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Good People of Clusterville,

Pay no attention to his campaign promise... the Marxist trained community organizer really wants Single Payer Universal Health Care…  and he wants to eliminate employer provided health care too… Watch videos of him telling his union faithful all about it….

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And here's Representative Barney Frank, (D) MA, telling all of us last week the idiot liberal progressives in the politburo want Single Payer Health Care too...  and he thinks they’re going to get it if they can just get the public health care option signed into law…

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Read Public Health Care Option = Single Payer health care = Universal Government run Health Care and the destruction of all the private medical insurance companies with all their employees going unemployed…  So much for your present medical insurance that Obama says you can keep…  More hopey changey?

The universal health care legislation has been stalled for weeks and missed coming out of three committees until late last Friday thanks to a few blue dog democrats… and all princess Pelosi or prince Dirty Harry could do was demonize the health care industry by calling them inefficient and greedy...  (I might add that these talking points were in the Friday group speak tweets from John Podesta’s Center for American Progress that go to the social progressive party faithful as well as all the idiots in the politburo and the people’s Senate.)  BTW  Dirty Harry made it a point to thank Podesta and the Center for American Progress for all its help in drafting the porkulus bill that nobody read….

The liberal progressives in Congress don’t really care about people… they just want the vote so they can ram their agenda through in order to take away our liberty, freedoms, earnings, and control everything we do…  They think we’re too stupid to make important decisions on our own so they pass bills that give them the power to make them for us…

Lets review the bidding…  They taken control the banking industry, the financial industry, the auto industry, and they want control of the health care industry…  and, on the 31st July, the politburo passed H.R. 3269 the “Say-on-Pay Bill” that will take control of private corporations so the government can control the compensation…  If the people’s Senate passes this bill, the idiots will take control of nearly every part of our Nation’s economic engine…  See the following links:

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When these social progressive idiots try to take control of your health care, just look at how well they’ve run the VA, Medicare, the US Postal Service, AMTRAK, then remember how well they did in their latest attempt to give away taxpayer money in the Cash for Clunkers program… and still screwed the pooch with terrible estimates and bureaucratic confusion…

And if anyone thinks Cash for Clunkers is a shining example of a well run efficient Government program...  Think again...  The Senate may vote this week to bail out the cash for clunkers program with the reprogrammed $2 Billion dollars of additional taxpayer money passed Friday by the politburo that was already porkreated in the porkulus bill.  And catch this...  Citigroup...  another one of our taxpayer owned bailout corporations is handling the cash for clunkers paperwork...  go figure...

"If the program's biggest flaw was bringing too many people into dealerships, which overall have been hurting for sales since the slump in the economy last year, then they wouldn't have a problem at all. With a 138-page rule book, little training for the 10 to 13 pages of detailed paperwork, hours of wait time for a busy website, and no guarantee that the work will be accepted or saved, some dealers say the problems have been mounting almost as fast as sales."  

Hmmm...  That sounds just like what folks go through when they try to get reimbursed by the government for VA or Medicare claims.

National health care as it stands at this point in 5 separate pieces of draft legislation will be a disaster of Chernobyl proportions if even one of these versions survives the August recess and comes to a vote...  It came out of Waxman’s committee Friday night on a 31-28 vote after three of the blue dogs reverted to lap dogs, so the ball is rolling…

Some of you may have seen the video of what happened when Senator Arlen Specter the RINO Defector and the abortion queen, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius when they tried to sell Obamacare and explain how they approve legislation like this real fast to folks at a town hall meeting this weekend…

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And surprise, surprise, surprise…  TurboTax Geithner and Larry Summers let the cat out of the bag Sunday with the talking liberal heads on state run media…  

A tax hike on the middle class is not off the table...  Hmmm...  Perhaps here comes a tax hike on the middle class?  Is this more of that hopey changey thing?

The White House is trying to down-spin Ceithner's and Summer's comments...

Take care, and if you don’t call, fax, or send an email to your congresspersons to tell them how you feel about the pending health care legislation, deficit spending, cap in trade, and new taxes…  BOHICA...

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Reply #1 - Aug 3rd, 2009 at 11:29pm  
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I will say one thing Batch. You are consistant.

Fits right in with the birthers and the soylent green euthanasia crowd.
Seriously, I bet they have good health coverage on whatever planet that sends all this lunacy.  Cool

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Reply #2 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 12:18am  
Earth to Charlie...

