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Jul 1^st, 2009 at 9:44pm

Just to show you how far the idiots and their lobbyists in the politburo will go to control you and take away more of your freedoms…

The 1,400-page crap-and-trade carbon tax legislation pushed through by princess Pelosi and her politburo contains a new federal policy that residential, commercial, and government buildings be retrofitted to increase energy efficiency, leaving it up to the states to figure out exactly how to do that.

This means that homeowners, for example, could be required to retrofit their homes to meet federal “green” guidelines in order to sell their homes, if the cap-and-trade bill becomes law. The text of this terrible legislation outlining the retrofit mandate follows: Notice how the idiots in the politburo and the lobbyists who wrote it try to disguise the title of this new power to control you…

BTW... The idiots in the politburo are to stupid to write this detailed legislation let alone read and understand it… If you want to save the Nation, put a bounty on lobbyists.

8 (h) IMPLEMENTATION OF LABELING PROGRAM.—
9 (1) IN GENERAL.—The Administrator, in consultation
10 with the Secretary of Energy, shall work
11 with all State Energy Offices established pursuant to
12 part D of title III of the Energy Policy and Conservation
13 Act (42 U.S.C. 6321 et seq.) or other State
14 authorities as necessary for the purpose of implementing
15 the labeling program established under this
16 section for commercial and residential buildings.
17 (2) OUTREACH TO LOCAL AUTHORITIES.—The
18 Administrator shall, acting in consultation and coordination
19 with the respective States, encourage use of
20 the labeling program by counties and other localities
21 to broaden access to information about building energy
22 use, for example, through disclosure of building
23 label contents in tax, title, and other records those localities
24 maintain. For this purpose, the Administrator
25 shall develop an electronic version of the label

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1 and information that can be readily transmitted and
2 read in widely-available computer programs but is
3 protected from unauthorized manipulation.
4 (3) MEANS OF IMPLEMENTATION.—In adopting
5 the model labeling program established under this section,
6 a State shall seek to ensure that labeled information
7 be made accessible to the public in a manner so
8 that owners, lenders, tenants, occupants, or other relevant
9 parties can utilize it. Such accessibility may be
10 accomplished through—
11 (A) preparation, and public disclosure of
12 the label through filing with tax and title records
13 at the time of—
14 (i) a building audit conducted with
15 support from Federal or State funds;
16 (ii) a building energy-efficiency retrofit
17 conducted in response to such an audit;
18 (iii) a final inspection of major renovations
19 or additions made to a building in
20 accordance with a building permit issued
21 by a local government entity;
22 (iv) a sale that is recorded for title and
23 tax purposes consistent with paragraph (8);
24 (v) a new lien recorded on the property
25 for more than a set percentage of the assessed

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1 value of the property, if that lien reflects
2 public financial assistance for energy
3 related improvements to that building; or
4 (vi) a change in ownership or operation
5 of the building for purposes of utility
6 billing; or
7 (B) other appropriate means.

Start calling your Senators now and tell them to VOTE NO on this invasion of your freedoms or seek employment elsewhere come election time.

Take care… And BOHICA!

V/R, Batch

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Detailed Idiocy Reply #1 - Jul 1^st, 2009 at 9:51pm I'd only take issue with one of your descriptions, Pete. They're not idiots. On the contrary, they know EXACTLY what they're doing.
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Reply #2 - Jul 1^st, 2009 at 10:06pm

OMFG!!

First they made appliance manufacturers label the dishwashers and air conditioners so that consumers would be aware of approximately how much energy it cost to run them for a year - and our economy nearly collapsed as a result!! Now they want manufacturers to treat quarter million dollar houses like they were toasters and disclose how efficient they are?? And they are 'encouraging' county governments to start including this information in the tax records? It is an outrage - the county can can tax my swimming pool, and require permits if I want to remodel, but they will never get me to reveal how much insulation is in my attic! Never!! Because freedom is at stake, and they are trying to nail Americans to to the stake!! They will not crucify us on their cross of energy efficiency, because we are united in our opposition to it!!!

Admit it people - it all started with those tags on mattresses - "Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Law!" That was the beginning of the end for America.

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Reply #5 - Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 1:50am

If we as a country can save 10 million barrels of oil, a mountain of coal or a billion therms of nat gas a day why not. Might just reduce a few wars as well.

