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Dec 3rd, 2009 at 8:36am
 
Hi,
Have been having these kind of headaches for a few years now and just assumed that they were a type of migraine (which I also suffer from), so I looked up my symptoms and they matched with the cluster headache. Its such a relief to find this site and realise other people get the headaches as bad as me - am still recovering from waking up at 2.30 this morning in agony as yet another attack took hold of my head. If anyone has any advice on trying to get rid of the pain, I'd love to hear it as so far the only thing that gives me slight relief is by putting pressure on my "knife wound".
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Reply #1 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 9:17am
 
Welcome Razzie!

Sorry you had to find us.  Please get to a neuro to rule out anything else beyond the CH.  Take the "cluster quiz" on the left of the screen for a preliminary (not solid) diagnosis.  Read as much as you can on this site.
It has helped me and many others with alternative therapy in treating CH.

Best of luck!

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Reply #2 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 9:50am
 
Hi Razzie, Sorry to hear it.. I do not have migraines so I can't help there at all.

When a CH wakes you are you 'IN Pain' right then?

Usually I am not, the beast will wake me up and then take me for a ride. This is important, because if you can get O2 flowing into your lungs before the real attack starts, you can defeat most of the entire attack often times in far less time than the CH would be.

Using O2 has far less after effects than most any other meds.

In my personal findings, what seems to happen is if I abort with trex, I prolong my season. (I am not chronic) If I use trex the rebound can be worse, and other attacks can be worse.

So I do not take trex to abort very often. I will when I need a break, knowing the above is likely to happen.

The problem with using O2 is that if you are in pretty bad pain not kip 10, the O2 takes longer to act, and somewhere around kip 8 it seems to not work at all.

Read in the left side menu to find what kip is, and other tips.

I have not yet tried seeds or shrooms, but in my past used illegal drugs for partyin', and no longer do. I would assume each of them have after effects that I would not personally desire at this point in my life.
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Reply #3 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 10:34am
 
Good advice to take the cluster quiz, and get to a neuro to rule anything else out. The internet is a great place to do research but self diagnosis presents some serious risks. If the cluster quiz points you solidly to CH, take the results with you to the neuro and see if they can firm up the diagnosis for you....then....

1: You will want a good preventative medication, Verapamil, Lithium and Topomax are 3 of the front runners. This is a med you take daily while on cycle to reduce the number and intensity of your attacks. I use lithium at 1200 mg a day while on cycle, blocks about 70% of my hits.

2: A good abortive regimen...the headache has started, now what? Read the oxygen info link on the left. It should be your first line abortive. I can kill an attack completely in less then 10 minutes huffing the 02. Imitrex injectables and nasal inhalers are effective but there is some concern by sufferers that these may extend cycles.

For now, since you suffer from the dreaded "night time terrors", try taking Melatonin at night. An OTC supplement available at health food and vitamin outlets. Start with 6 mg a night and increase until you get some relief from the wake ups. Keep a few cans of energy drinks around the house, any containing the combo of caffeine and taurine. Chug one at the first sign of an attack. Many can reduce or abort an attack using these.

Welcome to the board. If it is CH, the good news is it won't kill you, and while we haven't found a cure for it, there are effective treatments to reduce the ouch time!

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Reply #4 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 10:36am
 
I'm going to the docs tomorrow to see what help I can get. This is my fifth attack in about 4 weeks and they always seem to happen when the weather changes (winter -> spring and autumn -> winter). I kind of knew that I might have one last night as I had what I think you guys call a "shadow" during the day yesterday - tried taking painkillers, but nothing would shift it.
Had the typical thing of waking up in the early hours with the pain, teary eyes, stuffy nose and wanting to shout at my husband everytime he moved, although I'm sure that the feeling was mutual as I couldn't stop wriggling.
As they mostly happen at night time for me, it always feels a very lonely time, so it was great to find this forum which seems so supportive.
Thanks for the messages -I'll let you know how I get on.
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Reply #5 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 10:36am
 
Mac_Muz wrote on Dec 3rd, 2009 at 9:50am:
I have not yet tried seeds or shrooms, but in my past used illegal drugs for partyin', and no longer do. I would assume each of them have after effects that I would not personally desire at this point in my life.
I can't tell you or anybody what to do, but I can tell you my results with seeds and that is reducing my cycles and eliminating some all together with absolutely NO side affects (other than a little nausea and being tired) what so ever.
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Reply #6 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 10:43am
 
