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-johnny- wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 2:07pm:

ok so what about the people who have to chose between insulin or groceries? what about people that have paid for insurance for years and all the sudden get dropped because of some loop hole created by the insurer? it would seem that in this day and age only healthy people are eligible.

you've addressed illegal aliens which i can go along with but what about our natives that have retired and get sick and have to work until they ae dead? you still haven't come up with a solution shawn

One more thing, this is a common attack that is getting quite old. The world is imperfect. There will always be people who, for some reason, end up on the skids. I have been there, I may be heading there again. It happens. We are a country based on individual freedom and responsibility. You have control of your destiny, and if you are smart and work hard, hopefully you do well. In cases where you are 'screwed by the man' hopefully you have legal recourse. We have charitable organizations. Americans are the most giving people in the world. The fact that somebody has to choose between eating and insulin is sad, but it doesn't justify destroying basic freedoms.

If there is no debate allowed until the bad guys (conservatives) propose something that fixes the nature of human greed, we are screwed.

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Didn’t Barack Obama claim that community organizing was the most important part of his early political life? Wasn’t his work for ACORN presented as one of the chief qualifications for his becoming president? So, now that he’s won, how can this administration rail against Americans coming together in community organizations to oppose his healthcare policies? Isn’t organizing good?

This is the same man that during the late campaign for president told his voters to “argue” with your neighbors and “get in their faces.” Now, all of a sudden, this is a president that is urging people to turn in their neighbors for having the temerity of “getting in the faces” of Congressmen that support a government take over of our healthcare system?

Kind of hypocrtical, no?

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how bout this. pharmaceutical companies haven't cured anything since polio. if there was a cure for diabetes insulin would become obsolete and humulin wouldn't have the money they make from diabetics buying insulin to pay for lobbyist to lobby the legislature to make laws to keep a cure out of reach and to keep diabetics buying their insulin. the same could be said about any number of conditions. this is the core of the problem. drug companies are standing in the way of progress and sick people are suffering in the name of profitability.

i'm sure oboma knows this but he is not going to address it. why? because these are the people that pay the bills at cnn, fox, cbs, or any other source of information. pharmaceutical should be banned from lobbying and banned from advertising. either the government controls them or they control the government. there is no middle ground. besides that i don't think i should have to explain what "erectile disinfection" is or what "what that certain part of the male anatomy" is or herpes or whatever. i saw an advertisement for Oxycontin the other day. Oxycontin is a killer.

democrats and republicans alike are bought and sold. i don't think republicans are evil nor do i think democrats are stupid i just think both parties need to look outside the box for somekind of solution other than calling each other stupid or evil.

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These August townhall meetings are going to get bloody - real soon. Mark my words.

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Reply #55 - Aug 7^th, 2009 at 9:31am

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We have charitable organizations. Americans are the most giving people in the world. The fact that somebody has to choose between eating and insulin is sad, but it doesn't justify destroying basic freedoms.

Nice. It's also untrue.

There is little use in trying to debate this with people that read only what they agree with. Whatever causes people to scream about health care as a socialist plot by people they consider evil, does not compute.

These are people that for some reason buy into the idea that: By God, I'll be happy to shoot myself in the foot to preserve some kind of what might only be understood as a type of masochistic bootstrap "alturism." They want things as they are and they'll be happy to take a beating every day from people that love America but hate Americans. They seem perfectly happy to be "represented" by the worst that they have to offer at town hall meetings, and the Shawn Hannitys and far right wing radio screechers that should embarrass conservatives and Republicans. They don't seem to care so long as Wall Street health care investors keep the money rolling in. They will go to any lengths for them.

I'm all for what this country stands for. It does not however stand for stupidity by people that wish to inflict it on the whole country. Keep it to themselves. Maybe it's a form of natural selection. Profits and the market are what keeps our country successful....so long as common sense and some degree of concern for the country as a whole, prevail, not just comfort for those that don't need some help with staying well and not dying from lack of even basic care. By in large, not as represented by the right, they are the under-insured, not those on welfare. They have paid their way and deserve just a little help from those of us that have made a bundle on the system.

These greedy insurers, are always willing to discard anybody that doesn't benefit their bottom lines. It's okay to provide health insurance to people who aren't sick enough use it. It makes perfect sense when health care is of no consequence to them.

One has to consider the people that are so frightened by a government option or even better, a single-payer system. They are incredibly "healthy" insurance companies, and the most greedy corporate entity: drug companies. They do not want their gold plated boat rocked and are employing every professional lobbyist and public relations firm they can find and are willing pay anything they ask to keep them happy.

