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One effective way that I found that has helped me personally with my cluster headaches is by putting my bare feet in cold water. If I felt the headache coming on or if the headache was full-blown, I have relieved and shortened my headaches many times. I would go to my bathtub, run the cold water, take off my shoes and socks and just stand in the water, I would walk back and forth in the bathtub to keep that cold sensation flowing well around my feet. Sometimes the pain went away immediately, sometimes it would take a little time, also sometimes it would not go away but it would feel far better than it would have felt if I hadn't put my feet in the cold water. I would only need the water to reach up to about my ankles. Also, while I would be standing there in the water waiting for my headache to reside, I would turn on the shower and let the cold water just run over that throbbing vein on the left side of my head by my temple, I would hold my head there until the cold water would give me that icy burn, then I would pull my head out of the cold water and absorb the icy burning feel, it hurts but not as bad as a cluster headache. I believe that by feeling that different pain, it might take my mind off of the throbbing vein pain of the cluster headache. I'm no doctor and I do not know if these methods that I have used are good for me or not, but hey these are suicide headaches and I personally will try anything to stop that annoying throbbing pain. I really don't think cold water is bad for the human body anyway. To all you cluster headache sufferers, I feel your pain, your fear and dread. You really do fear going to work, when you are going through those possible weeks and months of pain. You really do not want your co-workers, family, or friends seeing you in such a weakened state. So try the cold water remedy when you're near a bathtub. Or I suggest getting a foot bucket, filling it with cold water or buy bottled water and maybe some ice, when abroad. In your car, you can keep a cooler and buy ice from the nearest store and you can cool your feet inside your car with your foot bucket. If you don't have a foot bucket handy and a throbbing cluster comes upon you, I suggest just getting a bag of ice and laying the whole bag across your throbbing vein and back of your neck until you feel that icy burn, and do it again and again until that damn cluster headache goes away.
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Reply #1 - May 31st, 2009 at 11:45am
 
My guess is the relief is being caused to some degree by the vaso constriction effect of the cold water, especially on the head! If you're finding a small degree of relief with this technique, oxygen will absolutely blow you away! If you haven't tried it yet, read the "oxygen info" link on the left and give it a shot. My abort times run 6-10 minutes with oxygen, compared to the 90 plus minutes I used to spend "dancing!"

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Reply #2 - May 31st, 2009 at 1:01pm
 
Terrence,

You mentioned "throbbing" five times in your post.  Cluster headache is almost never described as "throbbing".  Have you actually been diagnosed with CH?

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Reply #3 - Jun 1st, 2009 at 4:27pm
 
Throbbing means pulsating, look it up. The vein in my left temple pulsates, alot of people call it a stabbing pain in their head, mines throb. I have never been diagnosed for it because, I choose not go to a doctor about it, I like more natural remedies like massaging my stiff neck, or running cold water over my head, or sleep if I can get any. I have done research on headaches, and I have the same symptoms as those who claim CH. The pain comes back every year or so, it stays around 3-5 months, my left eye droops, it wakes me from my sleeps with these sharp pains, and this has been happening since 1994. I have marked my calender every day a headache would come and have done this for about 5 years and have seen a pattern of when they would come and go and come back. They are the worst pains I ever felt in my life and to know that it will more than likely come back tonight when I sleep or tomorrow when I wake is frightening but I take it like a soldier anyway. For instance, while I'm going through the worst of the pain sometimes, I will do things like clean my house or try to fix something around the house. It takes me alot longer to do these things but it seems like when I occupy my mind with something, even in my weakened state it makes me stronger and before long I feel better. It could just be a mental thing but it works for me.
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Terrence134 wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 4:27pm:
Throbbing means pulsating, look it up. The vein in my left temple pulsates, alot of people call it a stabbing pain in their head, mines throb. I have never been diagnosed for it because, I choose not go to a doctor about it...

