Yup..!

I think they both work very well together. The added information allows for a better distinction between the intensity of the pain levels on each Kip level. This new scale would allow for people to better explain their levels of  pain whilst seeking advice and also in a lot less words.


Lefty...!

I agree, I think that the extra information is helpful.  I must say tho' reading through it was almost enough to trigger a hit for me.  It is all in my head 

I particularly think the low/mid level pain info could be helpful in explaining to others - or just figuring out where you are at.  Most of my hits are night time ones so often I'll wake at a 5/6 and it will escalate in no time at all to a 8/9 or whatever so... for that purpose it just frikken hurts!      

For mine, I think the more info the better.  (Considering it can take so bloody long to be diagnosed - over 10yrs for me - these sort of descriptions can be helpful).

Kate

P.S. pls excuse bad english - brain's gone to mush

Well done! It looks like a great addition to the scale.

Chuck (Ted),

not often I disagree with you……. (on cardinal issues)

BUT

The “old” KIP scale is a very good, comprehensive and straightforward tool,
that dose not need mending, changes, or modified to fit someone’s (or more)
needs, or as you say  to eliminate confusion that many of the newbie’s
have with the scale….  I was a newbie (about) 4 years ago, and if
I didn’t understand something about the scale, I have asked one or more of the
more “senior” members, and always got an answer…. or help with the thematic….

To "create" a new or "modified" scale is to reinvent the wheel…..

It is the same as with some posters that, at times extend the scale (pain level higher then 10),
something I find somewhat questionable, we should not change the system, in this case the KIP scale, just so we can fit it to our wishes or interpretation as we go.

Michael

Why not?
Before the kip scale there was nothing. If a couple more words will comfort someone and understand the malady a bit more why not?
I never met Bob but I'me sure he would appreciate the effort if it is helpfull.

Ok, this is me being diplomatic...

Kip wrote this scale about 10 years ago and it's served us well for a long time. I agree with Michael - we don't need to re-invent the wheel. It beat the happy/sad faces in the doc's offices and gave us a "scale" to go by.

I commend Ted for trying to explain it to newbies, but Michael is right again - ask questions and get answers. I think the scale explains itself and follows the principal of KISS (Keep it SHort and Simple).

What would Kip say about it?  "Don't sweat the small stuff - and most things ARE small stuff!"

Hugs BD

The reality is that PAIN is relative to the INDIVIDUAL.

The explanations are very good in that not all curse, run, rock or bang.

Some can be at a very high level and zone out.

A few saw me get wholloped while out at a nightclub a few years back during a convention. I geared back and zoned and pumped my leg while they ran for ice and other shit.
My eye was like kwasimoto but if I tried to say that I was at a 8 or a 9 someone would have said no way.

So whether it be tolerance levels are different or coping mechanisms are different,  a little verbiage can not hurt and it doesn't disrespect Kip either.

E

I say we keep it the way it is.....Lenny

To change with change is the only truly changless state.

I dig it.

I first joined the old board in 1999, but never had the priviledge of meeting Bob and Judy Kipple, although I read a lot about them.  Bob's scale helped me tremendously through that first cycle,although I wasn't sure what level I was reaching sometimes, particularly with the description of Level 6.  I read that scale as being woken with a hit, but being able to go back asleep.

I remember posting something about getting hit but able to doze back off somewhere around a level 3 or 4, and was blown out of the water by several members that this was impossible.  When I pointed out Kip scale 6 and said that even Bob was able to go back to sleep at a level 6, I was told that what Bob meant was that he was able to go back asleep after the hit ended.  This is not said in the description of level 6, so this was confusing to me.

In my opinion, I don't think the addition of further definition of each level would in any way demean the contributions that Bob gave to this site.  I think the more information provided, the more a newbie can attempt to learn about where he/she is at in a hit, and the better to be able to log into his/her journal with more accuracy. 

We all know that our pain tolerance levels are different, and the Kip scale is a tool to help us determine where we are in a hit.  The added description of these levels cannot hurt anyone, and may help many.

Sandy

Sandy_C wrote on May 24^th, 2009 at 3:55pm:


 I do not see where Bob Kipple's scale had been "adjusted" in any way.  His scale has been expanded with further definition.

You know I love you, just don't agree with you on this one.

I'm sorry.

Sandy
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Thank you for explaining the scale a bit more. I've only recently been diagnosed with CH and I've been trying to learn as much as I can. I've been trying to figure out the kip scale but after reading it over and over I couldnt understand after a certain point. That is because certain levels it explains about being woken up from the attacks. Well I personally very rarely get an attack while sleeping. My attacks come everyday during the middle of the day. So I dont know which ones would wake me up or which ones I'd be able to go back to sleep after. So thank you very much because I now understand completely.