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Jun 15th, 2009 at 10:56am
 
Hey everyone,

I am new to this site, but a long time sufferer of Clusters.  I am currently in my cluster period and I must say that most every night Since February has been a living HELL.  I am on preventitive medicines, Verapamil 480mg daily and Lithium 300mg twice daily.  For some time they seemed to work, either that or I wasn't in my cycle, but now it hits.  It seems like every headache I get now happens after I've been asleep for about an hour and they all seem to be worse than the one the night before.  I can't tell you how many times I have been woken up crying like a baby because the pain is so intense.  

I am sad to have had to join this group, but happy to know that there are people out there who know what I am going through.  Most of all of my friends, families and doctors have no clue what I deal with on a nightly basis and there response to me is "it's just a headache, take some aspirin and get over it."  I then tell them to research Cluster Headaches and let them decide for themselves if it's "just a headache".

I am currently seeing a Neurologist and have tried several different things to stop the attacks from happening and to also kill them when I get one.

I have been on O2, Migranal Nasal Spray, Stadal Nasal Spray, Hydrocodone, but the imitrex injections are the only thing that will kill "The Beast" , however I hate giving myself shots and the rx company wont let me have more than 6 shots every 75 days, and you all know if you're like me, we can go through 6 in no time at all.

If you guys and gals have any more suggestions, tips, tricks, methods of treatment I am gladly looking for them.  

My pain always feels like it is sitting on my right eye, some radiating pain down the nose and back of the neck.  It by far has to be the worst possible pain in the entire world.  I would much rather have to spend a day locked in a room with my ex-wife nagging the crap out of me again than deal with another headache, and believe me, I thought the ex-wife was painful.  But in all seriousness, I am hoping I found a new home with people that know what I am talking about with these headaches and thank you again for having this group available to people like me.


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Reply #1 - Jun 15th, 2009 at 11:19am
 
Glad you found us.

Sorry to start off raising a challenging question but... Your meds suggests a neuro who is not skilled in treating complex headache disorders. The dosing and use of pain meds are signals.
If you want to explore your options:

LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register  On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box.  Call 1-800-643-5552; they will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.
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See, in Rozen article, use of Zyprexa (olanzapine) as an abortive. Very effective for several of us.

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Here is a link to read and print and take to your doctor.  It describes preventive, transitional, abortive and surgical treatments for CH. Written by one of the better headache docs in the U.S.  (2002)
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Verapamil dosing now is quite low by CH standards. Print this article for your doc. This protocol has become widely used.

Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.  

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.

   Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).
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But also print for the doc. This sounds bad but, as the last sentences say, not so if you pay attention.

Source: American Academy of Neurology
Date: August 13, 2007
More on: Headache Research, Headaches, Pharmacology, Heart Disease, Diseases and Conditions, Vioxx

Drug For Cluster Headaches May Cause Heart Problems
Science Daily — A drug increasingly used to prevent cluster headaches can cause heart problems, according to a study published in the August 14, 2007, issue of Neurology®, the medical journal of the American Academy of Neurology. Those taking the drug verapamil for cluster headaches should be closely monitored with frequent electrocardiograms (EKGs) for potential development of irregular heartbeats.

Cluster headache is a rare, severe form of headache that is more common in men. The attacks usually occur in cyclical patterns, with frequent attacks over weeks or months generally followed by a period of remission when the headaches stop.

"The benefit of taking verapamil to alleviate the devastating pain of cluster headaches has to be balanced against the risk of causing a heart abnormality that could progress into a more serious problem," said study author Peter Goadsby, MD, PhD, DSc, of the National Hospital for Neurology and Neurosurgery in Queen Square, London, UK, and the University of California, San Francisco and a member of the American Academy of Neurology.

The study involved 108 people with an average age of 44. The participants started taking verapamil and then had an EKG and an increase in the dosage of the drug every two weeks until the headaches were stopped or they started having side effects.

A total of 21 patients, or 19 percent, had problems with the electrical activity of the heart, or irregular heartbeats, while taking the drug. Most of the cases were not considered serious; however, one person required a permanent pacemaker due to the problem. A total of 37 percent of the participants had slower than normal heart rates while on the drug, but the condition was severe enough to warrant stopping the use of the drug in only four cases.

Goadsby noted that 217 people taking the drug were initially supposed to take part in the study, but 42 percent of them did not have the EKGs done to monitor their heart activity. "Many of them said either they or their local services were reluctant to undertake such frequent tests, or they were not aware of the need for the heart monitoring," he said. "Since this drug is relatively new for use in cluster headaches, it's possible that some health care providers are not aware of the problems that can come with its use."