Part of it of course is to use the politics of fear which is what the right has used so successfully for the last 60 years in killng health care reform when comes up. Part of it is to try to have the country believe that their columnists and only thier bloggers have the "real" dope on the matter and that it takes self-flagellation to make it go away.

Insurance companies will be delighted if Washington mandates health insurance for eveyone.....especially with no government option. It will increase their incomes...incredibly and they can charge the goverment anything they wish. Drug companies will like it too. The "help" they offer is even better. The only drugs they will be happy supply are those that they produce and the most expensive.....generics will not be allowed. How sweet it might be.

What is stunning is that even people of seemingly good intelligence and compassion are willing to overlook this and make things harder for the country. It is the country that suffers in the long run. Like Medicare though, it wouldn't surprise me that it too will wind up being one helluva cash cow for them. They are good at it. Maybe we'll be lucky but it will take some real lifting so long as the money streams keeps flowing. It's sad.

The right could use a little "elitism" for a change for the good of the country.

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Reply #56 - Aug 7^th, 2009 at 9:47am

Brew wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 10:29pm:

These August townhall meetings are going to get bloody - real soon. Mark my words.

Yeh, the anti-reform hooligans have taken to issuing death threats to Congressmen, and a fight broke out at one rally in Miami.

Meanwhile, Glenn Beck makes jokes about poisoning Nancy Pelosi. A real class act. When faced with electoral defeat, the right resorts to violence and threats of violence.

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These scuffles are really rather pathetic - elderly people on Medicare are wound up about the threat of socialized medicine. Maybe we should just end medicare and let them fend for themselves??

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By all accounts, many if not most of the rioters were elderly. So we have the spectacle of Medicare recipients rioting against government intervention in health care.

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Reply #61 - Aug 7^th, 2009 at 10:53am

-johnny- wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 2:07pm:

ok so what about the people who have to chose between insulin or groceries? what about people that have paid for insurance for years and all the sudden get dropped because of some loop hole created by the insurer? it would seem that in this day and age only healthy people are eligible.

What about the crack wh0re who picked up HIV from a used needle?

What about the in-debt-out-his-ass douchebag fighting to keep his Porsche, vacation house and Yankees season tickets, but let his health insurance lapse?

Finding the worthy people in need of health care is easy. My problem is that for every one valid case there are a dozen undeserving people who plain and simply do not deserve health care.

Now someone will say 'who are you to play god, picking and choosing who is deserving'. I am the one paying for it.

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Now someone will say 'who are you to play god, picking and choosing who is deserving'. I am the one paying for it.

What if that crack wh0re turned out to be a relative of your extended family, would you cast her aside or would you be willing to pay and give her a chance at life.

Unfortunately many of these people come from dysfunctional families and were never offered the same opportunities that were afforded to us. As a Christian, (And I ain't the best at it)I was brought up to work as an advocate for the vulnerable in our society and offer help at every available opportunity. If that in turn means me coughing up an extra few quid, then so be it.

I believe rich or poor, we all deserve the same opportunities as regards to health care, but hey, that's just my two cents worth.

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Reply #64 - Aug 7^th, 2009 at 11:43am

-johnny- wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 3:30pm:

how bout this. pharmaceutical companies haven't cured anything since polio.

Please don't make sweaping statements like that Johny. How about the vaccine for Ovarine (sic) Cancer? Or Mennigites? Just to name two off the top of my head. Where would we be without the advancements in Medical Imaging etc. if it weren't for the profit margin in our system? Its not perfect. No system is. Thats why the French President comes here for heart surgery, as well as the King of Saudi Arabia. We have the best health care there is. Canadian health care is free as the air. But you have to wait six months for an MRI. and in some towns they hold a lottery to see who gets on the Doctors patient list. According to the G.A.O. if the current Senate Bill passes, in 2020 17 million will be without health care and there will be no private health insurance available. If the House Bill passes, by the year 2020 36 million will have no health care. That is in their current form according to the GAO. Everything is still in committee ofcourse. If they really wanted to take care of the citizens without health insurance, they could take around $30 Billion and give them the same health care plan the Safeway employees have. But then they would have to think of a way to to waste the rest of that Trillion dollars that they were planning on saddling us with. Oh yeah there is those two Gulf Stream executive jets they just ordered. I suppose thats a start. After all they had to make up for the ones that they made the auto execs give up. I just love these guys. You could call them hypocrites, but a hypocrite knows when they are doing something wrong. I really don't think these guys in Congress even realize what they are doing. Do you think for a minute that they will be subject to the health care plan they are proposing? Not a chance. They are more than willing to take your health care plan away from you, whether you want to keep it or not, and force you onto the governments. And don't even feel that they are lying to you. Even though its right there on page 18. Because it is only right and for your own good. and they are looking out for your best interests, and you just don't know any better. And it is in your best interests that they do this. They aren't really lying, you just wouldn't understand is all.
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Reply #66 - Aug 7^th, 2009 at 11:52am