If you would take a moment to educate yourself with the facts, Batch was referring to what Obama said in his own words about eliminating employer-provided coverage.  It's not a lunatic plot from outer space, he said it plain and simple.  Republican, Democrat, space alien, crazy birther, whatever, you can't simply dismiss the fact he said it, and he is doing exactly what he said he would do in the video.

Your replies are usually more well thought out, and you forgot to mention Bush.  You're slipping.
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Reply #3 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 12:35am  
My idea of torture is to look at what are likely selected outtakes on Youtube. I have dialup. It takes me the better part of an hour to download this shit. Let me know if there is a text and I'll read it.

It is ridiculous though. No minds will be changed here.

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Reply #4 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 1:09am  
Sadly, Charlie, you are right.  This country is too smart to be swayed by facts.  Too smart to fall for video of Obama on video saying precisely what the 'scare mongers' who oppose this health care bill say he intends to do. Too smart to change the minds, for sure.
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Reply #5 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 12:48pm  
We have a government run mail service, and we have Fedex, UPS and a variety of other delivery and courier companies.  The idea that a public option will end all private insurance is not a truism.

The thing that a dubiously edited youtube clip won't tell you ... there is a difference between personally thinking a single payer system might be good, and fighting to get that.  If we get a bill to reform the health insurance system passed, it is going to be a compromise, not what Obama or anyone else might like if given a magic wand.  

Cooler heads to the north have a more accurate perspective than the wingnuts in this country:

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Canadians critical of this country’s public health care system delight in pointing out that U.S. President Barack Obama has not modelled his reform on our approach. This is by way of pointing out that even this “socialist” American president, whom Canadians adore more than any of their own political leaders, sees the fatal flaws in Canadian medicare and wants none of it....

It’s true that Obama’s approach differs crucially from the Canada’s publicly administered, single-payer system. Obama is promoting a parallel system that would extend basic medical coverage to virtually all Americans but leave the mult-billion-dollar private system intact.

Still, lots of Americans do advocate a bolder reform that would more closely resemble Canadian medicare. Why won’t Obama go for that? As he recently explained, it’s because too much water has gone under the bridge....reform on a more radical scale simply isn’t politically feasible for him.


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Reply #6 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 1:08pm  
...except the USPS is mandated in Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution. It will operate at a loss ad infinitum, while FedEx and UPS can only operate at a loss for as long as they still have their investors' confidence.
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Reply #7 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 1:46pm  
Brew wrote on Aug 4th, 2009 at 1:08pm:
...except the USPS is mandated in Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution. It will operate at a loss ad infinitum, while FedEx and UPS can only operate at a loss for as long as they still have their investors' confidence.


No, it isn't mandated. Congress is given power to establish post offices and postal roads, but isn't required to do so - although most people have seen this type of government action as a good thing.  Even though it competes with the private sector, it has co-existed with a variety of private ventures, including the Pony Express, Wells Fargo stage coach delivery, etc etc.  

And in any case, having a public option does not require that people that are happy with the private options have that choice taken away ...  given a choice, I think I would be very likely to stay with the current plan offered by my private sector employer, but would like to have a public option in place if visited by the ghost of Unemployment Future, or if I decide to open a business.

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But it is interesting is to contrast the young do-it-or-die-trying entrepreneurs with talented, seasoned employees who have been in the workforce sometime but are unwilling to make the leap, even to pursue a great idea that they have. The older group have more experience, more knowledge, more connections, more savings, and more ability to be successful. But they are almost always more risk-averse. They may have a family, a lifestyle to protect, and above all, they feel sometimes an overpowering need to keep their existing health insurance policy in place.

So this is the thing I have noticed, which someone needs to address–a primary reason for many people not to leave their current job and take an entrepreneurial risk (with the potential to create hundreds of jobs) is not salary, but it is health insurance.

Whatever happend to "portable health insurance?" I search Google News and see no hits on this topic. Are there any states that are trying to make it possible for small business owners and new entrepreneurs to team up and get decent health care plans collectively? I suppose employee leasing companies may offer this kind of thing.

Can anyone tell me what I should say to a middle-aged employee who really wants to leave a job and start out on his own, but he’s afraid to do it because of losing his health insurance? What are the best options?

