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Reply #25 - Oct 7th, 2009 at 7:57am
 
I took 2 more kudzu last night and no headache:)  Again, I don't know if it is coincidental or not, but I'll take it.  I purchased mine from Puritans Pride online and got 3 bottles for like 10 bucks.  I also had bloodwork done recently and noticed my B12 was low. It was noted that this could result in neuropsychosis.  So I'm taking B12 as well, along with the magnesium for the twitching.  Jonie..I researched the drug you told me about starting with a 'z' (I lost the paper I wrote it on)..anyway, the side effects quoted by those that take it are horrendous, altho not everyone has them, I'm just too paranoid to try.  But if someone said they were getting good results from dog crap on a stick, we'd all be out buying a dog.  So I understand that if 'something' is taking away this insane pain, all caution is thrown to the wind.  The reason I am so against pharmaceuticals is that I am convinced my mom got Lou Gehrig's (ALS) from taking a statin for her cholesterol, which she fought against the doctors for many years before relenting.  It cost her her life. And not a pretty way to go. Not to say that everyone who takes a statin will get ALS, but there's certain people who are drug sensitive and statins trigger this disease (Peoplespharmacy.com and WHO ((World Health Organization on Statins)) Anyway, I digress...sorry.  My neuro called last night and is setting me up with oxygen home delivery.  We'll see how that goes. So Joni: give Kudzu a try, maybe it will help you.  I wish I had a magic wand and I'd 'wave' us all well.  I appreciate all the feedback from each and every one of you.
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Reply #26 - Oct 7th, 2009 at 8:03am
 
Be sure to read the "oxygen info" information in order to get the maximum benefit.

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Reply #27 - Oct 7th, 2009 at 8:31am
 
Will do...thanks Marc.  Have a pain-free day!
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Reply #28 - Oct 7th, 2009 at 2:10pm
 
Just read your post/s Grace.  I can definitely relate.  The best way for me to describe it is a feeling of unreality.  I have had to deal with anxiety disorder for a couple of decades now, independent of my CH's cycles.  Have had the anxiety under control for many years  but there was a time when I would experience what is called "free floating anxiety".  It is a terribly uncomfortable feeling with no apparent relief.  At times, I felt I had to grab the nearest thing to me because it felt like I was going to fall off the face of the earth.  Blurred vision,  vertigo, ringing in the ears, extreme fatigue were all part of it.  Looking back, I believe this was originally triggered by a very long extended period of stress in my life.  Incidentally, I had a few weeks of that constant, uncomfortable feeling during my last cluster cycle which I totally blame on the stress a new cycle brings into my life.  Does any of this sound familiar to you?  Hope this helps.
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Reply #29 - Oct 8th, 2009 at 7:19am
 
Randyvv...YES!  This is exactly how I feel. And since I have chronic CHs, I feel this way every freakin day.  And the 'fight or flight' syndrome kicks in which probably makes it worse.  I told my husband I feel like the world is turning and I'm on the outside edge trying to get back in.  I have had 2 horrendous episodes of vertigo since my clusters started, but on a daily basis it's like mini vertigo and this huge feeling of unreality.  (Well put on your part)  I feel removed.  I spoke with my Neuro on this and he said that these headaches are so debilitating and it's just the after effects (which is constant since I'm chronic).  Oh isn't this fun!! And these are stressful TIMES we live in, no doubt...which doesn't help any of us in any way.  But I truly did think I was going crazy until I received replies on this message board of those who have experienced it also.  So I send back to you a BIG THANK YOU ...you've helped immensely Randy.  I am determined to find an answer to these 'things'.  As Don Henley says...I will not go quietly!
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Reply #30 - Oct 8th, 2009 at 1:15pm
 
Sounds like we are very similar Grace.  The "outside edge" analogy really struck a chord with me.  You are definitely experiencing the same thing.  You seem to have the necessary, take control, attitude required to get back on track with a normal life.  Or as normal as can be expected given the circumstances.  For me, there was no miracle doctor, drug, or religion that helped.  In the end, it was a combination of "all of the above".  Self education, tons of reading, seeking out & speaking with others in the same boat, seeing different specialists, trying different drug therapies, practicing relaxation techniques, massage therapy.  There was no magic, just allot of determination, trial & error, & hard work to get back to a state of relative peace.  This web site has helped me a great deal.  It's comforting just to know it is here.  Hang in there Grace, you will succeed.
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Reply #31 - Oct 8th, 2009 at 7:51pm
 