Lobster wrote on Aug 7^th, 2009 at 10:53am:

-johnny- wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 2:07pm:

ok so what about the people who have to chose between insulin or groceries? what about people that have paid for insurance for years and all the sudden get dropped because of some loop hole created by the insurer? it would seem that in this day and age only healthy people are eligible.

What about the crack wh0re who picked up HIV from a used needle?

What about the in-debt-out-his-ass douchebag fighting to keep his Porsche, vacation house and Yankees season tickets, but let his health insurance lapse?

Finding the worthy people in need of health care is easy. My problem is that for every one valid case there are a dozen undeserving people who plain and simply do not deserve health care.

Now someone will say 'who are you to play god, picking and choosing who is deserving'. I am the one paying for it.

like i said earlier we need to CURE some of these ailments and the drug companies are standing in the way of progress in the name of profits. if my wife's diabetes was cured the cost of her treatment would be $0. in other words the drug companies are the ones currently playing god.

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Lefty wrote on Aug 7^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

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Now someone will say 'who are you to play god, picking and choosing who is deserving'. I am the one paying for it.

What if that crack wh0re turned out to be a relative of your extended family, would you cast her aside or would you be willing to pay and give her a chance at life.

Unfortunately many of these people come from dysfunctional families and were never offered the same opportunities that were afforded to us. As a Christian, (And I ain't the best at it)I was brought up to work as an advocate for the vulnerable in our society and offer help at every available opportunity. If that in turn means me coughing up an extra few quid, then so be it.

I believe rich or poor, we all deserve the same opportunities as regards to health care, but hey, that's just my two cents worth.

Lefty...!

Then help that person through your church. It's called charity, and there ain't none of it in this health care legislation. Besides, imagine the quandry the left might find themselves in were there to be any mention of Christian charity as a basis for this behemoth.

This is, pure and simple, about a power grab by the Feds. When they control your health, they control you.

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Brew wrote on Aug 7^th, 2009 at 10:33am:

Paid thugs supporting the President's health care reform plan.

Speaks volumes. The rest is merely media complicity.

Again, believe what you want, monty.

There you go again, seeing things that aren't there.

The information from Craigslist you provided does support the idea that there are people who are paid - I have seen ads like that before, and it usually involves knocking on doors or phoning people to deliver a message and then ask for money. Both sides employ those types of workers, and there is nothing inherently wrong with it. I don't typically support such groups, as (like many 'charities') they seem more interested in raising money to pay themselves than effectively spending it on a problem.

If people want to organize a campaign to save the snail or promote a new containerized freight port in their town, good on them. I may agree or disagree, but there is nothing inherently wrong with such activity.

But you apparently have someone have magic insight that lets you convert that advertisement into evidence of paid thuggery. Paid? Yes, sure. Thuggery? No. Not to a reasonable person. You are projecting your belief system in the absence of facts regarding what those people will really be paid to do - any honest critical thinker would say it is rather delusional.

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Reply #71 - Aug 7^th, 2009 at 1:21pm

monty wrote on Aug 7^th, 2009 at 12:16pm:

Brew wrote on Aug 7^th, 2009 at 10:33am:

Paid thugs supporting the President's health care reform plan.

Speaks volumes. The rest is merely media complicity.

Again, believe what you want, monty.

There you go again, seeing things that aren't there.

The information from Craigslist you provided does support the idea that there are people who are paid - I have seen ads like that before, and it usually involves knocking on doors or phoning people to deliver a message and then ask for money. Both sides employ those types of workers, and there is nothing inherently wrong with it. I don't typically support such groups, as (like many 'charities') they seem more interested in raising money to pay themselves than effectively spending it on a problem.

If people want to organize a campaign to save the snail or promote a new containerized freight port in their town, good on them. I may agree or disagree, but there is nothing inherently wrong with such activity.

But you apparently have someone have magic insight that lets you convert that advertisement into evidence of paid thuggery. Paid? Yes, sure. Thuggery? No. Not to a reasonable person. You are projecting your belief system in the absence of facts regarding what those people will really be paid to do - any honest critical thinker would say it is rather delusional.

I'm now officially done with your delusions. I just hope you don't have an influence on too many people.

Ignore button ON. Have a nice day.

