 - May 9th, 2009 at 8:01pm
 
ellenjoanne wrote on May 9th, 2009 at 11:52am:
and ham radio [yes, I'm a techno chick - I've had a ham radio license for 31 years]). .



Not a ch'er, but a supporter, but I am a licensed ham radio operator, got my extra class license about 8 years ago.  Was real involved for several years until I burned out.

I can understand your frustration and aggravation with the O2 pushers (some do go a bit overboard).  HOWEVER, given that O2 is virtually harmless (well, unless you get stupid and light a cigarette while on the O2), and that it works so well  (in about 70 % of the cases) without all the nasty side effects, it's understandable why they push O2.  I would give anything if my migraines would respond to O2 (given that we have tanks here).  Anyway, this is like any other board, take the good and ignore the bad (just like the ham radio boards)

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Reply #49 - May 9th, 2009 at 10:54pm
 
Hi Carolyn,

I'm a young-oldtimer.  I'm 45 years old. I got my license back in 1978, and I've been an Extra since 1994.  Up until 2001, I was a VE too.  I go through phases with Amateur Radio, where I'm really into it, or (as is the case now, because I got over my guitar playing blahs) only very casually into it.  I also have 2 engineering degrees.  Yes - the O2 pushers do get a bit pushy at times.  O2 is great stuff, and for some sufferers, it's the only thing that will stop a CH attack.  I didn't mind the suggestions, but when I outright asked them if they could give it a rest (since I really didn't need the O2), they kept on going (which I didn't care for).  Nowadays, if I'm worried that somebody will bring up the question/accusation why as a longtime cluster headache sufferer I'm not doing O2, I'll add to my post the statement that please, I don't want to get into a discussion about why I'm not using O2.  

73 & 88,
Ellen - AF9J
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