I used this place to post some stuff on the general topic. Mostly to make sure I got it down somewhere.

Technically the Democrats can pass the bill but with 1.3 million dollars a day spent by drug and insurance companies to try to water it down, it won't be easy. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or

No. it will be expensive but nowhere near as expensive as doing nothing.  There's no way around it.

Charlie

Relax. We all know that bills are written to be picked apart. No one expects it to be approved as it stands. Nothing new.

Charlie

Monty,

Are social progressives trained as a bullfighters? The way you gracefully sidestepped the charging pointy horns sprouted by your favorite Marxist community organizer when he pulled a Doctor Strangelove and threw the race card at the Cambridge Police was most amazing…  All I can say is Olé!!!

BTW, I’d like to introduce you to the folks that will be organizing your health care…  According to the text of the leading politburo bill as written, these folks are eligible for billions of dollars.

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BTW, the “Affordable” health care plan sponsored by Harry Waxman is being written by staffers supported by a merry band of liberal lobbyists and special interest groups…  (The idiot social progressives elected to the politburo are incapable of constructing a single compound sentence correctly let alone read, comprehend, or debate over 1000 pages of a complex rats nest of legislative legal speak…  something they freely admit…)

Although they have little medical training, these caring folks will round up any and all potential candidates for the public health care option regardless of citizenship, picket and protest the remaining private health care insurers and providers, and essentially offer to organize cradle to grave hospice service…  from Taxpayer funded abortions to end of life counseling with rationed blue and red pills.

I would also like to introduce you to your next primary care physician under the single payer public health plan.  As the outcome of the planned Obamacare is expected to decimate the ranks of qualified US citizen applicants to our Nations medical schools, the community organizer in chief has gone to great lengths using his professorial and nuanced organizer speak to recruit cost effective medical care for the party faithful from all available sources.

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I’m told Dr. Harry R Simian, DSM is eminently qualified to provide cost effective medical care through the public single payer option.  He was studied at an Ivory Coast medical facility for over 3 years and he interned at the VA cleaning endoscopes as one of the green card immigrants ushered in by the politburo, amnesty international, and sponsored by George Soros…

Despite his burly size, we’re told he has gentle bedside manners.  We also hear he has developed some amazingly novel manual procedures for removal of unneeded organs like tonsils and other appendages all without that expensive anesthesia.  And you’ll appreciate this… he works for bananas so his capitation fees are very reasonable.

Now let’s address the final points of your last post on this tread…  some, I might add, I agree with.

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Response:  The GOP has no corner on the market here…  BS and prevarication are SOP for the uber liberals…  They know if people really knew what they were trying to do they’d be tarred and feathered then run out of town on a rail…  Examples?

How about that “Employee Free Choice Act?”  It was hardly that…  an open ballot that Union thugs could monitor…  That would have taken away the right to a secret ballot…  Did the liberals call it that….  No way…  they had to hide the fact they want unions to take over everything because the unions contribute 99% to the democratic ticket…

And how about the only frank that should be permanently banned… Barney Frank.  When asked about the health care vote he replied “we don’t have the votes to pass it this week…  but if we can get a health care bill with a public option passed this fall that will be all right because we can easily turn that into a SINGLE PAYER health care system…  Read all US health care will be run by the government… a.k.a. Mandatory Universal Health Care…   So much for the Marxist trained community organizer’s promise that we can keep our existing health care insurance…  Spin Frank’s comments for us…

Talk about creating fear!!!!  These idiots have already proven they can’t run a railroad or Metro for that matter.  The post office is failing under their auspices.  They’re running the big banks and still can’t tell us where the money went…  And today they proved they can’t run the auto makers the taxpayers own most of without giving away $3 Billion dollars more of taxpayer money to promote sales…  Yup… These are shrewd business people we have in the politburo…

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Response:  So true…  However, the problem the uber liberals have as I see it is clearly of their one of their own making.  The uber liberal leadership and comrades in the politburo have authored three versions of the health care legislation behind closed doors in a vaccum devoid of any bipartisan participation…  Republicans have been completely locked out of this process…  

