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Jul 27th, 2009 at 7:02pm
 
It's been bad lately....Yesterday, my wife wife would not take no for an answer after back to back episodes, and she made me go to the ER.
I've been having these "headaches" now for 8 years. Never fewer than 1 per week, and usually about 2-3 per week. Almost always occuring between 6-8 PM, and occasionally during sleep. I can (until yesterday) pretty much set a stopwatch and know that it will all be over in 30 min on the dot. It starts with a twinkle of pain in my left temple and within 3 min I'm in full blown 10 on the pain Richter scale writhing in agony. I don't throw the 10 around lightly, as I'm no stranger to pain. At age 36 I have lived an adrenaline fueled lifestyle full of gnarly wipeouts. I've broken both legs and both arms twice!!!The only pain that was comparable to my headaches was when I snapped my collar bone the second time playing ice hockey.

Eight years ago, I got into a minor physical altercation with a co-worker that I got the better of. About 30 min later, he came back and hid beside the storage bin with a thick steel piece of gas pipe and proceeded to beat me nearly to death with it as I stepped out. My skull was cracked in 5 places and my sinus passage had been badly damaged. When I came to and tried to blow the blood out of my nose, blood squirted out of my eye. Ever since then, I've been dealing with the most extreme pain I've ever experienced on a regular basis.

I am the kind of guy who only goes to the doctor when I break something, but after a few months of the headaches, I finally went to see a doctor. Looking back now, I remember him telling me stories of his own brief bout with cluster headaches, but he never said that was what I had, so I never did any further research on them at the time. He sent me to a neurologist who proceeded to put me prescription meds to deal with the migraines. He tried 3 different ones and none of them helped my headaches. All of them made me feel like a zombie. I only remember the name of one which was depakote. I quit taking the third pills he gave me and never went back again. I just accepted the fact that my head had been smashed one too many times and I would be dealing with the pain forever.

Since then I have been blessed with the best wife I could have ever dreamt of, and she does her best to help me through the pain.(I met her about 3 months after the head injury, so she has been through my whole experience with me) All she can do though is make sure I always have a cold pack available and bring it to me when I get the first shadows of pain. She can even see it coming because the vein in my temple swells and pops out. It's become instinctual for her to look for, and spot early signs.Lol, I knew for sure the two of us would be growing old together a few years ago, after a motorcycle accident and a week in the hospital she brought me home and had to take complete care of me, which included cleaning my back side. EEEK!!! But she did it all with a tender and loving touch, and has been very supportive of my life pains.

The last few months have been particularly bad. While I've never gone more than two weeks without a headache, I usually only get 1-2 per week. Lately, however, they have been at least every other day, and often on back to back days. Yesterday was wierd, because I had one at noon. They usually don't attack me until evening. Then after about 45 minutes of relief, I got another one that lasted 1 1/2 hours which has never happened before. It was then that my wife finally said "bullshit!!!You're going to the ER!!!" She mentioned our three daughters and wondered what they would do without me. I finally reluctantly went to the hospital.

By the time I was at the hospital, of course the headache was gone. That was a good thing, because it's not like I was looking for pain relief, so they knew I wasn't just a junkie, I just wanted to get a head scan to make sure there wasn't a tumor or something like that. Scan came back normal, thankfully, I guess. The doctor asked alot of questions and then went to call a specialist friend of his. He came back a little while later and said that they believed I had chronic cluster headaches. He said that the absence of any recession periods was rare, but that it is possible to have these headaches without the breaks. He prescribed a med that lowers your blood pressure and said that some people have had success with that. He also mentioned oxygen but said that may be the next step if the other meds don't work. I'm afraid to take the meds because he warned me of dizzyness and light headdedness, and I work in construction, and spend alot of my day on a ladder.

I came home last night from the hospital and was up till 4 AM reading this site. The first time I read through the front page it had me in tears. I couldn't believe that other people were going through exactly what my wife and I go through on a weekly basis. The descriptions were almost word for word, the way I try to explain my headaches.