Terrence,

Thank you for your suggestion, but I do not need to "look it up"; I know what "throbbing" means.  I also know that "throbbing" is typically not associated with CH, which is why I asked if you had been diagnosed with CH.  You answered the question.

Throbbing IS, however, typically associated with a number of other headache disorders, including complicated, hemiplegic, basilar type, and retinal migraines.  If you do suffer from any of these, and try to treat them with typical CH meds (e.g. triptans), you can end up blind, paralyzed, or dead, which is why it's important to know for sure what you've got.

Glad to hear that the feet-in-icewater treatment works for you - more power to ya!

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Reply #5 - Jun 12th, 2009 at 7:36am
 
Hi Terrence,

I also wonder if you really have CH to be honest.

" For instance, while I'm going through the worst of the pain sometimes, I will do things like clean my house or try to fix something around the house."

If i am in the worst of pain (and not even at the worst) i am on the floor moaning and trying to ' strangle'  myself to get some relief....begging for the pain to end. There is NO way i could do some cleaning or fixing....
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Reply #6 - Jun 12th, 2009 at 8:52am
 
Many people here have used cold - my freezer is stocked with several of those gel things to apply when I wake up at 3 am.  I usually apply to the face, forehead, or back of neck, but maybe there is some reflex that is triggered by cold water on the feet.

I can't even focus my eyes when I have a moderate level cluster - one side is quite swollen, tears are flowing, it is red, hot and irritated.  Not sure how you can do housework when it is at its worse.  When I have it on the upper end of the scale, the pain is all consuming.
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Reply #7 - Jun 12th, 2009 at 10:11am
 
Cold is my friend when I'm getting hit, and yes I've done the feet in ice water trick too.

Now, with very high flow oxygen therapy - I rarely have resort to any of my other little tricks to try and reduce the agony.
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Reply #8 - Jun 13th, 2009 at 12:12am
 
Globi believe me, I do get clusters, I know your pain buddy or I wouldn't be here. Migraines, nor any other types of headaches stick around for months and then go away and then come back again next year, it's gotta be clusters, unless it's some different form not known to science yet.
Man is put on this earth to deal with many situations, and I know you heard the saying "don't let nothing hold you down". Well, you can't let clusters rule you. Try, just try your very best to grab a broom one day when you are hit with a cluster. You're only on the floor because you put yourself there man. Being on the floor is not gonna make the cluster go away, standing up is not gonna make the cluster go away either. I tried to be productive one day when I had a terrible cluster headache, my eye was drooping, and hurting, my left temple pounding, I thought I couldn't think, but guess what? You can think, you're thinking about how bad you hurt and you're thinking, "please God, let this pain end". That day, I did some cleaning, I was stumbling, pausing, hurting, damn near crying, it took me forever to just clean one room but I kept going and before long the headache went away. It's mind strength, if you sit there and deal with the pain then that's what you're going to get "PAIN", now try not to focus on the pain, but something else. The mind is powerful man. It works for me. Grin Grin Wink
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Reply #9 - Jun 13th, 2009 at 7:43am
 
Hi Terrence,

I wonder. I've been reading some of your others posts as well. You've got your first CH attack in 1990......you thought it was jus a head ache.....   When i got my first attack i thought  was going to die because something was bleeding in my brain......or that i had a brain tumor.  4 years later you “knew something was wrong” ????

I have met too many people who have told me they have CH who didn't . And these are always the people who never had a doctor confirm they have CH.

Your description does not match what a ch patient goes thrue during an attack.  “ my eye was drooping, and hurting, my left temple pounding”  I would sign up for that every day.

It is NOT possible not to focus on the pain if you have a serious ch attack.  You should know that....
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Globi wrote on Jun 13th, 2009 at 7:43am:
It is NOT possible not to focus on the pain if you have a serious ch attack.  You should know that....

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Reply #11 - Jun 13th, 2009 at 12:06pm
 
Hey Terrence,

Good to meet ya!!  

