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Reply #25 - Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:53pm  
Brew wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:41pm:
Statistically, when you don't go with the flow of the traffic around you (either too fast or too slow), you are more likely to cause injury or death to yourself or others.

Any cop will tell you that (if they're being honest with you).

Honestly, what is the flow of traffic?? People are doing whatever seems right in their own eyes - one person's doing 70, another 80, another 90, so what is the flow of traffic? How is this regulated??
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Reply #26 - Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:56pm  
You miss the point entirely. I'm talking about safety statistics.

But go ahead and make your point in the left lane.
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Reply #27 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:01am  
Linda_Howell wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 4:50pm:
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Left lane for passing only.


I know I'm in Kentucky now Ted, but in Calif. the left lane...at the speed limit or not...were/are reserved for passing slower vehicles only.  


Uh... did you get that out of the CA vehicle code??
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Reply #28 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:06am  
Brew wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:56pm:
You miss the point entirely. I'm talking about safety statistics.

But go ahead and make your point in the left lane.

Please forgive my ignorance and enlighten me on this. So, it's NOT speeding that kills, but slow drivers?? Just what are the stats (give supporting rationale) on this? I'd really like to know.
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Reply #29 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:55am  
TedtheBear wrote on Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:06am:
Brew wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:56pm:
You miss the point entirely. I'm talking about safety statistics.

But go ahead and make your point in the left lane.

Please forgive my ignorance and enlighten me on this. So, it's NOT speeding that kills, but slow drivers?? Just what are the stats (give supporting rationale) on this? I'd really like to know.

BTW, I did make my point - in my OP!
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Reply #30 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 7:38am  
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Reply #31 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 7:40am  
Cathi_Pierce wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:08pm:
So,
Just because you choose to drive at warp speed, breaking laws. people are sposed to accomodate you? I, too, have a leadfoot-BUT, it is up to me to adjust my speed/lane if I choose to break the law-I never expect anyone to 'assist" me!  Now, give me one of those 'below speed limit drivers in MY fast lane'? TAKE THEIR HEADS OFF!  
Think of it this way, Marc, you rob a liquor store.should the clerk offer you a bottle of his best as you leave, guns blaring?
Hints of arrogance if you ask me...........THEY are following the law, are YOU? Why should they go anywhere?
PS- No tickets, no accidents.......err, except one seatbelt ticket Roll Eyes
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You paint a picture of an aggressive driver, which I am not. I do not tailgate, nor flash my lights to get them to move - I simply wait it out and go around.

Instead of an analogy with a liquor store robbery: Picture yourself driving 5 mph over the limit in the middle of the desert, then coming up on two drivers side by side doing exactly the maximum limit.

Eventually traffic stacks up behind, while there are miles of open road ahead. I see the guy in the fast lane as arrogant, not the folks in the parade behind him.

Difference in perception I suppose.
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Reply #32 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 7:41am  
TedtheBear wrote on Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:06am:
Brew wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:56pm:
You miss the point entirely. I'm talking about safety statistics.

But go ahead and make your point in the left lane.

Please forgive my ignorance and enlighten me on this. So, it's NOT speeding that kills, but slow drivers?? Just what are the stats (give supporting rationale) on this? I'd really like to know.

You have Google.
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Reply #33 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 8:38am  
the best i ve heard about driving is from a UK campaign if i remember well

defensive driving gives time to see and to be seen.

and this sums up everything for me.We are not driving alone but with others too and we all should do our best for everyone to arrive home safely and not elsewhere.speed should be adjusted according to traffic and circumstances.keep the necessary break distance from the car in front and whatever time you have estimate to arrive begin 20 minutes earlier.
the rest as i am fast,i am good driver,i haven't got a ticket till now..sorry but in my ears sounds like pride as the worst will only happen once.

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Reply #34 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 9:10am  
I drive in the left lane about 70% of the time.  Then again, I'm in central WI....Polish country! Wink
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Reply #35 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 10:10am  
Well when you visit down here Mel............don't do it. If caught, you will get a citation. Tongue
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Reply #36 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 10:16am  
Jimi wrote on Jul 9th, 2009 at 10:10am:
Well when you visit down here Mel............don't do it. If caught, you will get a citation. Tongue

Thank you for the tip Jimi. Smiley


(btw, to clarify why I'm in the left lane so much, it's because a lot of people around here like to go anywhere from 5-30mph UNDER the speed limit...even more for combines, tractors, shit spreaders, dump trucks, etc. Grin)
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Reply #37 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 10:36am  

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You paint a picture of an aggressive driver, which I am not. I do not tailgate, nor flash my lights to get them to move - I simply wait it out and go around.