If we can save in our government institutions, and facilities 10s of millions a year in energy costs why not. its our money.

If we can mandate business to implement energy saving programs during new construction and lower the end costs of goods sold and add dollars to the bottom line why not.

If we can cut our new home utility bills 25-75% with a little guidance why not.

If we can cut the need for constructing dozens of more mega power generator plants why not.

Energy is all our future and getting control is a must.

Besides my company does a lot of business with energy management,retrofits and upgrades. I,m all for it. Wink

Now if we could just get "all" those new mega million dollar wind farms and generators connected to the power grid that were built with our tax dollars and eliminate the need for redundancy when the wind dont blow. Theres something to complain about.

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Reply #6 - Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 1:51am

Melissa wrote on Jul 1^st, 2009 at 11:27pm:

Next thing you know they'll only be allowing us a certain kind of toilet paper to wipe our asses with.

Angry

i hear tree bark, sandpaper, and poison ivy have already made the list.

i wonder how my house would rate in heating costs. my woodburning furnace is pretty cheap. all that landfill space i save by burning wood i should get a tax credit. i should also get a tax credit for my old 78 f250 i use to haul it around with. think of all the cheap plastic crap the put on trucks these days that ends up in the landfill too.

in california and oregon they already have a law again the use of heavy truck with anything older than6 or 8 years which means all those mechanically fuel injected engines that last over 1.5 million miles are replaced engines entirely cotrolled by electronics which means higher operating costs and puts small trucking companies out of business. the teamsters union already put small companies and owner operators in the port of long beach in the name of environmental protection. however big non union companies like swift and schnider get to set the standards. these companies are major contributors of the american trucking association. the ATA is a lobbyist group controlled by mega trucking fleets. they meke bulshit laws gears toward putting hard working independant owner operators out of business.

the ata tends to lean to the right and as we all know unions lean to the left. the independent, hard working, mechanically inclined owner operator sets his sites high know that the cards are stacked against him on the left and the right. sorry guys. everything in my world ties in to trucking.

thanks for the post pete. hope i didnt get to far off topic

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Reply #7 - Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 2:01am

monty wrote on Jul 1^st, 2009 at 10:06pm:

Admit it people - it all started with those tags on mattresses - "Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Law!" That was the beginning of the end for America.

I wonder if anyones ever been penalized for that. I've been watching over my shoulder in a semi paranoid state for years.
Is there a mattress task force similar to gang intervention programs out there or what?
I'm glad i'm not single in that aspect as I would be suspicious that every new mate might be a mattress narc.
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Reply #8 - Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 2:50am

MJ wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 2:01am:

monty wrote on Jul 1^st, 2009 at 10:06pm:

Admit it people - it all started with those tags on mattresses - "Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Law!" That was the beginning of the end for America.

I wonder if anyones ever been penalized for that. I've been watching over my shoulder in a semi paranoid state for years.
Is there a mattress task force similar to gang intervention programs out there or what?
I'm glad i'm not single in that aspect as I would be suspicious that every new mate might be a mattress narc.
Huh

mattress narc Grin

i think once you get it in your house you can do what ever the hell you want to do with it. the the whole idea behind the tag was so consumers wouldn't be buy a product containing something they might be allergic to right?

as far as the codes go it seems that these codes are created by people that don't know their asses from a hole in the ground. last winter my 54 y.o meter box exploded. i wanted to run 200 amp wire from my weatherhead down to the meter box and it was illegal. they wanted my to buy 60 amp wire. so the money i spent on the wire would have been wasted when i go to upgrade the house to 200 amp for the house. my seasoned electrician i hired was old friends with the inspector and i got what i wanted. so instead of safety it came down to politics. i think that the point petes trying to make here is that this legislation takes the rights away from home owners and gives it to yur local officials. people that don't really much about the trade but have a keen sense of laws and regulations.

making our homes more efficient is great but greasing the wheels of the local officials to cut the red tape is going to be costly.

another example. a friend of mine wanted to built a barn to park his tractor in. nothing more. the guy that gives building permits at the county courthouse 30 miles away told him on anything larger than 400sf he had to have concrete footers 36 inches below grade and rebarb reinforced floor no less than 4 inches thick. so his simple weekend project turned into a big pain in the ass.

