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Dec 8th, 2009 at 10:42pm
 
hello..   i am not "new"..   not really...  i have looked on this site before and posted some rants and questions....     how about, kinda new

im 34...  this all started a year ago for me.   i have yet to take anything for my problem and am self diagnosed.  i have lost several jobs and have been on the brink of home-less-ness.  i have zero insurance and zero money.  but i do have a girlfriend and she does have great insurance.  we have been kicking around the idea of her going in ,,, with my symptoms.  was wondering if anyone else has tried such a bait and switch trick?  i dont enjoy being dis-honest but have no idea what else i can do. 

this forum is a god-send...   thanks guys
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Reply #1 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 10:52pm
 
daxm wrote on Dec 8th, 2009 at 10:42pm:
hello..   i am not "new"..   not really...  i have looked on this site before and posted some rants and questions....     how about, kinda new

im 34...  this all started a year ago for me.   i have yet to take anything for my problem and am self diagnosed.  i have lost several jobs and have been on the brink of home-less-ness.  i have zero insurance and zero money.  but i do have a girlfriend and she does have great insurance.  we have been kicking around the idea of her going in ,,, with my symptoms.  was wondering if anyone else has tried such a bait and switch trick?  i dont enjoy being dis-honest but have no idea what else i can do. 

this forum is a god-send...   thanks guys
dax 

   Brilliant plan,  but what if ya got a tumor big as a grapefruit in there and your head explodes?
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Reply #2 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 10:56pm
 
if theres a grapefruit in there waiting to explode...  i guess its gonna happen either way..   but what if i could get some relief ..  that would be fantastic
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Reply #3 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 11:26pm
 
I haven't tried it, so I have no idea what the ramifications might be, sorry.

Being self diagnosed carries some real risks, no doubt, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who can afford a diagnosis, or who lives in Europe and enjoys a healthcare system that isn't horrible, but when it came to CH it didn't stop me and I was lucky. I was self diagnosed for many years before getting an official headache specialist diagnosis, and I've had these things for 30 years now, so I guess no need for an MRI.  Cheesy

Certainly I've embraced desperate measures during desperate CH times, going into debt to pay for imitrex, mail ordering it and other meds without prescription from foreign countries, etc.

I imagine O2 from a welding supply place might be your cheapest way to find relief, if you did get any cash flow going.

Sorry to hear about your predicament dax, and I sure hope you get a break here real soon.

Since winter is coming on I suppose you could always try going outside and deep breathing some really cold air during the onset of an attack - that's a freebie that I've used to abort attacks after reading about it online.....





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Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #4 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 11:27pm
 
funny on the news just now in nyc..  they did a short segment on ch...   seems O2 is getting a lot of attention....

ohh   hey i was wondering where i could find this, "kip scale" i keep reading about
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Reply #5 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 11:31pm
 
thanks bejeeber....   i like that name by the way...   yeah i have looked into some welding suppliers here in new york..    it seems doable...  ohhh and its freezing outside...    hahha   thanks again
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Reply #6 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 12:37am
 
daxm wrote on Dec 8th, 2009 at 11:27pm:
hey i was wondering where i could find this, "kip scale" i keep reading about


Do the links on the left (including "the kip scale") show up in your browser view?

If not, well this site is a bit messed up in that regard and some people aren't going to see the links depending on where they navigated from - try this url: Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
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CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #7 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 7:33pm
 
Hi and welcome back!
It's a very dangerous idea to be frank. You could risk criminal charges for obtaining drugs fraudulently, she could lose her insurance (and never get insurance cover again) Fraud charges WOULD affect employment both now and in the future for both of you..
There is a lot to consider. I hate to just sit here and be so negative but I wouldn't be doing you any favours if I didn't.

Self diagnosis is no diagnosis. I have symptoms for everything from Aids to Ed Zachary disease if I read a medical enclyclopaedia! (Ed Zachary being the match for my symptoms and any given disease!)

As Potter has pointed out, you don't know what is going on inside your head. If you aren't working is there any way you could get free healthcare such as medicare or anything? Have you checked with any employment agencies as to whether there is anything you can do?