Instead of an analogy with a liquor store robbery: Picture yourself driving 5 mph over the limit in the middle of the desert, then coming up on two drivers side by side doing exactly the maximum limit.

Eventually traffic stacks up behind, while there are miles of open road ahead. I see the guy in the fast lane as arrogant, not the folks in the parade behind him.

Difference in perception I suppose.

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I CONCEDE! That's a no brainer! Deserted washboard roads crossing the desert are exempt from speeding laws, aren't they? Honestly, any kind of speeding, we all know, is against the law, but we know this and take each incident individually, as intelligent, considerate(I take back the arrogant part) drivers.
Last time I was on the 405Fwy(headed HOME from Orange County, CA), a car attempted to occupy the exact spot I was in, as he cranked his wheel to get wehre I was, he saw me and tried to correct........ he flipped his car-and everyone sped past me. Southern CA and Northern CA drivers make me crazy!

I'm not half as concerned about speed limits as I am about the agressiveness of some drivers-it can get really scary out there.... maybe the resson I speed is so I can get home safe!!
I dunno......
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Reply #38 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 11:17am  
TedtheBear wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:48pm:
Lobster wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 10:20am:
So even if the right lane is clear, you drive in the fast lane because you are going the speed limit.  Is that accurate?

A trick question??
If the right lane is clear for a good distance I MAY choose to drive in that lane, just as I MAY stay in the fast lane. It's my choice!

No trick... you answered my question.

You may cruise in the left lane.

We may classify those who inconvenience others simply because they can as wankers.

TedtheBear wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:48pm:
It's my choice!
... to be a wanker.

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Reply #39 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 11:54am  
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Uh... did you get that out of the CA vehicle code??



There are signs all over the freeways and highways, especially I-5 that say.  "keep right, except to pass."
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Reply #40 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 5:55pm  
IF speed is such a major factor in wrecks and fatalities, why isn't the fatality rate on the Autobahn in Germany much higher?

FYI, cell phones, eating/drinking are strictly prohibited on the autobahn and all traffic rules are heavily enforced.  Cruising in the left lane is also banned.
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Reply #41 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 6:33pm  
TedtheBear wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:33pm:
Folks!
The MAX Speed Limit IS the MAX Speed Limit - period!! The problem is that were a bunch of law breakers (Yes, myself included!!!), and our actions are NOT justifiable - we just think that we're smarter than the average bear (no pun intended!).
It's NOT the people in the fast lane doing the speed limit that are a hazard, but the folks that just want to do what is right in their own eyes.
When laws are not enforced (whatever the reason may be) you can expect lawlessness to be the norm. That's what has happened!
I'm coming around, hope you will too.


I am sorry but are you an officer of the law and do you block the left lane in that capacity? If not why is it your job to police that lane.

If you stay in a lane that is meant for passing just to prove a point and the person coming up on you, flipping you off and cussing at you does not care about your point. WHAT IS THE POINT? other then being dangers to other traffic around you.
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Reply #42 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 6:50pm  


Lets all simmer down here now.

    Traffic in Los Angeles/palmdale  is totally different than in WI.  or anywhere else for that matter except NY maybe.

I believe Ted is wrong in his assumptions but then again I've been where he lives and traffic is a road rage and a PITA of major proportions.