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What are their best options? They don’t have many that I can see. I think you’ve nailed it on the head–many people don’t worry about salary, position in a company, and a lot of other things … they worry about health insurance.

I’m 28, non-smoker, non-drinker, not overweight, runs-marathons kind of guy and I can’t get private insurance, and don’t qualify for private insurance, believe it or not. I can’t find many options except to be full-time employed or going to college. I’m stuck with really no other options
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Reply #8 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 1:47pm  
That's the problem, Monty - After awhile, you won't have a choice because your employer will do whatever's cheapest for him.
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Reply #9 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 1:56pm  
Why is that a problem?  When talking about cars and mines, you said that "I never begrudge a business making a wise business move" ... why should we treat health care for employees any different from where GM buys its Pallidum?

First, it isn't clear that the public option will be open to the average worker - there may be limitations to prevent 'dumping' (not that that is a bad thing, according to the notion that businesses should do whatever it takes).  I think that companies that value their employees will continue to offer quality plans ... if anything, having a public option will create another indication of exactly how much a company does value its employees, and that can be taken into account when considering a work offer.
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Reply #10 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 2:03pm  
monty wrote on Aug 4th, 2009 at 1:56pm:
Why is that a problem?  When talking about cars and mines, you said that "I never begrudge a business making a wise business move" ... why should we treat health care for employees any different from where GM buys its Pallidum?

I think that companies that value their employees will continue to offer quality plans ... if anything, having a public option will create another indication of exactly how much a company does value its employees, and that can be taken into account when considering a work offer.

Companies offer various levels of health care plans in order to attract and retain quality employees. I bet all of them would just as soon not have to bear that cost of doing business anymore. So we, the patients, are left with no choice at all. Uncle Sam's BIG Healthcare Machine - no matter where we work.

And if you think USBHM has you covered, just take a look at Kash for Klunkers. The level of service provided is and will always be in direct proportion to the votes it delivers. Period. End of discussion. If you truly believe that the government cares about you and your loved ones, we have nothing to discuss. At least my insurance company is obligated to care because we have a contract. A contract with the government is made between fools.
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Reply #11 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 2:24pm  
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If you truly believe that the government cares about you and your loved ones, we have nothing to discuss. At least my insurance company is obligated to care because we have a contract. A contract with the government is made between fools.


If you believe that the insurance company cares about you just because you signed a piece of paper, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like you to vote for.  Most insurance companies are happy to dump you as soon as you start costing them money - they might have to keep you as long as you are attached to a company (which represents a real customer with clout).  Cherry-picking is the name of the game, and people with serious health conditions are like spoiled fruit ... discard it.

Do you also feel that most people who sign up for the service are fools, making contracts with their government?  And that that the military could be abolished, because it can't really care about or meet the needs of the people?
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Reply #12 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 3:35pm  
Believe what you want to believe, Monty. Arguing with you makes my brain hurt.
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Reply #13 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 7:46pm  
I have to say, the 'ignore' button has much improved my enjoyment of this web site, but nothing really can convey how extracomical this particular thread looks when viewed (as I see it) with Flo (monty) on 'ignore'.

Sorry Flo, I am not trying to insult you. I'm simply less likely to engage you in useless debate when I can't see your incessant regurgitations of the Daily Kos and other daily talking points.  I have to admit, you keep current in that regard.  In any case, whatever took place above, I'm sure I'm glad I missed certain parts of it.  I'm sure if I were exposed to it, I'd be  reregistered as a 'Democrat' by now.
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Reply #14 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 10:26pm  
I give up.

Bring on the middle class tax increases. I've conceded that I will work harder and remit an ever increasing and significantly larger portion of my earnings to the Government for redistribution to those that choose a different path in life.

Bring on single payer coverage. I've conceded that the Government can deliver a more timely, cost efficient and far superior medical care than I currently have.

Furthermore, I really don't mind if the Social Security system fails to deliver on the promise they made to me.  I don't even miss my lifelong contribution to the General Fund. I mean they needed to spend that money on other Government outlays. Keep the IOU's. I concede.

And don't be concerned about what we citizens may think or feel when you lie to us. We know in our hearts that your campaign promises were a means to an end. We realize that you are far smarter than us and genuinely care about our lives. And we really don't mind that you don't live by the rules and laws you impose upon us.

And pay no attention to the ever increasing attendance of the plebes at the Townhall meetings. Just ignore them. They do not represent the people who will eventually vote to keep you in office. They are the ever smaller growing group of working rabble that are footing the bill. Remember, the majority rules.

