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Aug 20th, 2009 at 8:42pm
 
I don't know where to begin. My story I'm sure is not unlike many of my fellow ch sufferers. I can say that since I am due to be under attack soon that the fear of the attack is as nearly as bad as the attack itself. Maybe I've been lucky to have had only 3 previous bouts with the beast, all at 5 year intervals but trend of the attacks has been of increased duration  and intensity. Last bout was 52 days, 4-6 onset attacks daily at what I would describe as kip10 and 4 -6 rebound headaches between them - 24/7 pain, slept only when felled due to exhaustion and over medication.  Scared shitless is an under statement. Previous meds were stadol spray and imitrex pills which overall I would describe as not effective but did keep me from harming myself. I am now in the process of arming myself for battle and have obtained o2. I currently have a 40lb liquid o2 tank in my bedroom with a bs re-breather bag and  a 1 -15 lpm reg. I have an appt with the neuro soon to go over my brain scan and hopefully get meds that will help.. Hard to say what I'm going to get but I am going to ask for verapimil and some type of injectable. I can only hope it is enough. My insurance ( I have regence ) says that they don't cover injectables so I have to ask, how are those of you getting injectables having insurance pay? I am trying to get my insurance to pay for a o2ptimask demand valve system and 1 -25 lpm reg. If they don't I will at least buy an o2ptimask. I won't have the with -where -all to handle anything when I am under attack so now is the time to get my ducks in a row. My job will put me on maternity leave and that helps and is of some comfort but in addition to lost wages I am sure the beast is going to cost me. ( lost wages = lost insurance= more out of pocket) One of the things that scares me is that either the o2 won't work or that I will ill use it and harm my lungs or worse. I have read the o.u.c.h site several times as well as all the o2 related things here but it seems a little like reading how to swim and then jumping in the deep end. I have been digging into the message board for a one size fits all answer but can't find it. Makes me want to try everything at once but I know that is not wise though I will have remember that when I am under attack. My biggest question here is ( if I have even yet to  ask one is) lets say o2 works for me in aborting that 1st attack, and the verapimil helps, and I don't have to use an injectable. Does that mean I won't likely get another onset attack for the day, days, week? Or if I am used to the frequency of attacks as in the past will have I have to abort each one as though it was the 1st one or do they get easier to abort the more you abort them, if that makes any sense. Do you use o2 for rebound headaches of a lesser kip level? I did find out, by accident , that liquid o2 dissipates at a rate of a pound and a half a day and though I originally have more volume I also lose it when not in use. That's why the liquid versus gaseous question. ( I am ignorant, please help) If I am attacked as often as 4 - 6 time a day, more including rebound headaches, wouldn't I need like M tanks or even larger. Wouldn't I like need  4-6  E tanks daily if I was going that route. Doesn't this all sound like way too much o2? As it is if I need to I can get a 90 pound liquid o2 tank or a combination of tanks to suit my needs but again, is it reasonable to expect that kind of usage? Some guy at the o2 supply company told me that o2 was addicting. It took me awhile to get it but that's a funny. Seriously though, does any one have any o2 usage stories. I know that everyone's ch is different but I honestly don't know what to expect.   Undecided
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Re: o2 therapy
Reply #1 - Aug 20th, 2009 at 9:13pm
 
First of all, please try to use paragraphs.  Your topic was EXTREMELY difficult to read, all mushed together.  Paragraphs are our friends  !!!

Oxygen is NOT addicting, anymore than you are already addicted to it.  You almost cannot take too much oxygen.  Just remember that the military fighter pilots are on 100% oxygen, at flow rates up to 60LPM, for two hours, straight, on most missions.  Many times, for much longer missions, and they are not harmed by it.

By all means, buy the O2PTIMASKTM as it makes all the difference in the world!  A regulator that goes up to 25 LPM is better than one at 15, but many have good results with the 15.

I have never heard of an insurance company NOT paying for a med, just because it is injectable.  If it is true, you can always go with the nasal spray.  The imitrex pills are pretty much useless for us clusterheads.

Do you have skype on your computer?  If so, and you have a webcam, too, we can connect that way, and I would be happy to demonstrate the best way to use oxygen therapy.  MANY of us use skype to communicate.

Good luck, and I hope I have answered some of your questions.  Don't be afraid to ask more.  We want you to get as painfree as possible.

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Reply #2 - Aug 21st, 2009 at 6:53am
 
Jay,

Please listen to Chuckles... he knows what he's talking about with the O2.

Did I read your post right? Are you pregnant?  If you are then you probably don't need to be taking the imitrex. O2 might be the ONLY thing you CAN use. Need to ask your doc about that.

The BIG secret in using O2 is to get on it as SOON as you feel the HA coming on - DO NOT WAIT. And there are ways to breathe that Chuck can explain to you (like hyperventalating - he and Pete had to "instruct" me till I got that one down "right") but once you get the hang of it - it works really well (my abort time is usually 3-5 minutes).

We're all a good bunch here - and we want you to be as pain free as possible, so don't get put out with us if we fuss at you a little... And by all means GET THE RIGHT mask..