Why not get a doc's diagnosis - esp. on something as seriously painful and awful as CH... ??  Don't have to get meds for treatment if you like natural remedies as you posted, but a Diagnosis??  When something is wrong with Me like this I wanna know for sure what it Is!!!!!

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Migraines, nor any other types of headaches stick around for months and then go away and then come back again next year


Just wanted to add a bit of knowledge I have on This matter - when I first started getting migraines they began in September and ended in May.  Then they began in September again.  They can be as seasonal as CH.  My migraines eventually got chronic - weekly irregardless of season for me, but this was my experience.  You can't rule Anything out on assumption that it isn't "how it works" - it is different for every person.  Wink

I hope you do find out for sure what you're dealing with - It can make a difference on treating it (naturally or medically) as well as what else might happen with your health down the road!

Headaches are crap any which way you look at them. Tongue  Hoping you have PF time.

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Reply #12 - Jun 13th, 2009 at 9:14pm
 
Hey, if it's migraines, then it's migraines, very bad migraines I might add. I've never met a migraine sufferer that has explained feeling the way I feel, mines feel like those guys you see suffering on youtube with the clusters but that's beside the point. I've been living with these cluster-like headaches for years now and dealing with them naturally, if they are not clusters then that is great. I may check out a specialist one day, but what if you're in a situation where there is no specialists, like the end of the world, alien invasion, war or Katrina  Smileyand you get a cluster attack? What you gonna do then huh? No oxygen tanks, no prescriptions, but you get a CH. It may not be happening where you live, but somewhere in the world there is probably someone dealing with a CH who is in a situation where they cannot get the treatment, so they more than likely try natural remedies, like massaging the neck, and head, trying to rest or just plain bearing the pain, man . I believe your own mind can do wonders, you just gotta unlock the right door with the right key. It's good to have a doctor and his prescriptions and diagnoses but it's also good to be able to survive yourself, just because there could be a time when you may not have those conveniences. Be strong my friends, be strong.
I bet you if I do get a diagnoses the doc will say it's cluster headaches, cause they hurt like hell dude  Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #13 - Jun 14th, 2009 at 6:49am
 
I am very sure you do NOT have CH.

Don't come with a story about "somewhere in the world .....somebody....."

YOU do not have CH and you have the guts to pretend you do and to give advise to people who do.   You told me "to take the pain like a man..."  If somebody would say that to me during an attack....in my face.....i am not sure what will happen.

Let me give you advise for once. Find yourself a forum with people like you......and leave us alone.

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Reply #14 - Jun 14th, 2009 at 8:57am
 
Terrence,

You will probably get continuing comments suggesting that you get a good diagnosis from a competent Neurologist. This is being done for the reasons that Kilowatt3 has already outlined – read it again – valid points.

I personally know two episodic sufferers that are fortunate and never get the real K9 or K10 monsters. They see others who do, read about the dynamics involved and freely agree that theirs are not like that. That doesn’t mean that they don’t have CH’s.

When reading how you deal with the pain, many of us will react the same as we would when someone says “take some aspirin, get back to work and tough it out”. I am not qualified to judge what is happening inside your head, but I will say that either you are the toughest SOB I’ve ever met, or you haven’t met a real K9-K10 yet.

And no, I’m not attempting to marginalize your pain – just pointing out the very real agony and “all consuming” nature of a true high level attack.

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As a follow up: Get some O2 to breathe at a rate high enough to hyperventilate for a few minutes. The actual number varies per person, but generally 25 liters per minute as a bare minimum - often much, much higher.

Used in this way, oxygen therapy has an incredibly high success rate for temporary pain reduction for Cluster Headaches. For some, it can take awhile to get the hang of it, but it is worth it.

You can do this via welder’s oxygen which several of us have been using for quite awhile. It is dirt cheap and exactly the same product as so called medical oxygen.