I am now realizing that my Government is good and has only just begun to bestow upon me and my family all the blessing they feel I require.

Monty and Charlie...I don't know what took me so long. I've conceded and am now at peace.

I'm suddenly starting to have an irresistible craving for cheese.

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Reply #15 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 11:19pm  
I'm about ready to give in too Steve. This is getting like the staged town hall protests......not much fun nor useful..... Undecided

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I need a break.

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Reply #16 - Aug 5th, 2009 at 8:01am  
If we've been told in this forum that what he says has been very deceptive, and now suddenly to believe him in a patch-work video, who is weaving this fairy tale and why didn't Wall Street dump healthcare stocks based on the precedent video?
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Reply #17 - Aug 5th, 2009 at 10:38am  
when you don't have any coverage some coverage would be nice. at least obama is getting the ball rolling. the only thing gw has to show for health care is it fuckin sky rocketed under his administration.

i see alot of bitching and whining on this thread but not too many alternative suggestions. Roll Eyes
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Reply #18 - Aug 5th, 2009 at 10:43am  
The depth of ignorance in that argument simply stuns me.  Seriously.
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...... This is getting like the staged town hall protests......not much fun nor useful..... Undecided

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Amazing. People aren't accustomed to Conservatives actually making any noise. When they do, the Liberals assume that it is staged, because that's the way they do it.

I've become very vocal, along with virtually every Conservative that I know personally. We've had enough of the lies and B.S.

My attendance at these kinds of things is new - not something I've ever felt compelled to do before. In the last few months, spoken in person with our Governor and one Senator. I've delivered handwritten letters to the folks I couldn't meet in person.

I assure you that no one is responsible for staging me, or hundreds of my neighbors. That's a myth generated to discredit any opposition. Don't forget that roughly 57 million of us saw this coming and didn't vote for Obama.

The idiots in both parties will continue to feel that they know what is best. But, they will be in for a surprise come the 2010 elections.

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Psychologists have a term for it: Projection.

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the tendency to ascribe to another person feelings, thoughts, or attitudes present in oneself, or to regard external reality as embodying such feelings, thoughts, etc., in some way.
b. Psychoanalysis. such an ascription relieving the ego of a sense of guilt or other intolerable feeling.
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Reply #21 - Aug 5th, 2009 at 1:38pm  
The seeds of revolution are sprouting and taking...

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hug a root wrote on Aug 5th, 2009 at 1:38pm:
The seeds of revolution are sprouting and taking...

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Wishful thinking. Too many are too happy with their hamburgers, big-screen tv's, and internet porn. All the while gobbling down record volumes of anti-depressants.
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Reply #23 - Aug 5th, 2009 at 3:59pm  
Shawn wrote on Aug 4th, 2009 at 7:46pm:
I have to say, the 'ignore' button has much improved my enjoyment of this web site, but nothing really can convey how extracomical this particular thread looks when viewed (as I see it) with Flo (monty) on 'ignore'.

Sorry Flo, I am not trying to insult you. I'm simply less likely to engage you in useless debate when I can't see your incessant regurgitations of the Daily Kos and other daily talking points.  I have to admit, you keep current in that regard.  In any case, whatever took place above, I'm sure I'm glad I missed certain parts of it.  I'm sure if I were exposed to it, I'd be reregistered as a 'Democrat' by now.


Of course you are trying to insult me - your post is dripping with sarcasm, and your signature is a blanket insult to liberals.





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Reply #24 - Aug 5th, 2009 at 4:55pm  
Not really Flo, it's just that insulting you comes effortlessly. I am not, as I said, trying.

And, if my signature insults liberals in general, GOOD.  I have had enough of this touchy-feely reaching across the aisle BS.  Liberalism is nothing but a version of soft tyranny.  It threatens our American way of life, and even threatens ignorant people who can't be bothered with facts.

You, sir, sound like you've studied the Obama bible "Rules for Radicals", so I actually do consider you to be an enemy of freedom.

Was that insulting enough?  No sarcasm in sight... Back on ignore...

BTW, you should be a good brown shirt now and report me to the White House as you have been ordered to do.  The address is flag@whitehouse.gov.  Be sure to spell my name right.  It is Shawn Nunley.

Freedom.  Get it now while you can.
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