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Up late getting my butt kicked again...
Jul 11th, 2009 at 1:16am
 
Hey everybody...I have had chronic clusters for 10 years now and have had plenty of dark moments.  Admittedly, I have had some success over the past 4 years in coping and have been able to live a fairly normal life.  Most people I am close with (friends and family) know my story and to be honest, they are pretty damn understanding, so I feel lucky.  I have been with the same girl for 5 years and we just recently married a few months back.  She is pretty much a saint and has seen me in my darkest hours many times.  I respect her a lot because I feel I lost a previous relationship due to these headaches.

I became a red bull chugger about 4 years ago and I must admit, it doesn't beat the worst of my headaches but it certainly has been a huge control for me if I catch them early.  I have a pretty common regimen I stick with on the red bull and I take in absolutely no other caffeine during the course of the day.  (Ironically, I was completely caffeine free for two years by doctor recommendation prior to  the red bull...Suffice to say I was getting my a$$ kicked at least once a day during those times.)  With my chronic headaches I generally have had some kind of shadowing or headache everyday for the past 10 years.  Granted, the first 6 years I was getting KIP10's anywhere from 3-5 times a week and now with a little knowledge I can generally fight off and only get the really bad boys a 2-3 times a month (when I am rebounding back to back,etc.)

ANYWAY, sorry to be long winded, but I have a list of questions I would like to ask...Some are serious, some are light hearted and some are just out of curiousity..Hope you respond..

1) I feel blessed to have found something that has helped me so much (red bull), but I know long term it's neither a healthy nor realistic alternative.  Im wanting to give the 02 a shot and try to ween myself off the red bull.  Has anyone else done this?

2) I am a foreman for a construction company and work outside daily, I was promoted to a job that spent much more time behind a desk and talking on the phone.  Within 3 weeks I asked for my position back outdoors again because within 2 hours of sitting down behind the desk I was fighting off headaches in rapid fire mode.  It's odd, dry heat and sitting in heat make me instantly feel a trigger...Yet working in the heat, I can often go full days without ever even shadowing..On the other hand I go into a cool office (which generally I live in front of the ac during my headaches) and boom I am getting mauled with triggers...Anyone else with these experiences?

3)  If I am at home I keep a barbell and dumbbells around and have them loaded with a heavy enough wait that I will be challenged greatly.  At the first sign of headache I will pound out 4-6 sets of 10 with something very challenging and often times I actually beat this monster.  Do you have something that you do other than medicate, that you feel is very effective? I would love some other alternatives.

4) How many of you guys have actually quit drinking because of CH?  Before the headaches I was a social drinker and occasionally got drunk.  I can say, I have pretty much given up on drinking altogether now...Theoretically, that's a great thing, but I hate the fact that I can't have a glass of wine with my wife or a beer with my buddies or a drink at a dinner party. 

5) Do non common weather patterns completely dominate you?  Example:  Middle of summer average temp is around 93 degrees and sunny all the time where I am...Yet once in a while we will have a weird week right during the middle of the summer where it will rain heavily and the temp will drop into the low 80's all week.  It's during these times where I get completely crushed with high level clusters and mad rebounds,  Is this common for you guys?

Few light hearted questions...

6) Who do you dislike more "the beast" or the guy who insists on trying to talk to you and carry on a conversation while you are obviously in pain but trying to suck it up and make it through the work day?

7) Have you ever had to explain to your friends, etc how you got a black eye , after accidentally hitting yourself a little to hard during an attack?

8) Lastly, do you find yourself frustrated when you are talking to someone who has migraines and they say "I know exactly what it's like, the only thing that works for me is going home and laying in bed in complete darkness and sleeping it off?"  It's not worth explaining to them that it doesn't work for clusters and if you attempted to laydown and sleep it would multiply it.

9)  Do you ever wish that you could project 1 hour's worth of your kip 10 headache on your dumbass doctor who keeps misdiagnosing you and basically doesn't have a clue as to what you are going through or what they are talking about?

That's all, thanks guys!
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Re: Up late getting my butt kicked again...
Reply #1 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 3:45am
 
Just wanted to say hi from another chronic up late getting her butt handed to her!  Oh and I see your kinda new so also welcome!

My hubby used to be an asst. super at a construction outfit until he was laid off. He said he is DONE with construction.  HE starts a new job tomorrow thank god!