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Reply #8 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 9:49pm
 
Hey Daxm, thought I'd chime in as I to am broke and unemployed with no insurance here in Michigan, the great state to live in right now much less the U.S. (NOT). I did recently get to go the doc and get some meds so I am fortunate but lets talk about before. The welding supply Co. for o2 is a good idea. Not always feasible, but better than trying to afford the doc visit just to get the rx for it. Angela here on this site says she gets the masks to go with it from her local hospital, sometimes for free so give that a try if you get the o2. I was/am also buying monster or red bull energy drinks and chugging them. Saw it mentioned on here and said "What the hell"? I'll try it for $2.50. Seems to help the time duration or at least the intensity. Don't forget the operative word chug. Others say cheap nasal spray works at least sometimes for them, but don't count on that one to much. The cold air also helps. If I get to hot or just to comfortable temp wise, I'm just askin for one. Lastly, if you can get into a free clinic or sliding fee scale clinic that would be best. Make sure you print out some info on the condition and the meds used for it as you shouldn't expect most regular docs to even know what clusters are so arm yourself or you'll go home with a rx that isn't worth a damn. Even with the best person treating you, the meds can vary immensely on what is given so I'm sorry if this doesn't help but I can you three costs. Just got prednisone, verapimil and o2 rx's. Prednisone-$7, Verapimil-$3 and o2-$58 a month. Sorry for the rambling but I am so poor and can feel your pain literally and figuratively. Hope any of this helps.
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Reply #9 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 10:19am
 
Besides the O2 as the first line abortive, I just remembered this in another thread - am copying it here in case you haven't read about it yet:

... if you wished to try imitrex injections and had a prescription, last I heard, Glaxo has a thing they do where they supply free  doses to those in a terrible financial crunch such as yours.

Not that I think imitrex is necessarily all that great as the only treatment for CH. I and some others have found there to be a potential problem with rebound attacks and such when it is used exclusively.


Of course you'd want to administer it a la the "imitrex tip" on the left, which will triple or at least double the doses available to you.
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CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #10 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 12:16pm
 
Bejeeber is right. There are a lot of places where you can get meds in need however you do need a diagnosis to participate in those schemes

You have stated you're self diagnosed and the first thing you need is somehow, to see a doctor and get an accurate diagnosis as without that, you won't get any meds.

Remission lover had some really good advice for you there, try and follow up and see if you can make that work for you

Good luck!
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Reply #11 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 5:17pm
 
first i want to thank you guys for your info and recommendations ....

well  ..   dont hate me but i went to the doctors today with the girlfriend...  it seemed to work...   doc gave us a script for sumatriptan, 50 mg tablets (9) in all.  and butal-apap-325-caff 40 mg tablets fioricet.  doc seemed sorta knowledgable about CH but really leaned towards a migraine diagnosis.  was wondering if you folks knew much about these meds.

LeLimey, bejeeber, remission lover and Potter....  really... thanks a lot for the help....   
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Reply #12 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 5:40pm
 
Were you pretending she had the ha's? If so, the migraine diagnosis doesn't surprise me. Many doctors are under the false impression that women don't get CH.. if its migraine the sumatriptan tablets will help, if not - they'll be as good as m&m's
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Reply #13 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 5:51pm
 
im not to sure what you mean by the, "ha's".   she went in explaining in detail my exact symptoms ...  sumatriptan SUCC looks like a generic imitrex.  god all this seems so creepy... sneaky business..  but i am desperate.
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Reply #14 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 7:09pm
 
sorry - I meant head aches - common abbreviation here!
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Reply #15 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 7:32pm
 
"ha's" are short for headaches.  Lots of abb's (abbreviations) thrown around here. 

These CH's tend to make us desperate sometimes, the pain is soo intense and the anxiety of the next attack.  Don't feel bad.  Just be extra careful with your doses and follow the instructions.  Ask for pointers and tips here, we are expert patients.

LeLimey (Helen) was identifying that most doc's don't think women can get CH's, they think it is migraines.  So your doc probably thought your girlfriend couldn't possibly get CH's. But, us ladies do get the CH.  Men also get migraines....

I don't get a rx for O2, I use welding grade, beer regulator (15lpm) and I get a free mask from my doc (non-rebreather).  O2 is the best thing you can do for yourself w/o getting into medications.  Keep looking into getting yourself set up, you are on the right track.