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All across the country, right-wing extremists are disrupting congressional town-hall meetings with venomous attacks on President Obama's plans for health care and clean energy.

Last night in Tampa, Florida, a town hall meeting erupted into violence, with the police being called to break up fist fights and shoving matches.1 A Texas Democrat was shouted down by right-wing hecklers, many of whom admitted they didn't even live in his district.2 One North Carolina representative announced he wouldn't be holding any town-hall meetings after his office began receiving death threats.3 And in Maryland, protesters hung a Democratic congressman in effigy to oppose health-care reform.4 We've got a plan to fight back against these radical right-wingers. We've hired skilled grassroots organizers who are working with thousands of local volunteers to show Congress that ordinary Americans continue to support President Obama's agenda for change. And we're building new online tools to track events across the country and make sure MoveOn members turn out at each one. But we need to scale up our efforts quickly to make sure this plan works. To really swing into action during this month's congressional recess, we need to raise at least $250,000 immediately. Can you chip in $35 to support our work?

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If the shouts of the right-wing mobs are the only voices our senators and representatives hear over the recess, we'll have a hard time passing health care and clean energy legislation.

That's why we're launching our Heat Up Congress campaign so quickly to fight back, using new technology to implement rapid response town hall turnout, organizing personal phone calls from small business leaders and donors to their representatives, running new ads, and activating an energized network of on-the-ground organizers and volunteers.

This month could decide the future of health care and clean energy in America—and we're already one week in. If you've been sitting on the sidelines, now's the time to get involved. Talk to your neighbors, go to a town hall meeting—and today, please chip in $35 to support our work:

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Re: The Prez & Politburo Want Single Payer Health Care
Reply #73 - Aug 7^th, 2009 at 2:47pm

Shawn wrote on Aug 7^th, 2009 at 1:15pm:

Last I checked, ACORN and *all* of the community organizing groups are the exact opposite of conservative, and they are taxpayer supported.

Wh has paid thugs?

I haven't said that anyone has paid thugs. I challenged Brew's statements that the disruptors were 'liberal plants' and that an ad on Craigslist was part of a sinister conspiracy. And I provided evidence that some conservatives activists were encouraging the disruption.

ACORN is not taxpayer supported. Some tea-baggers are concerned that one vague provision in a funding bill might be used to secretly funnel billions and billions of dollars to the group, but that is based on (yet another) misinterpretation ... there was a provision in one of the bailout bills that talked about putting 20% of one of the funds into 'community renewal' ... but that was specifically for a program run by the government (HUD's Housing Trust Fund), and it would have been lent to existing homeowners to prevent foreclosures, and to new homeowners to occupy homes that were already foreclosed on. So, yeah, the word 'community' did appear in that bill, but no, the word 'community' doesn't always mean what you tea-baggers think it does.

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The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now does not apply for nor does it receive any federal grants.

ACORN has had contracts with other nonprofit organizations to perform work on projects which received federal grant support. For example, ACORN has received contracts to:

* Identify families eligible to receive food stamps and assist them to apply.
* Identify homeowners facing foreclosure and deliver them for housing counseling and loss mitigation services.
* Provide lead paint remediation services to households with children living in older neighborhoods.

The contracts that ACORN receives on these projects are for delivering specific activities, all of which are tax-exempt qualified in accordance with federal grant guidelines. No payments are received until work product has been delivered.

None of ACORN's contracts to perform work on projects receiving federal grant money has provided funding for voter registration.

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Re: The Prez & Politburo Want Single Payer Health Care
Reply #74 - Aug 7^th, 2009 at 3:08pm

That's very nice, Brew - but it doesn't show any attempt to disrupt the meetings or incite violence - various right wing memos have overtly mapped out a program to be disruptive. The death threats are not coming from the people that support health care reform and want to go to the meetings to support that end.

Some have suggested that although the 'tea-bag' parties of a few months ago got so little coverage, the people that went to them have figured out that if they have one of the parties in a space where a Congressman is trying to talk about health care, then they will get the attention they sought:

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At a town hall meeting in Georgetown [Delaware], a woman demanded to know why [Rep. Mike] Castle and his colleagues were 'ignoring' questions about Obama's birth certificate -- questions that have been put to rest repeatedly by state officials in Hawaii, where the birth certificate and all other credible evidence show that Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. When Castle countered that Obama is, in fact, 'a citizen of the United States,' the crowd erupted in boos, the woman seized control of the gathering and led a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance." [Politico; 7/27/09]

Reminds me of John Cusack in the Runaway Jury ... no sir, no manipulation going on here.

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