Hey Grace-
I told you I would get back to you after the doc.  So far, I had a CT scan of my face, ear area, and neck.  It was normal.  I will prob have more when I ever get into the Neurologist because I have an appointment with a new one but it is not until January!  I am stopping the Zyprexa (great for occasional use to abort) and increasing the Verapamil.  I forgot to tell you about that.  It is a blood pressure medication and works WELL to control clusters.  Tomorrow will be 2 weeks since my last headache but I am in Cluster Brain badly because my cycle was so heavy.  So...I am to increase the Verapamil as if I were still having the headaches and if that doesn't work, I am to start a Medral pack (steroid dose pack) for the inflamation left in my head causing the weirdness.  I was really suppose to do both at the same time, but I will not do that.  Too chicken.  If the Verapamil increase doesn't work, I will then consider the Medral pack.  I don't like the thought of the Zyprexa either, but I knew nothing about it when he gave me the samples and I was desperate...and it worked.  My daughter also monitors me closely...she is a pharmacist.  I will let you know how things go.  If I were you, I would try the Verapamil due to the least amount of serious side effects (unless you take large doses).  I am taking 60mg divided into 3 doses per day right now.  That is a very low dose but I am very sensitive to medication and rarely need much of anything.  Most people seem to take much, much more on here and I may have to as well next time...who knows.  Hope this helps!  That's all I know for now.

Joni    Smiley
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Reply #32 - Oct 8th, 2009 at 8:52pm
 
Joni...Did you have an MRI of your brain? Sorry if you've mentioned it before and I missed it...I just wasn't sure.  Glad you're stopping the Zyprexa...that sounded like scary stuff.  As for Verapamil and it being a blood pressure med...my BP is really low.  Sometimes 90/60, 80/40.  Had this checked as well and was told I would probably live longer than most unless I was run over by a bus.  Really..that's what the specialist said. So I don't know if a BP med would be appropriate.  What are RC seeds?  I've also considered having my Neuro ordering an MRI for my neck/sinuses/carotids, whatever.   I also sent you a message which I don't know if you got because I'm computer challenged as well sometimes, but I mentioned menopause.  I noticed you're 55 and I'm about to be 57 and have been going thru menopause for 11 years.  Someone mentioned to me that Ch's often come at the end of menopause.  Have you ever heard  anything like this?  Also, and I know I'm jumping from topic to topic, but it's because there are so many questions I want to ask...but do you ever have trouble with your eyes...not the droopy eyelid thing, but almost like your vision isn't quite acute as it normally is.?  Also, have you tried the kudzu/melatonin? Last night I took the kudzu before bed, but the beast came knocking on my door.  Didn't quite get all the way in but all night I had some degree of pain.  I fell asleep finally with an ice bag on my head.   Also I am a smoker, which probably doesn't help matters, but sometimes it's the only thing that keeps my nerves in check. OK, I'm rattling on like a broken chatty Kathy, so I'll stop bombarding you with questions for now.  I'm so glad you got back to me tho.  Please keep me posted on your progress as well.

Randy...Thanks for the encouraging words.  It is really great to have you all to talk to.
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Reply #33 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 1:53pm
 
Well now, you can all go right ahead and call me gobsmacked!!!  Reading this thread has me so encouraged I can't even express it!   Cheesy

I started another thread asking folks about before and after symptoms thinking I had not seen anything about my experiences.   Grace responded and suggested I read this thread.  Funny thing is, just 2-3 messages in and I realized I had in fact read it before!!  What the Heck?!?!    If that isn't proof of the confusion we have been speaking of, what is?!

I had my last BIG hit Monday evening and am only now feeling close to normal.  Three nights of very little (3-4 hours) sleep (I'm beginning to wonder if there weren't one or more lower level Kip HA?) finally had me resorting to taking sleep medication last night around 9:00 PM.  Even that didn't work till about 2:00 AM. By then, I was completely agitated physically and finally just collapsed. 

I've been unable to think clearly, can't remember little things and in my other post, I described it as feeling "hungover".  While there has been the weariness and weakness of the "physical" side of things, the more distressing part is what many of you are describing, the "cognitive" issues.  BLECH!!!

While it has been disturbing to hear others suffer from the aftermath of the CH as I do, it sure eases the isolation and reduces the sense of uniqueness.  Particularly hearing that some folks go a few days between hits has been revealing.  I had been doubting the diagnosis sinced I have gone as much as 4-5 days between attacks but then can have multiple a day for 2-3 days.

Thanks all, I'll go exhale now   Wink

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Reply #34 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 6:17pm
 
It is a relief, isn't it, just to know someone else is feeling this weird crap.  I can't thank Joni and Randyvv enough..they don't realize the extent to which they've helped me.  Because of them, I'm coping with this oh so much better.  At least I know I'm not going crazy, altho that might be debateable.  However, it helps to know you're not alone.  But once you recognize it for what it is, it's actually easier to control.  So hop on in this boat Gary...there's always room for more.
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Reply #35 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 10:28pm
 
Grace-
It is so good to hear that you feel better about feeling so bad!  Isn't that a funny sentence?!  But you, and everyone else, know what I mean.  Thank goodness for this site!  Let me know how you are doing.