I can't think of too many things that I would consider to be a more natural remedy than oxygen.
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Reply #16 - Jun 14th, 2009 at 9:25am
 
Globi wrote on Jun 14th, 2009 at 6:49am:
I am very sure you do NOT have CH.
Let me give you advise for once. Find yourself a forum with people like you......and leave us alone.


Globi do you have the credentials to do a diagnosis over the internet.

Terrence I agree with the others however that some of what you describe doesnt fit what most of us experience but that doesnt yet mean you dont have CH.
There are a few suffers here that the CH pain manifests in ways unlike the rest. There are also those who found ways to easily eliminate the pains they do have.
Its allways a good idea to obtain a good and competent diagnosis of CH before any kind of treatment goes on.

That said if you were to elaborate on your symptoms a bit more (ie; frequency, time duration, intensity, locations of pain, how quick it comes and goes etc.., the good people here can and will steer you towards a solid understanding of CH. As well as a few natural aides that work for many.
Some here have a vast understanding of other types of headache as well that can be very close to CH.
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No need for that. It's just my opinion.
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Reply #18 - Jun 14th, 2009 at 12:05pm
 
.....and the danger of all of this is that the "outside world" sometimes....many times has a wrong view on CH. People with stories like "if i get hit bad.....i do some work around the house"  do not help.

Maybe i am a bit to hard......i am having a hell of a time last few days. Even de imitrex does not seem to do the job well anymore.

So Terrence..... For sure you have head aches.  I just REALLY doubt that it's CH.  Your story just doesn't match up. So....go to a doctor and find out what is going on.
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Reply #19 - Jun 15th, 2009 at 9:48pm
 
Okay, just gonna say here, I've had a k10, several of them. You can't function during them, but during lower level attacks, I'm more than capable of cleaning, more than capable of taking care of my nephews.

During a severe hit, I can't. I'll admit that outright, my Mom tells the kids not to touch me, and to let me be.

I do sometimes have throbbing in the veins of my left side of my face. I always assumed that was due to the vasodilation that we get from the cluster headaches... Expecially since DHE gets rid of it. As Mark said, he may have just not had a k9 or k10. That doesn't mean he doesn't have this condition. It just means he's a hell of a lot luckier than those of us who have endured that hell.

Terrance, get some oxygen like Mark said. It'll make your life a lot easier.
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Reply #20 - Jun 17th, 2009 at 12:54pm
 
Hi guys,

My dad was diagnosed with CH last Friday and a vein on his right temple becomes inflated... I wanted to know if any of you experience something similar.

I don't want to think he was give a wrong diagnosis.

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Reply #21 - Aug 2nd, 2009 at 3:23pm
 
Terrence, thank you for your wonderful tip.  I read your post this morning and when I got my shadow this afternoon I added it to my routine and it cut my recovery time down to just a few minutes.  I also put a piece of ice in my mouth, pushing it up against my palate, another suggesting I read somewhere.  I remember a time when I was quite young and had a headache.  My mother had me hold my wrists under the kitchen tap running cold water.  It worked!  It is wonderful to find such a simple, effective, drug free procedure.  Thanks for sharing it.
Some of the responses that you got remind me why I stopped going to AA.  Everybody thinks they know all there is to know and if you don't fit in their narrow definition of how it should be they will rail against you.  I've been a lurker here for about 6 weeks since I had my first attack.  I have been reluctant to post anything because of all the criticizing I see.  I'm sure there are lots of other lurkers that feel the same way and I wish they would speak up.  I came here for help and support with a life threatening problem and the last thing I need is someone telling me that I'm stupid, or wrong, or anything else, like I don't belong here. 
When I went to the doctor I told him I was having migraines.  He said no, you are having clusters.  I was in some moderate pain at the time so I told him “I don't give a **** what you want to call it, just stop the pain.  I didn't come to argue, I came for some help.”  Your advice was supportive and I am glad I got it.  Keep it coming.
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