The only compromise I’m aware of in the politburo is between Waxman and 4 of the Blue Dog/Lap Dog democrats and that compromise has the far left uber liberals in complete fibulation eating their young and each other calling the compromise unacceptable…

The Senate of the peoples republic has authored 2 two versions, but from available open source information, it appears only the Senate Finance Committee has meaningful bipartisan participation.  Max Baccus, Senate Finance Committee Chairperson, threw in the towel today saying his panel won’t be able to pass health-care legislation next week, dealing yet another setback to the Marxist trained community organizer…  Last time I checked the clown from Minnesota gave the liberals a 60 vote filibuster proof majority…  so what’s the problem?

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Response:  Another example of politics practiced with equal egregiousness by both parties…  Although I think the Republicans were safe saying that shortly after the porkulus debacle…  

Are you trying to tell me that liberals never take part in blocking tactics for political gain?   They kept up their craven mantra “Bush lied – People Died” for 7 years referring to Iraq being lost and GITMO’s gotta go.  Hmmm…  Last time I checked we’re still in Iraq and GITMO is still in operation….

Meanwhile the liberals quietly cheered and boasted about the success of their holiest legislation that results in over a million abortions a year…  Over 50 million abortions sine Roe vs Wade passed in ’73.

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Response:  Need?  Are you talking real requirements validated with bipartisan agreements?  That would be novel…

I’m sure you don’t think small business already stressed by a tanking economy, horrendous unemployment and a lack of lending need to be driven out of business by draconian laws that fine them for the egregious transgressions of rogue liberal Congress intent on nationalizing every major component of our economy…  

The cash for clunkers is yet another example of short sighted extravagance at taxpayer expense…   $1 Billion in 4 days…  Well…  there is a Free lunch for a few folks thanks to the generosity of uber liberals and the Marxist trained community organizer intent on redistribution of wealth at the taxpayer’s expense…

True there was bipartisan support for this bill, but a federal tax deduction of $4,500 for new car purchases would have cost a heck of a lot less.  Now the politburo has just reprogrammed  $2 Billion of the “Pork” already aporkreated and stashed away in the Porkuls legislation… All this to keep the cash for clunkers program afloat for another week… at the most.  How many more problems will this spawn???

The Marxist trained community organize was so beside his self that a piece of legislation actually worked…  it didn’t…  that he called a news conference to bend the truth a bit and spin a gross miscalculation into a success…  then said cash for clunkers was part of the porkulus legislation…  It wasn’t.  Want to bet the uber liberals will try to make the cash for clunkers a permanent program???  YGBSM!

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Response:  And you’re going to stand there with a straight face and tell us the liberals really care about people and that they never get involved in craven posturing?  

How about that Dianne Feinstein…  She’s provided a clear example of caring liberal democracy at work.  7 senior citizen constituents ages 55 to 87 show up at her West Los Angeles office, demanding a chat with the Senator, who promptly called the police to remove the “senior agitators.”    And Congress hasn’t even started the August recess…   It’s going to be long hot August for the libs…

All the liberals really care about is staying in power and they’ll do anything they can to buy votes pandering at taxpayer’s expense

The GOP is looking at the bang for the buck bottom line in the present health care legislation and finds it sadly lacking…  They have also offered alternative health care legislation but princes Pelosi of the politburo and prince Dirty Harry of the peoples Senate will not let the alternatives come to the floor for even a committee assignment...

Now for your final point…

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Response:  That private medical insurance companies are far less efficient than government systems like Medicare is very debatable.  What say we pick a few measures of merit on which we can agree and do a side-by-side comparison…

FY 2008 Budget request included about $325 billion in total gross mandatory spending for our Medicare program benefits.  The estimate at that time was 44.8 million Americans would be enrolled in the Medicare program in 2008.  That works out to a cost $7,287 per year per senior citizen on Medicare…

If we want to talk efficiency, we need to find out how much was actually paid out to how many Medicare beneficiaries.  The following site has a lot of stats… Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or

Take care,

V/R, Batch