I hope the best for you and your girlfriend, she seems pretty awesome!!  Definitely a keeper   Wink

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Reply #16 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 7:50pm
 
ahhh...    see... i am new..   ha = head-ache..  got it...  yeah oxygen sweet sweet oxygen..  i hear you are a real magician with the HA's....  angela that is for sure the next step....    a few questions though...   as far as traveling around with such an assortment of tanks and such...  i live in nyc and use the subway often...   do they come in small sizes...  the welding tanks?  like something that would fit into a back-pack?   thanks again...
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Reply #17 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 8:21pm
 
E tanks are the standard portable sized tanks which will be way to large for a backpack.  I have seen smaller O2 tanks but they are used primarily by people with COPD or other breathing problems where the flow rate required are fairly low.  At a 15 lpm rate I'm afraid those mini cylinders wouldn't give you enough O2 for over 1 or 2 hits.

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Reply #18 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 8:34pm
 
I live in a polar opposite lifestyle than you!  Wow.  I've been on a subway one time, or I guess the underground in England (yes Helen, I've been to the UK, it was awesome!!).

I was given a backpack style O2 with nasal air lines when I first got a rx for it.  I gave it back.  I didn't think it would work.  I'm curious to know if you can get the backpack style, a non-rebreather mask for "on-the-go", and refill it when you get home if needed.  I am pretty sure the flow rate is really low on those, probably not enough to conquer a headache.  I know of people having a smaller tank they keep in their car.  I have done that myself.  But, on foot.  Hmmm, that's a new one. 

I don't carry a tank in my car anymore.  I use Imitrex injectors for when I leave the house. 

Have you tried red bull yet? Or really strong coffee?

This puzzle is gonna get completed!!  I am gonna ask around.

Angela

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Reply #19 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 9:52pm
 
The self diagnosis sucks but if that's all you got it's all you got. Undecided

As far as them automatically thinking it's migrains cuz it's a woman...it used to be thought women didn't get CH, only men! Obviously if you hang out here at all you'll see that's not the case.

If you have access to oxygen...and can get on it at the first sign of an attack...and it aborts the attack...it's a good indication it's CH. But for 02 to work, your lungs must get ONLY 02. NO outside air, NO air you've exhaled, 100% oxygen.

Try keeping some energy drinks on hand. Monster, Rock Star, any containing the combo of caffeine and taurine. Many can abort or really lessen an attack by chugging one at the first sign of an attack.

Watch the firocet. I used fiorinal in the early 80's, helped a bit at first but lost it's effectiveness very quickly, anf has a real risk of dependancy.

Hang in there...

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Reply #20 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 10:20pm
 
You're the one who has to look yourself in the mirror every day. I guess you can choose to like or dislike what you see.

"Dishonest" operates at a different level than "neurological condition."
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Reply #21 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 10:30pm
 
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US???

In more than 11 years here I do not believe I have ever heard of someone doing this.  Desperate, I understand.  Doing something sneaky like this and potentially dangergous...nope.  This is a first all right.
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Reply #22 - Dec 11th, 2009 at 10:42pm
 
angela.lambert wrote on Dec 11th, 2009 at 8:34pm:
.............  I'm curious to know if you can get the backpack style, a non-rebreather mask for "on-the-go", and refill it when you get home if needed. 


I carry 1 or 2 "C" size medical tanks in a small canvas shoulder bag or a backpack depending upon where I'm going.

The C size is a little over 4" in diameter and about 11" long. It holds roughly 250 liters, about 35% of an E tank.  It gives me 10 minutes at 25 lpm which works for my daytime hits because I only need about 5 minutes. (The nighttime monsters require much higher flow)

I bought a couple of them last year for about $50 each brand new.

I refill all my little C, D and E tanks from 9300 liter the "mothership" welding tank at home.

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Reply #23 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 12:27am
 
Hey Daxm, I remember one person on here saying the imitrex pills worked for them. Most people report not so hot results at all compared to the injections though.

The pills don't tend to work fast enough to abort an attack, but one way to use them is to pop one before bed if you're pretty much assured of getting hit after going to sleep. That way its getting in there ahead of time and can kinda prevent the attack I guess. This is if you don't have anything else like O2 or injections at your disposal.

If the pills aren't working for your wonderfully compassionate girlfriend's CH attacks,  Smiley, she might wanna ask for the injections instead - keep in mind you can take 1/3 to 1/2 dose with the injections, they still work, and it is a great thing the way it really makes a little imitrex go a long way.  Smiley
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CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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