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Reply #25 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 8:09pm
 
Yep, you are right B....too much.

But here they are, talking about ways to fund health care.....tax sugary drinks 10%, my beloved beer....more taxes, smokes....more taxes, fatty fast food....look out, it's coming.

Why not legalize this stuff.....(as they have basically done in Cali) and raise money that is otherwise funding criminals? You kill two birds with one stone (so to speak)? Smiley
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Reply #26 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 8:53pm
 
BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Jun 20th, 2009 at 6:57pm:
I'm not justifying it.  I'm saying the government gets too much damn money all around.  
We have too many taxes.  


well one way you could look at it is millions of your tax $$$ would be saved by not incarcerating smugglers, and growers. smuggling would be obsolete. and many people in southern ohio, kentucky, and west virginia who no longer have jobs mining coal or driving coal trucks a\or heavy equipment would have a source of income so less blue coller working families would be on welfare. its a win win for everybody. not to mention all the great things that can be made from hemp. keep in mind thomas jefferson, ben franklin, and george washington all grew hemp and used it wisely way before dupont ever came along.

whether they tax it or not i dont care. pot is as easy to grow as tomatoes. if someone is not ambitious enough to grow it they can pay the tax.
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Reply #27 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 11:41pm
 
BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Jun 20th, 2009 at 6:14pm:
I dont think so, Bro.
The gist of what I quoted from you is most certainly not constitutionalist or conservative.  You say to regulate it, restrict it, tax it.  Thats the opposite of constitutionalist and conservative.


Depends how you look at it, Bro.  In this case, I am talking about regulating it instead of criminalizing it.  Certainly, my stance is a step in the direction of both conservative and constitutionalist views.  I believe we have a God given right to choose whether or not this is something we want to use. However, I believe we have a moral obligation to protect the general public from irresponsible use, so the restrictions, much like alcohol and tobacco, are appropriate.  You seem to have confused me with Libertarian, which I think goes too far.  I think the current misguided laws make criminals out of ordinary people, and legalization is something that would save us billions with the court system, jails, enforcement and many other areas where we spend crazy money.  The taxes, you pretty much have me there, I hate new taxes.  However, we tax alcohol and tobacco, and I'm asserting pot should be in the same category, so taxes seem appropriate.  Not only that, since 100% of our legislators are coin operated, this would help legalization get a push.

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Reply #28 - Jun 21st, 2009 at 2:33pm
 
What we do is kill the D.E.A. which is the most useless thing ever created. It's done far more harm to the country as a whole than good, is punative toward many of the wrong people and an incredible drain on the budget.

William F. Buckley wrote in National Review years ago, that dealing with drugs on the supply side just doesn't work.

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Reply #29 - Jun 22nd, 2009 at 5:06am
 
wildhaus wrote on Jun 20th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
[quote author=7669657476657432746F757273000 link=1245288986/17#17 date=1245520755][quote author=6E74756E67626E6C6C687272686E6F010 link=1245288986/16#16 date=1245520042][quote author=2F31343C30392D2B580 link=1245288986/15#15 date=1245486505]No! I did not use cannabis!!!


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I smoke Winston’s (mostly) and that is killing me.....  so
not likely I will start to scent my cigarettes with “fresh herbs”
and kill my self even faster......




As Dr McCoy would say, "GOOD GOD MAN! You're condemning marijuana - which is NOT addictive, and you smoke a drug that is twice as addictive as heroin! You don't have to be Spock to know that it is illogical to condemn what you do not even understand."

No offense, but I think you've watched "Reefer Madness" a few too many times.

I'm alll for legalizing it. After all, I have never smoked a joint, got violent or blacked out, started a fight, wrecked a car, forgot who I was, or HAD TO HAVE IT EVERYDAY! I do think it should be taxed (that would bring in alot of tax revenue), there should be age limit restrictions.

Some people drink beer like there's no tomorrow - yet it is socially acceptable - but is a DRUG never-the-less. The only reason prohibition was lifted was because we were in dire straits and needed the tax revenue. The only reason marijuana was made illegal was people saw "Reefer Madness" and thought it was a true-to-life portrayal of how it affects people. It was a farce, but people bought into it as 'evil' and it became outlawed.

What is it that made you try cigarettes and become addicted to it? To me it seems you fear that if you tried pot, you'd become addicted, become crazed, or something.

Not aiming this at anyone in particular but, if you drink alcohol and yet condemn pot as a drug - you're fooling yourself.

As you said, the Winston's are killing you. Tobacco is one drug that SHOULD be illegal. Why isn't it? Because, once you're hooked, you're HOOKED! Tobacco companies have increased the amount of nicotine gradually over the years to make it almost impossible to quit. That's guaranteed tax revenue at the expense of shortening your life. Big tobacco owns you.
As far as pot goes, I can take it or leave it, and have never, ever EVER had withdrawls, DT's or gone half insane without it. But cigs... If I ran out and couldn't get any for a day or so... I'd be digging through the ashtray looking for a butt big enough to get a puff or two out of to 'get my fix of nicotine' - in true 'Marlboro Madness' style.

I'm with Johnny in that, I do NOT advocate coke, heroin, and am VIOLENTLY OPPOSED to meth, as it has ravaged too many peoples lives. Meth doesn't just kill its users. I've had two friends murdered by meth-heads. One was a good friend who came home and walked in on his home being robbed. They panicked and stabbed him to death!
I had to quit a band because they got ate up in meth so bad that, just last year my old guitarist got so ate up on it that, when he couldn't find any, he began cooking. He is now in prison for the remainder of his days - which saddens me but, had he not got busted, he would be dead soon.

This time last year, a guy named Nicolas Sheely went on a murder rampage that ended 8 peoples lives and what was REALLY scary is, he was caught by the police less than 2 miles from my house!

I'm not saying "Go try some pot", all I am saying is to be open minded. It isn't for everyone, but it isn't this evil drug that people make it out to be.

I'm sorry, but when you mentioned you smoke cigarettes... that struck a nerve.   Undecided
People should have the right to choose.

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Reply #30 - Jun 22nd, 2009 at 5:25pm
 
From some reporting read over a year ago, distribution organization, management, and practice seemed still helter skelter, bit of a dark side.
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Reply #31 - Jun 22nd, 2009 at 11:28pm
 
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I believe we have a God given right to choose whether or not this is something we want to use. However, I believe we have a moral obligation to protect the general public from irresponsible use, so the restrictions, much like alcohol and tobacco, are appropriate.


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