Here's how my episodes go:
- Get first shadow of pain
- Vein in left temple swells and pops out
- Within three minutes pain starts near my temple and feels like an ice pick slowly being pushed into my skull
- It slowly gets tweaked and heads for the back of my eye socket, then travels down behind my ear and down my neck a little. It never leaves the temple and the eye, just keeps growing.
- By then, I hopefully have a cold pack that I am pressing into my head as hard as I can and I'm writhing in pain
- I lay on the couch or my bed and kick and punch the poor piece of furniture and myself for some hope of a distraction from the pain that can't be stopped. Last week I nearly broke the armrest off of our couch from pushing it with my legs.
- Thirty minutes of this nonstop, and then...
- It's gone!!!  I put the ice pack back in the freezer and go back to my daily routines a little drained.

So far no attack yet today, but the night is still young. If not tonight, I can pretty much guarantee tomorrow it'll be back. One thing about my little devil, he never let's me down, he always comes over to hang out for a few.

Johnzo...
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Reply #1 - Jul 27th, 2009 at 9:38pm
 
Glad you found us.  Keep reading.  There is a wealth of info available.  Let me first of all point you to the "oxygen info" button on the left side of your screen.  It is in yellow to make it easy to spot.  Oxygen is the number one abortive for many of us, and can knock out a hit in just a few minutes if used properly.  Until you can get that a Red Bull or other energy drink with taurene in it if slammed down at the first sign of an attack can help to alleviate it for many of us as well.

It sounds like your Dr was talking about Verapamil.  That is a blood pressure medicine that has helped a lot here.  I used to use it, and didn't like the side effects, so I started using Kudzu, an herbal remedy, that is over the counter.  Go to the Meds and Treatments board of the "old m-board" button on the left and look for posts about Kudzu.  In particular there is a long one started by Nani that is quite informative.

Hope this helps.  PLEASE feel free to ask questions.  that is why we are here.

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Reply #2 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 10:16am
 
Given your history, especially the head trauma, really would encourage you to find a headache specialist.

LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box.  Call 1-800-643-5552; they will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.
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In any case, starting to learn the basic of cluster will help. Suggest printing he entire article and then, also, exploring the buttons (left) starting with OUCH and the multiple internal links there.

 
Cluster headache.
From: Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register (Orphanet Journal of Rare Diseases)
[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Reply #3 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 1:34pm
 
Thank you guys for the replies. I really appreciate the help. I will look into O2, but I don't have insurance, so I'm not sure I can afford it. I also am concerned about possible side effects. I don't want to create a whole new problem by putting a bandaid on it and ending up with lung problems. I will do more research to see if you guys/gals have experienced negative effects. I am going to see an herbalist today that has amazed me before with his ability to heal with natural products. I will ask about Kudzu.

I am also afraid of going to the doctor. I don't like pills and the inevitable side effects that most come with. I would rather deal with the pain then just transfering to another ailment. As bad as it is, I have pretty much just learned to deal with the pain. Not having insurance adds to the reluctance to go to the doc. I have Insurance for my kids, but can't afford it for me and my wife right now.

I don't want to get flamed for this, but I want to be as honest as possible and I have nothing to hide or be ashamed of. I have been smoking marijuana daily since I was 16. It has helped immensely with my other problem of severe social anxiety. (I am in CA and have a prescription) What I've noticed is that the frequency of attacks increases greatly when I have taken breaks of up to 1 month from smoking. I normally get 2-3 per week, but when I go on a smoke free break, the attacks happen daily. I suspect it has something to do with stress triggers, and smoking all the time keeps me relaxed. Luckily I have a friend who grows, so I get my herb for free. Smoking during an attack does not help, and in fact, makes the attack worse. I have never smoked cigs, and have also given up drinking, because alchohol almost always triggers an episode.

Thank you all for your concern, and help, it feels good to know there are people that know and care about what I go through. If there is anything I can do to help anyone out of this hell, I will. Hopefully just talking about and sharing ideas can help others out.