Looks like you're doing the right thing by getting all the stuff together BEFORE the beast hits.

Now, if you don't have a webcam on your computer I'd suggest you invest in one of those (with a mike) so Chuck can make sure you're doing the O2 the right way or show you how to do it right. Then you can download Skype (it's free). I'll vouch for Chuckles - he's really harmless once you get to know him. (My grandson adores him and you know what they say about kids and dogs. Wink so if you have any fears about talking to a "stranger" on the Internet - don't worry about him).

Welcome to Clusterville...

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Reply #3 - Aug 22nd, 2009 at 12:12pm
 
Thanks for the replies, I am learning. I don't have a web cam, yet. I am unfamiliar with skype but will gain the knowledge. I got a script for imitrex injectable yesterday and my insurance denied me. I knew they would, I will call them Monday and see what can be done. I don't mind constructive criticism so fill free to chastise away.
     The o2 addiction remark was a joke. When it was first told to me I didn't get it. He had to explain to me that we are all addicted to o2. I was being way to serious to notice he was joking. There are 2 other ch'ers in my area. I've contacted them through their " where we live" email addresses. They both told me o2 didn't work for them. Disheartening but I can only assume they did not do it right.
      I would still like to know much o2 most ch'ers are using in a day/week when they are in a cycle and being attacked 4 -6 times a day. I still don't know if I need to keep my liquid o2 setup or go to a M tank. It may depend on the 25 lmp regulator fitting more than anything else. I was talking to Tony Eafrati from Lifegas and his 25lpm regulator runs 150.00 and demand valve 150.00 ( not compatible with liquid tank setups)
      It may be that a 15 lpm reg and o2ptimask is enough and I don't know yet. Perhaps I am worrying to much. Bear with me please and here's hoping that you all have as many pf days as the Lord will allow.

Peace,
Jay

P.s, I am a 50 year old black/white male. My work will put me on maternity leave when the beast hits.
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Reply #4 - Aug 22nd, 2009 at 12:28pm
 
Jay,

Sorry, but I don't know much about the liquid O2, but someone will be along to enlighten you about that. Tony knows what he's talking about (and yes, I know him - give him my best when you talk to him).

With the Opt2tic (or however you spell it) maybe the 15 liters will work for you. I use the demand valve and it does wonders for me. I can usually kill a hit in 3-5 minutes.

Keep the trex in reserve for when the O2 doesn't do the trick.

We also use Red Bull (or an energy drink with caffeine and at least 1000mg of Taurine in it) at the first sign of a hit (chug it). Works good if you're not around your O2 (at least it does for me).

Check in with Chuck about the o2....

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Reply #5 - Aug 22nd, 2009 at 2:00pm
 
Thanks for the replies, I am learning. I don't have a web cam, yet. I am unfamiliar with skype but will gain the knowledge. I got a script for imitrex injectable yesterday and my insurance denied me. I knew they would, I will call them Monday and see what can be done. I don't mind constructive criticism so fill free to chastise away.
     The o2 addiction remark was a joke. When it was first told to me I didn't get it. He had to explain to me that we are all addicted to o2. I was being way to serious to notice he was joking. There are 2 other ch'ers in my area. I've contacted them through their " where we live" email addresses. They both told me o2 didn't work for them. Disheartening but I can only assume they did not do it right.
      I would still like to know much o2 most ch'ers are using in a day/week when they are in a cycle and being attacked 4 -6 times a day. I still don't know if I need to keep my liquid o2 setup or go to a M tank. It may depend on the 25 lmp regulator fitting more than anything else. I was talking to Tony Eafrati from Lifegas and his 25lpm regulator runs 150.00 and demand valve 150.00 ( not compatible with liquid tank setups)
      It may be that a 15 lpm reg and o2ptimask is enough and I don't know yet. Perhaps I am worrying to much. Bear with me please and here's hoping that you all have as many pf days as the Lord will allow.

Peace,
Jay

P.s, I am a 50 year old black/white male. My work will put me on maternity leave when the beast hits.
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Reply #6 - Aug 22nd, 2009 at 2:02pm
 
sorry about the double post. Thanks again
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Reply #7 - Aug 23rd, 2009 at 1:08pm
 
I keep a very large "T" tank to breathe from and to fill smaller E and M4 tanks for portable use. The T designation is a welding O2 tank that holds about 9400 liters. (about 2.5 M tanks)

Worst case scenario for me was to use up the big tank in an 8 day period.

BUT, my total O2 usage has actually dropped since I discovered very high flow oxygen therapy. That seems counter intuitive, but it’s true for me. Instead of trying to kill every hit for long drawn out periods at 15 lpm, I can kill virtually every hit in 3-6 minutes at 35-45 lpm.

After the first 10-12 days of using this approach, I found that I was getting fewer hits and that I did not need to stay on the oxygen after killing the hit. It did NOT work this well for the first week, but it most certainly did after faithfully and forcefully hyper ventilating every session. IMHO, that's the part many people fail to understand and implement.

Just estimate how much you will need by multiplying the flow rate x minutes x number of hits.






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