My headaches are completely gone!  Woohoo!  But...I don't feel well because of the Verapamil, and every time I try to cut it down, I get that pressure in my eye/ear/head exactly where my cluster pain is.  I am so discouraged about that, but I'll eventually get it worked out.  By now, I know that whatever works well for me to stop the headaches is also going to be very difficult to taper off of without them coming back.  Years ago, when I didn't take anything for them (most of my life), I never had that problem.  When they were over, they were over and I was back to normal!  Of course, I was younger then, too.  Another variable to consider is that I am now retired from teaching so my routine has changed dramatically.  It is so hard to believe that I taught school for 31 years with these things and only twice did I ever have to miss school for an extended length of time. 

The only thing that has scared me on this site is that they can change from episodic to chronic.  I had never heard of that before coming here and now that haunts me, sometimes.  I don't know how those people handle it!  Bless their hearts!!!

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Reply #36 - Oct 25th, 2009 at 7:01pm
 
Good to hear from you too, Joni.  Sorry you're having trouble with the lingering effects of Verapamil, but it's wonderful that your clusters are gone for now.  My kudzu and taurine seem to be doing something because my headaches are changing ...less severe and less often.  I guess if you can go from episodic to chronic, you can also go from chronic to episodic...you think?  All I know is that I'm not having them every night like I was.  I do get this funny feeling in the back of my head like porcupine needles, but I don't know if it's related to clusters.  It's nothing I can't handle, it's just annoying. But my painic attacks seem to have vanished and I have you all to thank for that. 
My best friend was an airline flight attendant and she was having all these changes occur...cognitive issues, periodic blindness, muscle weakness, etc.  She went to 7 doctors before she was properly diagnosed with MS.  She always told me that the scariest thing about going thru this was not knowing what was wrong...once it was diagnosed, she could deal with it to the best of her ability.  She has since passed away, but she gave it a good fight.  But I know what she means...when I was going thru all that weirdness, feeling like I was on the outside looking in, woozy and unsteady....I thought...what the hell is wrong with me?  Is there more going on than Clusters?  I had almost convinced myself that I was going crazy or dying, or both.  But you all put a name to it, and then I knew I wasn't the only one experiencing these horrible feelings.  I think I was so afraid that I put myself into painic mode.  So everything was compounded.  Now I have a handle on it and I'm going to be fine. I think everyone on this site has helped someone in some way, and isn't that rewarding?  My husband and I both agree that this site is the best thing that has happened to me!  So Joni...enjoy your cluster-free days but stay close...someone here always needs you.
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Reply #37 - Oct 26th, 2009 at 12:00am
 
grace wrote on Oct 25th, 2009 at 7:01pm:
Good to hear from you too, Joni.  Sorry you're having trouble with the lingering effects of Verapamil, but it's wonderful that your clusters are gone for now.  My kudzu and taurine seem to be doing something because my headaches are changing ...less severe and less often.  I guess if you can go from episodic to chronic, you can also go from chronic to episodic...you think?  All I know is that I'm not having them every night like I was.  I do get this funny feeling in the back of my head like porcupine needles, but I don't know if it's related to clusters.  It's nothing I can't handle, it's just annoying. But my painic attacks seem to have vanished and I have you all to thank for that. 
My best friend was an airline flight attendant and she was having all these changes occur...cognitive issues, periodic blindness, muscle weakness, etc.  She went to 7 doctors before she was properly diagnosed with MS.  She always told me that the scariest thing about going thru this was not knowing what was wrong...once it was diagnosed, she could deal with it to the best of her ability.  She has since passed away, but she gave it a good fight.  But I know what she means...when I was going thru all that weirdness, feeling like I was on the outside looking in, woozy and unsteady....I thought...what the hell is wrong with me?  Is there more going on than Clusters?  I had almost convinced myself that I was going crazy or dying, or both.  But you all put a name to it, and then I knew I wasn't the only one experiencing these horrible feelings.  I think I was so afraid that I put myself into painic mode.  So everything was compounded.  Now I have a handle on it and I'm going to be fine. I think everyone on this site has helped someone in some way, and isn't that rewarding?  My husband and I both agree that this site is the best thing that has happened to me!  So Joni...enjoy your cluster-free days but stay close...someone here always needs you. 


Grace, it is good to hear you are doing better.  When my headaches get less severe and less often, they are usually winding down.  Maybe yours will!  It would be great to go from chronic to episodic!  I wish that for you.  I have had all sorts of weird feelings in my head during a bout with headaches, so the porcupine thing is probably related.  I did have needle like tingling on the top and side of my head but I don't remember the back.  I know for sure I would have had panic attacks if it hadn't been that so many in my family had Clusters and I grew up seeing it and knowing they all were okay!  My mother's finally stopped as she aged and my sister's have gotten better (she is 7 years older than me).  I realize that doesn't mean mine will, but it gives me hope.  Even now, every time I have a bad cycle, I sometimes wonder about all the things I am feeling and seem to forget that it is just from the headaches, exhaustion, and medication.  It is so hard to keep a clear head when you feel so badly!  You just can't see the forest for the trees!   I won't leave the site.  There is always something to learn and share. 

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