Johnzo...

P.S. Last night was bad again. All day and evening with no episode. I actually started to think that the awareness of the disorder was making my brain fix itself. But my little buddy was just late last night, and he made it up to me with back to back attacks at 4:00 and 5:30 AM  Sad......

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Reply #4 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 1:55pm
 
Regarding the safety of O2: ask Batch, he knows all about it.
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Reply #5 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 4:07pm
 
Re. "finding headache specialist". Use #3; they may be able to direct you to a free/low cost clinic; also call your local United Way office.
===== Re. your long term use of pot. See last para in following:


Report of a study (from MEDSCAPE.COM):"Patients With Anxiety Disorders More Sensitive to Bodily Changes"

Sept 16 - Patients who have anxiety disorders appear to be more sensitive to bodily changes, which in turn suggests that the perception of panic attacks is reflective of central rather than peripheral responses, according to the results of a study published in the September issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry.

"Physiologic responses of patients with anxiety disorders to everyday events are poorly understood," Dr. Rudolf Hoehn-Saric and colleagues from the Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions, Baltimore, write. They compared self-reports and physiologic recordings in 26 patients with panic disorder, 40 patients with generalized anxiety disorder, and 24 nonanxious controls during daily activities.

The subjects underwent four 6-hour recording sessions during daily activities while wearing an ambulatory monitoring device. The team collected physiologic and subjective data that were recorded every 30 minutes and during subject-signaled periods of increased anxiety, tension, or panic attacks. Primary outcome measures included recordings of heart inter-beat intervals, skin conductance levels, respirations, motion, and ratings of subjective somatic symptoms and tension or anxiety.

Compared with controls, patients with anxiety disorders rated higher on psychic and somatic anxiety symptoms. Patients with anxiety disorders also rated themselves higher on disability scales and on sensitivity to body sensations. Both patients with panic disorder and those with generalized anxiety disorder experienced diminished autonomic flexibility and less precise perception of bodily states.

Patients with panic disorder had a heightened sensitivity to body sensations compared with generalized anxiety disorder patients. Autonomic arousal levels were slightly higher in patients with panic disorder, and this manifested itself in faster heart rates throughout the day.

"These findings suggest that, after having experienced anxiety attacks that are associated with strong bodily changes, patients become sensitized to such changes and may experience physiological symptoms of panic attacks..." [In effect, their bodies are acting as if there was a threatening condition even when this was not the case.]

The investigators note that the diminished autonomic flexibility found in both panic disorder and generalized anxiety disorder patients may result from dysfunctional information processing during heightened anxiety that does not discriminate between anxiety-related and neutral stimuli.

"It is important to measure physiological responses and not rely on verbal reports," Dr. Hoehn-Saric added. "A demonstration that physiological responses during anxiety attacks are milder than perceived can be reassuring to patients," he said. "However, the long-term effect of diminished physiological flexibility is unknown."

Arch Gen Psychiatry 2004;61:913-921.
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Imagine a person who is afraid of, for example, dogs and can experience an anxiety attack by thinking about meeting a dog or even seeing a picture of a dog. (Or, replace "dog" with your own feared thing/experience.) The anxiety is NOT being caused by a real life experience, in this situation (the thought or picture). The mental and body reactions which we call "anxiety" are a kind of habit response which are very real in their effects, however. Anxiety produces mind and body reactions which are measurable and have a real impact on how we function (and even on long term health of the body). 

The anxiety becomes an automatic response, beyond direct control of will. With this development, the person has experiences (anxiety) which are confusing or misleading--they cannot separate the real life threat from their body's automatic ("I'm in danger!") reactions. When dealing with cluster, for example, the effect of this anxiety reaction (and this is true for depression also) is that the person has increased sensitivity and reduced tolerance for pain; their sense of suffering is elevated and the capacity for effective self-treatment is reduced.