Your questions

2)Heat is a trigger for me when I'm in high cycle even though I LOVE warm climates.  (I'm stupid like that) So I hope someone else can answer that for ya.
3)I've heard alot of ppl find exercise a good prevent for a headache, not me cause the body heat that comes with worsens the headache but you are not alone some ppl run when they feel a h/a coming on.
4)I still drink just not in high cycle.  I don't know about others.  As long as my head is it's normal self I can drink.  BUt NOT when it's out of control (like it has been for going on i thnk 4 weeks now, or atleast for 3)
5)Of course the beast but damn the person trying to talk to me while I'm practically dying in pain and trying to remain 'normal' I just want to strangle and he/she has no clue
7)I've never bashed my head during an attack, I've thought it over and over.  I've pressed things into my eye very hard but never bashed my head.
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Well that's about all that I can finish hope your head calms down, and you can get some rest!
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Reply #2 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 11:36am
 
Your journey thus far sounds all too familiar! I used to go for a hard run when I felt an attack coming on, it would reduce the intensity several clicks. The Red Bull didn't work for me the couple of times I tried it.

DO TRY THE OXYGEN! I've all but eliminated my trex useage with oxygen. I can abort an attack in 6-8 minutes using oxygen, been a miracle abortive for me. Read the "oxygen info" link on the left as it must be used correctly.

I got transferred inside and didn't notice any effect on my headache patterns. But HUGE differences in triggers are not at all unusual in CH. On cycle, I simply don't drink. It's begging for a hit for me. (By on cycle, I'm an episodic, HA's come in 2-3 month cycles. On cycle I can't touch alcohol, off cycle I drink socially no problems)

The weather change trigger is VERY common on the board. And the friends and workers that don't understand, I tell them they're blessed to be so clueless as even explaining a KIP 10 hurts me!

Welcome to the board, you're among people who know what you're going through, let's get your treatment going in a positive direction! Wink

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Reply #3 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 5:39pm
 
Hey Tara Ann and Guiseppi,

I appreciate your responses and taking some time to welcome me here. Upon reading posts here, it seems that spirits are pretty high considering this crazy monster we all fight.  Not a whole lot of "why me" responses in here and that helps me honestly because I thought that way for a long time and still battle with it sometimes.  I think most here have accepted that this is going to be a part of their life forever, but you can fight back a little bit and still be a great living breathing productive person.  I wish you two the very best of luck and happiness!
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Reply #4 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 5:52pm
 
Oh I get down!!!! Mid cycle I used to get so frustrated I wanted to curl up fetal and cry in my room! Fortunately there's always someone here to kick me in the ass and get me up and running again.  Wink I need that sometimes. And thanks for the wishes, rigth back at ya!

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Reply #5 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 10:27pm
 
Welcome aboard!  Wish you didn't need us!

Good introductory post!  It makes it a lot easier to respond when we have some info about you to work with.

Oxygen has been a lifesaver for many here.  Read the info in the "oxygen info" button to your left carefully.  If you don't use it properly it is useless, but often those who have tried it unsuccessfully in the past when it was done a bit differently have gotten relief with it now.

Working construction physically you keep yourself at a peak level of hard work and concentration for long periods of time.  When you went in to the office you were sitting and relaxing.  You may have been keeping yourself pressed mentally, but not physically.  The change is likely what brought on the extra attacks.  I know I get hammered a lot harder on the weekends when I'm home and don't have the pressure and the work of during the week.  Even when I try to stay busy I don't have the stress and pressure of the job to keep me going.

Exercise is a good abortive for many of us, but for others it intensifies the hits.  What you need to do, as you have done is to find what works for you and follow that regimen.  I know I would stand on my head in the middle of the street if that is what it took, and lifting weights is good for you anyway.

Weather changes can be a real trigger for many of us as well.  I know when we get unusually hot weather I get it worse, although like you if I am working in the heat it doesn't seem to affect me the same way.

I dont drink, so I can't speak to that other than I know alcohol is a major trigger for most episodics.  I know several chronics though that it does not affect at all.

I know what you mean about the one who wants to talk to you while you are dealing with a big one.  The migrainers who think they understand are a different breed altogether.  I understand migraines hurt, and hurt badly!  I used to get them as a kid before they morphed into CH, but there is NO comparison!  For one thing the pain is totally different, and not just in intensity.  What you have to understand with them is that the worst pain one has experienced personally is the worst pain they can understand.  It is much like trying to explain blue to a blind man.