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by American Academy of Neurology.
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Explore the OUCH site (buttons left) for guidance on getting more Imitrex. Doc will need to write to the insurance co. but done commonly among folks here.
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For your learning:
 
Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Reply #2 - Jun 15th, 2009 at 4:50pm
 
Hi Bob,

Thank you for your response.  I just today found a doctor who is the headache guru in my area.  He is also a cluster head so that should be a great benefit to me as well.  I am not to keen on the pain meds, and the verapamil has seemed to lose its effectiveness as well as make my heart feel like its doing funny things.  I am hopeful that this new doctor will be able to understand, relate and treat the clusters since he has them himself it should make it better.  It is very hard for someone who has never had these to understand the sheer HELL we all go through when The Best strikes. 
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Reply #3 - Jun 16th, 2009 at 12:17am
 
JOEY B. wrote on Jun 15th, 2009 at 10:56am:
I have been on O2, Migranal Nasal Spray, Stadal Nasal Spray, Hydrocodone, but the imitrex injections are the only thing that will kill "The Beast" , however I hate giving myself shots and the rx company wont let me have more than 6 shots every 75 days, and you all know if you're like me, we can go through 6 in no time at all.

Hi Joey!

Welcome to the insane asylum family!  So sorry you have to be here, but glad that you found us mental defects.

You mentioned that you had tried oxygen, but it did not work for you.  Could you elaborate on how you used it?  The type mask, the flow rate, how long ago you tried it.  There have been some GREAT new methods of aborting with oxygen.

Please read the info, behind the tab, on the left side of your screen: oxygen info

Tell us how you used it, and maybe we can help you tweak your usage, and give you a cheaper, more effective, and safer method of aborting your hits.

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Reply #4 - Jun 16th, 2009 at 7:51am
 
Hi Joey

Welcome to the site. You seem to be on the right tracks as regards to cluster related medications. I would agree with Chuck as regards to the oxygen info to your left. I can abort an attack within 5 mins using 02 at a flow rate of 15lpm. You stated that you are taking large hits shortly after you fall asleep, well many on this site take a natural sleep aid called Melatonin. This helps to eliminate many of those very nasty night time hits as it allows you to sleep straight through till morning.

Joey, below is a link to another cluster related site, it may be worth you researching due to the fact it's treatments have had very positive results for many cluster headache sufferers. The choice is then yours because "knowledge is power".

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Reply #5 - Jun 17th, 2009 at 10:05am
 
Okay so the last few nights in my life have been nothing short of visiting the gates of HELL. 

One Monday night last week, I ended up in the ER with The Beast sitting on my eye and the pain was excrutiating.  Three nights later I am back, but this time the pain is worse than the time before.

I am on all the preventitive meds, have an appt with a new headache guy next week, to see about properly getting some O2, and out of Imitirex injections.

I am currently dealing with a headache now and had two more early this morning starting at 1am.  I am just about to my wits end with these God forsaken headaches, I can't wrok with, I can't sleep with, I can't explain to people who are clueless about them.

I sometimes feel I am on the verge of doing something really stupid when I have one of these things.  Does anyone else feel this way, does anyone else have any suggesstions to offer to help me cope with this horrible horrible problem.  I can't count how many times in the last two weeks I have curled up in the fetal position and cried like a baby because the pain was so intense.  I seem to be getting mine about an hour after i fall asleep.  Someone mentioned Melatonin, but I  am on that already for sleep related issues not associated with CH. 

I am desperate, this curse totally changes my whole being when I have one.  I hope I don't come across whining, but I can't handle these anymore.  It seems they hit me the hardest right after i fall asleep and I have gone as far as damn near pushing my eyeball back into my head just because that feels better than the CH.

I am looking forward to learning a lot from this group and from people who deal with this like I do.  It is so hard to get people to understand just what its like to have a CH and the pain involved in it.

Thank you all so much for this group and the kinds words and help advice that everyone has given not only to me, but new people who are joining.

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Reply #6 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 6:33pm
 
Hi Joey,

I hope you have had a better few days.  YES I can understand what you are saying about being afraid of doing something stupid.  We have all been there, and periodically if we are not careful find ourselves there again. 

I'm not one that normally gets hit right after going to sleep, but I cannot go to bed until I know I am through with them for the night as the ones that awaken me are to unbearable.  What I do when having a really bad time later into the night is to sleep sitting up in my Lazy Boy so that I don't sleep to deeply. 

Instead of Verapamil for a preventative since it seems to be bothering your heart you might look into Kudzu.  Go to the Meds and Treatments section and do a search for it.  I started using it several years ago instead of Verap, and think I get about as much relief and have no side effects from it (other than a little gas).

You are not whining!  That is why we are here.  You need a place to vent adn no one else CAN understand what you deal with.  If you start whining someone will be sure to tell you! Grin

The thing you have to remember when you are curled up in a ball trying to turn yourself inside out is that "This to shall end!"  It always does, and you will not die from it without helping yourself.  I have begged God to let me die, have asked my wife to help me die, but I'm still here, and now that I have learned to deal with my CH I love life!  Try to find something outside of yourself that you can focus all of your attention on while being hit.  I know it sounds impossible, but it DOES help to focus away as much as you can.

An energy drink slammed at the very onset of an attack can also help to ameliorate the pain, if not to knock it out altogether.

Hang in there.  You are not alone.

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