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Reply #9 - Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 8:47am

Melissa wrote on Jul 1^st, 2009 at 11:27pm:

I'm more concerned with the FDA's babysitting of the general public in regards to acetemenophin.

Angry

Why? They recommended two things that may save a few hundred lives a year, and they are not banning acetaminophen or making it difficult to use it; it is a useful OTC drug when taken appropriately. The proposals are:

1) that acetaminophen be 'uncoupled' from other medicines, like opiates in vicodin ... people start off taking 2 or 3 vicodin a day, and as opiate tolerance builds up, they sometimes move up to 20 or 30, which contains enough acetaminophen to damage the liver. People who are in extreme pain and/or are addicted don't always think about the danger of acetaminophen. If the opiate is prescribed separately, then people can take as much of each as they need with less risk. If they are going to take a high dose of the opiate anyway, why force them to take an inapropriate dose of acetaminophen - that proposal to uncouple would actually increase freedom.

2) That the typical dose be reduced. We know that many people usually eat as much as fits on the plate, or more - and that they can be encouraged to eat more reasonably just by decreasing the size of the plate. There is still an open buffet for those that really need more - just take two smaller servings. We know that people assume that if one dose is good, and they are really in pain, then 2 or 3 doses might be needed. By simply reducing the strength of the typical tablet, the risk of overdosing is also reduced.

They also pointed out that many forms of acetaminophen syrup for infants are actually more concentrated than those designed for older children (as it is often harder to get a small infant who is sick to take anything). Mothers tend to administer dosages based on teaspoons and tablespoons, not on abstract milligrams. This can result in overdosing older children when a house has children of different ages. If the FDA requires a standard strength preparation it will not interfere with peoples ability to give acetaminophen to their kids responsibly, and it will decrease the chances that some kid is given an accidental overdose.

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Reply #11 - Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 11:04am

From my reading; the latest is that about 50% our energy goes to construction of, maintenance of, and livability of buildings. To me, doing something to ease up on the last two items seems pretty neat. Even if such a thing were mandated.

"Star Energy Saver" new appliance rebates that are currently used, are something I like too. You don't have to use those rebates, you know. Guvmint lets me decide to be stupid if I like.

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Reply #12 - Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 12:07pm

Melissa wrote on Jul 1^st, 2009 at 11:27pm:

Sorry Batch, I'm more concerned with the FDA's babysitting of the general public in regards to acetemenophin.

Next thing you know they'll only be allowing us a certain kind of toilet paper to wipe our asses with.

Angry

Here in Oregon, we are no longer allowed to use dishsoap which contains phosphorus. It's a key ingredient, but we are no longer allowed to make the choice of which kind of soap we want to use.

Toilet paper isn't far behind.....cuz here in Oregon we have a shortage of trees......

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Reply #13 - Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 1:33pm

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 12:07pm:

Here in Oregon, we are no longer allowed to use dishsoap which contains phosphorus. It's a key ingredient, but we are no longer allowed to make the choice of which kind of soap we want to use.

It's only a problem because that phosphate washes into the rivers, where it triggers the explosive growth of nasty slime. At some point, people need to choose between whiter whites and rivers that don't look and smell like sewers.

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In the mid 1960s, many of the nation's rivers and lakes were rapidly turning green and choking with aquatic plant growth. A primary reason for these deleterious changes in water quality was the high levels of phosphorus, one of several major plant nutrients, found in domestic and municipal sewage effluents. The principal source of effluent phosphorus was from phosphates used in laundry detergents.

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Reply #15 - Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 5:39pm

You clowns are out of date. They've been talking of phosphates screwing up our water for decades. It's been banned all over the place, even around our little country. You've been able to buy phosphate-free detergents and soaps for years. It's an example of early "green" ideas and most people think it's a good one.....even if mandatory.

Phosphates are known as one of the few environmental issues that can easily be dealt with.

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Reply #16 - Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 9:01pm

If you want to save the Nation, put a bounty on lobbyists. Quote:

Chevron and American Petroleum Institute paid millions to employ a lobby strategy with an opposing design aimed at how the average American will have their pockets picked by this one. Our working class living expenses burdened more with food, transportation, and lower pay if it passes, and they, the white knight trying to help families in this trying economic time. Lobbyists now, formerly employed in the Bush-Cheney transition teams.

With a bounty, what would their parroting tools do for planted conversation thought.

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