Medication can dampen the experience of anxiety but it does not unlink the reaction from the underlying thoughts or misinterpretation about the situation. ("I'm in danger"; "this will never end"; "I can' bear the pain", etc.) Cognitive therapies have been very effective (especially when combined with short term meds use) in teaching folks how to break this link.
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Reply #6 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 5:47pm
 
Bob, thanks for taking the time to address my situation. I'm trying to understand your point, but it's kinda vague. Are you saying that since I have anxiety, I am some kind of wuss that can't handle, or has an unreal perception of pain? I work in construction, and I have had plenty of painful experiences like smashing a thumb with a hammer or removing deep splinters from my hand by doing a little on site surgery with a razor and tweezers, and I don't wuss out then, I just tape it up and go back to work. I consider myself a pretty tough guy. I also don't see any mention of the long term pot use that you mention in the beginning. Am I missing something?

BTW I'm not pissed or anything by the comments, so don't get the wrong idea, I just don't really understand what you are getting at.

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Reply #7 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 7:52pm
 
No offesnse seen or taken....

Anxiety is a mixed emotional/physical reaction which, over time, operates on automatic. It doesn't take any external event to trigger an attack--but the feelings are as real as if a tiger were about to leap on you. I've had patients describe walking down th aisle of a supermarket picking their food and--bang!--they are overwelmed with such fear (anxiety) that they can only hide their face lest they burst into tears and be ashamed of the other people walking around them.

These reactions have nothing to do with strength, manliness, etc. They often emerge without any obvious external stimulus--which makes the sufferer thing they are going crazy. GAD is a classic experience of such anxiety and, what I'm saying, is that meds/pot will not eliminate the experiences. Meds can tone down the reaction but NOT change the mechanisms which are triggering them. This is why good therapy must be combined with some med support while making the changes needed to get back to comfort.

You mention how your anxiety increases when you are no smoking. This is a textbook experience of a med dampening the anxiety but not changing it basic source--this is why it's necessary to change the "why" and not just use a med to reduce the experience.
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Reply #8 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 8:38pm
 
Cool, thanks for the clarification.

While I am very reluctant to take western meds because of the side effects that I have had in the past, I am not close minded to them just shy away from them if you will. When I was young, I was unable to go into crowded places without feeling completely sick to my stomach. I would get nausea, vomiting and diarrhea almost instantly, and would have to run for fresh air or a bathroom. When I first started smoking pot in high school, I noticed that it took the edge off. It didn't make my anxiety go away, but I was at least able to go out to a resturaunt without getting sick. In my mid twentys, my cousin mentioned that she had started taking paxil for her anxiety and said she had remarkable results. I went and got a prescription for the paxil, and within 1 month it was like a miraculous change. I have been on paxil ever since (20mg/day). I have tried to wean off the paxil a few times when I was feeling confident that the anxiety was gone, but it comes back just like old times. The pot had become such a part of my life routine by then, I wasn't interested in quitting. My lifetime of extreme sports and associated injuries has left me with a lot of pain and the pot definitely helps ease my everyday aches and pains. As I stated before I don't like taking pain meds unless I'm recovering from surgery or something, I prefer the natural alternatives if effective. I would also not want to get hooked on narcotics. While I am a longtime pot smoker, I have never been the party type of guy and didn't even start drinking till I was in my mid 20's. I have never done drugs such as coke or meth and never will. I have had shrooms back in the day a few times and the talk of them possibly helping is interesting.

Well, I kinda got side tracked, as this isn't  an anxiety BB, but maybe it all ties together somehow.

Thanks again for your time. I am amazed when people go out of their way to help someone that they don't even know. Whether it be on this forum, or in the real world, I will repay the kindness extended to me to someone I don't know as well.

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Reply #9 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 9:25pm
 
Welding O2 is a whole lot cheaper than anything you are using now and is readily available without a doctor. I can't think of too many things more natural than oxygen.

Do some basic research and tell me what lung damage you think will occur.

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Reply #10 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 9:51pm
 
I am going to try the O2. I though I read somewhere that it could cause lung problems with prolonged use, but I can't find that quote anymore, so I must be mistaken. I've read so much info over the last couple of days so I was probably reading about something else.