With everything going on in the world right now....lane possesion is NOT of the upmost importance.
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Reply #43 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 7:20pm  
Agreed. Plus.....there is always the breakdown lane if someone won't move over.  Grin
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Reply #44 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 7:38pm  
Folks!
One final post (from me!). My point -  which I did drive home (no pun intended) is the one I mentioned earlier - I.e. that we're all a bunch of law breakers (myself included). As such we defy what the MAX Speed Limit is! After all, aren't we autonomous? Don't we THINK for ourselves? So, at best, we take the Max Speed Limit as merely a suggestion; at worst, we ignore it altogether.
I asked earlier what is considered to be "the flow of traffic" when people are doing whatever speed that fits their scheme of things, but received NO answer. How is this "flow of traffic" regulated?
For the record, I'm not some arrogant A**HOLE!! who just wants to PROVE A POINT.
I know full well that what I've said does NOT sit well with a lot of people, and I understand why - the norm is to do that which is right in our own eyes. So, again, if the majority of folks are speeding does that mean it's right? NO!! Who says? The law!! Like I said, I'm coming around - hope you will too.
Above all I wish you all PFDAN
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Reply #45 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 7:55pm  
Leave earlier. Enjoy the ride.

I often wonder, on the way home, how many people are in a furious hurry to get home and do absolutely nothing? I mean are they going home to finish up on their calculations for the Unification Theory?

Turn up the music real loud and live it up. Then again, I drive through a pine forest on the way home. Disturbing the peace is about all I'd get ticketed for.

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Reply #46 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 7:57pm  
TedtheBear wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:48pm:

If the right lane is clear for a good distance I MAY choose to drive in that lane, just as I MAY stay in the fast lane. It's my choice!


NO, it is NOT your choice!  The LAW says to stay in the right lane, unless passing!

I am glad that you are on the left coast, and not here on the right coast!  People like you piss me off to no end!  PULL over to the right lane, unless you are actually passing another car!!!

And don't tell me to go ahead and pass you on the right!  THAT is dangerous and against the law in most states!

North Carolina drivers seem to not teach the stay right rule when teaching drivers!

Me?  I set my cruise control to 8 or 9 miles over the limit (Yes, OVER the limit) and ALWAYS stay right, except to pass.  I have not gotten a ticket in YEARS!

I have heard cops say (about speeding): "9, you're fine, 10 you're mine ..."

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Reply #47 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 8:03pm  
Racer1_NC wrote on Jul 9th, 2009 at 7:20pm:
Agreed. Plus.....there is always the breakdown lane if someone won't move over.  Grin


Thank goodness for that - I sometimes force slower drivers over to the shoulder or center median when they won't yield for me to pass. If that lane wasn't there, they would be in trouble!  Wink

Seriously, the thing that pisses me off is not speed per se, but the refusal to vary speed according to conditions.  Just drove home through the monsoon, and some people wanted to drive 'normally' even though visibility was piss-poor and there were areas of standing water - hydroplaning while the guy in the next lane is laying a tsunami on my windshield is not so fun, but it is much better at 35 mph than 70... and the people that are still doing 70 are major assholes that endanger everyone.
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Reply #48 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 8:17pm  
TedtheBear wrote on Jul 9th, 2009 at 7:38pm:
Folks!
One final post (from me!). My point -  which I did drive home (no pun intended) is the one I mentioned earlier - I.e. that we're all a bunch of law breakers (myself included). As such we defy what the MAX Speed Limit is! After all, aren't we autonomous? Don't we THINK for ourselves? So, at best, we take the Max Speed Limit as merely a suggestion; at worst, we ignore it altogether.
I asked earlier what is considered to be "the flow of traffic" when people are doing whatever speed that fits their scheme of things, but received NO answer. How is this "flow of traffic" regulated?
For the record, I'm not some arrogant A**HOLE!! who just wants to PROVE A POINT.
I know full well that what I've said does NOT sit well with a lot of people, and I understand why - the norm is to do that which is right in our own eyes. So, again, if the majority of folks are speeding does that mean it's right? NO!! Who says? The law!! Like I said, I'm coming around - hope you will too.
Above all I wish you all PFDAN
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I think your point is that you enjoy messing with people for no apparent reason.

I'll fess up to being one of your fools on this thread.

No more.
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Reply #49 - Jul 16th, 2009 at 9:59am  
  I can't keep my Trike past 58 mph for any length of time, and they won't let me on the freeways anyway, except in Oregon, so I always stay to the right. Except to pass, it surprises me how many people drive 35-45 on a 4 lane 55 mph secondary road. Doesn't stop me from having a good time.
  Ted you're probably a Wanker, but maybe its your place in life to serve as a bad example. Its your Karma. But if you see the top of my flag in your rear view mirror would you please, lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.

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