Again, welcome aboard.  Hope this helps.  Please read, read, and read some more.  There is more info available here about CH than in a Med school.

Jerry
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Reply #6 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 6:31pm
 
Hi I am really glad to meet you and really sad you need to be here. Well I am up tonight getting my butt kicked as well. I have Cluster headaches, Migraines, Trigeminal Neuralgia and Chronic Persistent Daily Headache and I am my doctors worst nightmare so she tells me. Giggle. However tonight all 4 of the smarmy brats have flared up and I cant pace because of the migraine and I cant stay still because of the cluster and the tn is on both sides of my face so I cant even sit and hold my head and cuss. So I took my medication and am sitting here riding the stupid thing out.

I am fairly new to CH and do not know all my triggers yet but I have noticed that smoke, alcohol and lack of sleep are all triggers for me. I am not looking forward to finding out about the temperature changes. I live in Denmark and the temps are rarely that high here but in the winter with the wind blowing in off the sea and the cold is so wet it chills you to the bone I pretty much want to become a bird and fly south for the winter.

When I have a CH I usually crochet to take my mind off my pain. If I do extreme physical excercise I will throw up and or pass out from the pain. I used to lift weights about 5 years ago and boy do I miss that! I think I will try and get some weight cheap and go for it again. I also play a game called marble cannon on my phone to occupy my hands during an attack. If I run around the house and bang into things it scares my DH and my cat so I try not to pace or anything during an attack. I just get mean, kiss the cat, ignore the man and hide in my bedroom.

I am sure I was not much help but if it helps to know you are not alone then here I am!

Hi from across the Atlantic, Sophia
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Reply #7 - Jul 29th, 2009 at 9:22am
 
Are there no pain clinics or special centers, 4 headaches in one body can wear physical and psychical strength from body! I am sure it would from me.

What have you tried so far Sophia? What works what does not? Have you considered some shots into nerves?

Greetings from across the Baltic Sea (Poland)
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Reply #8 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 3:01am
 
Hi Matty, My docs have decided that I need a week in the hospital for yet more tests and observation. I am just waiting on the letter saying when I go.

I have tried the best headache and pain center in Denmark (so I am told but dont believe it) and they could not help me after less than 2 years so they said I was incurable and sent me back to my regular doctor. She was outraged and called them back! Right now she is doing pain management with me until I get to the hospital for the cursed tests. One of which will be to drill a hole in my skull, insert a meter and test my fluid pressure for 24 to 48 hours. I am NOT happy about that one but my doc is the lady with the good pain relief so I just do what she says (unless she recommends a shunt to drain off excess fluid and then the answer will be no because I dont want anyone cutting on my back!)
DH has been complaining about all my pain lately because it keeps me at home and in bed whining most of the time when I am not trying not to yell and scream in a cluster.
Yup tiring stuff but I manage. Thanks to my really understanding doctor and looking forward to treatment for depression next month.
Waving at you from the other side of the Baltic, Sophia Smiley
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Reply #9 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 3:45am
 
SportsFan1 wrote on Jul 11th, 2009 at 1:16am:
6) Who do you dislike more "the beast" or the guy who insists on trying to talk to you and carry on a conversation while you are obviously in pain but trying to suck it up and make it through the work day?

The one trying to carry on the conversation - but then it isn't their fault unless I've asked them to leave me alone. My wife knows to gtfo when the beast is around. It's not like sound is amplified or anything, but voices and speech, especially directed at me, is just incredibly annoying while I'm having an attack. I have an overwhelming urge to be alone.




SportsFan1 wrote on Jul 11th, 2009 at 1:16am:
9)  Do you ever wish that you could project 1 hour's worth of your kip 10 headache on your dumbass doctor who keeps misdiagnosing you and basically doesn't have a clue as to what you are going through or what they are talking about?


I'd be satisfied with just a few seconds worth. I think that's all it'd take. Nothing personal, and I know you're kidding, but you'd have to be a sick s.o.b. to wish a full 1 hour CH attack on someone. I'm 100% behind water boarding terrorists and other enhanced interrogation techniques, but I could never wish this stuff on someone - even the idiot doctors responsible for prolonging our misery.  Again, I'm not preaching at you, and I know it was meant in a lighthearted way - I'm just saying it because the very thing is something I've thought about.

A few seconds would make a good but hesitant doctor get busy - the rest would never see you again I guess.  Grin
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