razzie wrote on Dec 3rd, 2009 at 10:36am:
I'm going to the docs tomorrow to see what help I can get. This is my fifth attack in about 4 weeks and they always seem to happen when the weather changes (winter -> spring and autumn -> winter). I kind of knew that I might have one last night as I had what I think you guys call a "shadow" during the day yesterday - tried taking painkillers, but nothing would shift it.
Had the typical thing of waking up in the early hours with the pain, teary eyes, stuffy nose and wanting to shout at my husband everytime he moved.
As they mostly happen at night time for me, it always feels a very lonely time, so it was great to find this forum which seems so supportive.
Thanks for the messages -I'll let you know how I get on.
Ahhhh.... Razzie I completely know where you're coming from.  Before I started using Melatonin before bed, I would get up and go downstairs and pace around with the ice pack and chug my energy drink.  I tolerate pain well.  I'm planning on getting O2 after my next neuro visit in 2 weeks.  The problem with sleep is that the CH is usually too strong to kill with trex injections or energy drinks.  Aborting is all about timing as you know.  Once I would wake up, it's usually too late so  I would pump my arms above my head and breathe deeply almost like doing yoga.  I cannot be in bed because i'd probably knock my wife out kind of like what you said.
Check out taking Melatonin for those night hits.  I was taking 9mg 1/2 hour before bed each night.  Slept like a baby through the cycle.  I'm very fortunate to have short cycles, but I owe that to the seeds which is a whole other topic.  Read as much as you can here.  You'll be amazed.

Good luck!

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Reply #7 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 10:45am
 
My advice: Don't put complete faith in anything a neuro says, unless the neuro is a headache specialist, and even then  if you're diagnosed with CH you might want to come back here and report and compare notes regarding what you've been prescribed (even the headache specialist could be ignorant/way behind the times regarding how to best administer O2).

Also, if you're going to use the very popular Imitrex abortive, don't accept the pill form. They don't work well for most CH sufferers. Injections are the most effective.
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CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #8 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 10:58am
 
Welcome!  You have come to a great place.  There is nothing more I can add at this point.

Good luck!
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Reply #9 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 12:21pm
 
I'm starting to think that O2 therapy is one tool to help diagnose CH's. I have yet to see O2 work the kind of miracles on other type of headaches as it does for CH's.

This certainly does crate any "absolutes" because O2 doesn't work for all Clusterheads. But if it kills an attack that looks like CH, it may help prove the point.

Kinda like the inverse of Nitro.

Anyone know if O2 kills any other severe headaches?

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Reply #10 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 1:26pm
 
Marc wrote on Dec 3rd, 2009 at 12:21pm:
Anyone know if O2 kills any other severe headaches?

Marc
Marc, I know the one welder in our shop downstairs use to suck on the O2 tank after a rough night drinking and he would actually get some relief from that believe it or not.
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Reply #11 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 7:13pm
 
Chad wrote on Dec 3rd, 2009 at 10:36am:
Mac_Muz wrote on Dec 3rd, 2009 at 9:50am:
I have not yet tried seeds or shrooms, but in my past used illegal drugs for partyin', and no longer do. I would assume each of them have after effects that I would not personally desire at this point in my life.
I can't tell you or anybody what to do, but I can tell you my results with seeds and that is reducing my cycles and eliminating some all together with absolutely NO side affects (other than a little nausea and being tired) what so ever.



Chad, Thanks that is good to know. I did all sorts of crap when I was young. Ten feet tall and bullet proof ya know?

Once LSD was a recreation, as were shrooms. I never got busted, but out grew it, or just wanted controll of myself back.

As a result i don't do the wild woodland weed anymore either, or drink in excess. Just not interested..

So I would be less interested in seeds if there was any high and more so if there was any after effects. I know about after effects from things like shrooms and LSD.

I have been a welder and sort of still am a welder and I used to do the 02 trick, sometimes in the act of welding for the fumes.. Mostly on cars will zinc galvanized coating on exhausts.

Many systems were shipped by bus and so would be cut up to fit the cargo bay on a bus. Benze cars also were a weld fit, no slip on pipes for them back then.

When I came here and read O2, I took it as a joke, or some ineffective remidy, but when I tried it, it worked better than I would have expected.

I tend to avoid doctors, and or take meds for anything. Over the counter meds seem about useless for me. And unless you get a good doctor, which never seems to happen with me, I end up feeling like a guini pig, while they try all their voo doo.

I lost my spleen in a motorcycle crash, and when my son, some many years ago fell out of a tree and landed on a milk crate the doctor wanted to slice and dice my kid and i just calmly asked what was his BP. With that the whole place went nuts. My now x wife did, 2 nurses did, and so did that doctor. Some guy with long hair in a mechanics suit wasn't supposed to know a thing about spleens.

Turned out I was right too, and the kid had a hematoma, and calm rest was a far better cure. I made them call in a ultra sond tech, which prioved I was right, and the hospital never had any intent to do so  Angry

Then there was a time my kid was miffed because he wanted a scar worth braggin' about  Roll Eyes

For those who go to doctors these days for this need to have done all their homework, and be able to back it up IMO..


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