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Reply #11 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 11:40pm
 
Johnzo,

Pilots have been using pure ox for hours at a time for years with out any known probs.  The only ones who would have probs that I know of would be those with an existing respiratory prob.  I'm not a Dr, so I could be wrong.  That happened one other time! Cheesy

I understand the issues of no insurance.  Went that way for years myself, but there is availability of medical care if you can show need.  I have had to avail myself of it more than once.  Glad to finally have ins. now so that I don't hve to put up with all the government hassle, but it was very helpful at the time.

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Reply #12 - Jul 29th, 2009 at 3:12am
 
Welcome to the board! Glad you found us. You won't find too many judgemental people on the board, but most will warn you about pot while on cycle. It's a vaso dialator (sp?) and many find it to be a nasty trigger while on cycle. Pot and alcohol are 2 of the more universal triggers while on cycle.

Oxygen has become my first line abortive. Imitrex worked great but I hated the side effects and worried about its long term effects. 02 works damned near as fast with no side effects. As to the lung damage, there were scattered reports "way back when" that prolonged exposure could eventually harm your lung linings. More recent research disputes that, we have a pilot on the board that would breathe pure 02 for hours at a time while flying fighter jets and is none the worse for the wear!

Do take the time to read our oxygen link on the left side of the board as how you use it is critical to its degree of success. Then visit   Clusterbusters.com      for more detailed information on the alternative treatments many find success with.

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Reply #13 - Jul 29th, 2009 at 8:17am
 
Guiseppi wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 3:12am:


..........we have a pilot on the board that would breathe pure 02 for hours at a time while flying fighter jets and is none the worse for the wear!

joe


I don't know about that, Joe. When he gets into politics, some folks around here think he has some brain damage  Grin  Wink


The only studies I've been able to find indicate that potential problems can develop in normal lungs with prolonged continuous exposure to high concentrations of oxygen.  "Prolonged" as in multiple hours of continuous use, not the typical 5-25 minutes used by us.

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Reply #14 - Jul 29th, 2009 at 8:58am
 
One comment before moving to my main point: Pain meds are not used regularly to treat CH. Those meds which are our mainstays are not addictive, have few/easily managed side effects, if they appear. So let's not close that door until we have focused on treatments.
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You have now outlined three major medical issues which are all interrelated: lifelong anxiety; head injuries; now, headache. I don't believe that you can treat one issue in isolation from the others and expect good results.

Ideally--you could find a neurologist who can both handle the head trauma issues AND headache. But that may be a hard combo to find in one person but the right guide can help you.

The issue of no insurance is first step to handle.
 1. Suggest you talk to a medical social worker at your hospital; or at your social services agency; or contact United Way office for leads. MSWorkers have the knowledge to tap into medical services and may be able to guide you to free/affordable medical services.

 2. Also ask the MSW about sources of good counseling for the anxiety issues. A lifelong pattern will be tough to handle but your success with Paxil is very encouraging. This class of meds has become a mainstay for anxiety disorders and they will, as you have experienced, free you from anxiety sufficiently to engage in the relearning (talk therapy) which is necessary for long term, enduring change. (And long term use carries no real risks. Many people use them for many years.)

As you have commented, folks here will standby you. The exchange fee is that you give as you can for this is a growing family which needs many hands on the oars. <bg>
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Reply #15 - Jul 31st, 2009 at 10:00am
 
Ya....About the oxygen/no insurance thing...

I went to the oxygen place and explained to them that my insurance will not cover O2. So they sell me tanks for $10. a piece out right.

I have had two different companies do this for me, so you might try that.  Ya never know.

hope you get some relief  Smiley
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Reply #16 - Aug 1st, 2009 at 11:10am
 
Heed Bob's advice.

You have several issues that need to be addressed together.

headaches can increase anxiety.
highs and lows of anxiety can add to headaches...

trauma can mean several additional problems.

get clear cut advice from professionals hopefully specialists.

good luck
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