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Better treatment, better hope
Jun 30th, 2009 at 3:27pm
 
Hello CH Friends,

I am back since my cycle in 2005-2006.  Last cycle in Fall 2007 I did not visit this board, for various reasons I won't detail.

First, let me thank all of you who recommended keeping a detailed diary of headaches, meds, etc.  I have learned a great deal from 8 years of CH journalling, most significantly the rhythm of my cycle, which allowed me to predict my 2007 cycle within 3 weeks, and the next cycle I expect in July 2009.  So I will repeat the mantra:  KEEP A CH DIARY.  Some doctors will appreciate it as well.

In April I phoned New England Center for Headache, and fortunately was squeezed into a canceled appointment in June, just weeks before the Beast's awakening is expected in July.  NECH understands and cares.  Dr. Sheftell is an amazing advocate for CH care.

Previous cycles were treated with prednisone and Imitrex (oral tablet).  My insurance allowed Imitrex injection 2 times per year (useless).  I have a ~30 day cycle so the other preventives didn't make sense to those doctors.  There is a list of other meds tried with no help; the worst experience was with Topamax (Dopamax).  Dr. Sheftell shook his head.

Dr Sheftell's plan is two-fold:
PART 1
A.  Start verapamil immediately.  160 mg per day for 7 days, then double to 320 mg.
B.  Get sumatriptan (generic) injections to prepare for first attacks.  Any BS from pharmacy or insurance he would bulldoze, and assured me I would get the medication I need.  I have the starter kit and 1 refill ready.

If the verapamil can take hold before the cycle starts, he is hoping it could block the entire cycle (there isn't a smiley big enough to fit here), or at least significantly reduce the intensity & duration of a cycle.

PART 2 - If CH attacks occur
A.  Use the sumatriptan injection to abort as needed
B.  Begin prednisone taper immediately
C.  Fill O2 prescription immediately.  Tank should be delivered next day.  I already have the O2PTIMASK.
D. Start using O2 instead of the sumatriptan to abort attacks.  He suggested starting at 10 LPM, up to 12 LPM.
E.  Call NECH for counseling and adjustment of verapamil and prednisone dosage.

This is the first time I am trying verapamil.  This will be the first time I try O2 (if CH attacks hit); same for sumatriptan injection.

This is the first time I feel like I am under the care of a doctor who knows and understands.  20+ years later.  NECH and Dr. Sheftell are a blessing indeed.

Taking verapamil, waiting, hoping my newfound optimism lasts.  Full news story at eleven.

Cheers,
Fox

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Re: Better treatment, better hope
Reply #1 - Jun 30th, 2009 at 5:30pm
 
Awesome news! 31 years of cycles here, I've also found the best result from using a 2 pronged attack. Your first prong is the preventative, your verapamil. (I use lithium). Then your abortives, sounds like you have your ducks in a row for this attack.

The only thing I'd comment on is the flow rate of the 02. We tend to recommend starting at 15 LPM and going upwards to 25 LPM. Your mileage will vary, if 10 LPM keeps you from inhaling ANY outside air, then it'll work well as an abortive. If you find the regulator can't keep up with your breathing, you'll need a higher output.

Verapamil is enjoying a great success rate on the board, hoping it works as well for you.

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Reply #2 - Jun 30th, 2009 at 6:21pm
 
Good for you. Glad you got the lowdown. 02 first, trex if it dont work.
all the best
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Reply #3 - Jun 30th, 2009 at 10:59pm
 
Kick ass! I too am on a permanent steady diet of Verapamil. 480mg/day and have been for 6 months now. It works great at lessening the severity and duration of a hit that squeaks through. I too have the 'Trex tubes for emergency, but ONLY if I can't get to the O2.

Oxygen is a bad mofo to say the least. 40LPM here and it's gone in 2-3 minutes, depending on that Kip value.

All hail Oxygen! I'm glad to hear you're taking the beast by the 'nads this time. Kick him where it counts once for me. Good luck and PFDN.

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Reply #4 - Jul 4th, 2009 at 12:07am
 
Yep, Verapamil it is for a preventative.  I've been on Verapamil (first at 240 mg/day, then 360, and now 480 mg/day) for the past 4 years.  It doens't always stop the headaches, but it does help keep the cycles spread out.  Good Luck!
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Reply #5 - Aug 3rd, 2009 at 1:43pm
 
Cycle update:  I started taking verapamil about 2 weeks before my next cycle was expected to start (early July).  320 mg per day.  So far I haven't had 1 CH attack, for which I am very grateful.  However in early July I did feel the signature "tug" at the corner of my eye that signals the start of every CH attack I've had.  This was a milder tug, that never manifested into anything worse.  Methinks the beast was knocking, but verapamil wouldn't let him in.

Shortly after doubling the verap dose (1st week was 160 mg / day) to 320 mg, I noticed veins bulging in my feet, hands and arms.  I'm a skinny guy with normally visible veins, but these were BULGING.  A fews days later a stining sensation in my palm left a black and blue mark.  Doctors said BP and EKG were good, and that the B&B mark did not look serious, but keep a watch and don't stop the verap.  This week other black and blues have shown up, veins were popping up all over, and there are signs of light nosebleeding.

Doctor is now tapering me off the verap faster than planned - reduce by 80 mg /day every 5 days. 

My cycles typically run 30-34 days, so I am hoping it is safe to get off the verap at this point. 

Not a single attack, never had to user the triptan injections or O2, but the bulging/bursting vein thing spooks me.

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Reply #6 - Aug 3rd, 2009 at 3:28pm
 
i use 460mg verapamil and 900mg lithium as prevenative.
my abort is o2 25lpm then energy drink and a trex shot

as you see alot of us are in the same boat
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Re: Better treatment, better hope
Reply #7 - Aug 3rd, 2009 at 4:43pm
 
Crossing my fingers you're done with the beast! Amazing how puny he looks when you're well armed!

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Re: Better treatment, better hope
Reply #8 - Aug 3rd, 2009 at 7:30pm
 
My only advice is to stay ready for the unexpected.  The headache diary is great but you do have to know that CH can change on you in an instant.  So, as I said, enjoy the pain free time but be prepared for the unexpected. 

The good news is that we have seen people go years without a cycle.... so sometimes the surprises are GOOD.
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