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Reply #25 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:00pm
 
Mac and Brew,

I'll just put it to him this way.  If you're willing to spot the $100 to cover the tests, i'll take it.  Otherwise, you can omit that test from your observation. 

Out of the two neuros I have been to, this guy is much better than the other jackass for the mere reason of pushing for O2 therapy and clusterbusting.
My first neuro rolled his eyes at me when I said I spoke on chat boards to folks like yourselves.  This new guys encouraged it.  He even showed me framed drawings of other clusterheads and how they feel when they get hit.  If the MMPI test is the only disagreement i've had with him thus far, that's minor.  He's a keeper.
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Reply #26 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:06pm
 
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My first neuro rolled his eyes at me when I said I spoke on chat boards to folks like yourselves.

I would too. Look at the likes of us.... Grin
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Reply #27 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:09pm
 
Brew wrote on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:06pm:
I would too. Look at the likes of us.... Grin
Brew, I wouldn't expect anything less coming from you, lol
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Reply #28 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:15pm
 
Mac_Muz wrote on Dec 17th, 2009 at 2:12pm:
Brew, Fixed i guess... Dunno what that was..

I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but that MMPI test isn't either. Anyone who wasted their time filling that out deserves what ever is said by a ju ju witch doctor, as that to me is about as much good as it can do.

I can see anyone can read into it what they want to see. I wouldn't do one, much less pay to take it.

I can tell if paint is in a pot, or if it's mud, plain right off..

Maybe anyone who takes that test should also consider paying for a nice tea leaf reading..  Grin


I'm actually going to have to disagree with you on your assessment of the MMPI.  While I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to someone just because they have an illness or deal with chronic pain, it is a valuable psychological test.  It is considered the gold standard for evaulating psychological problems.

I do take offense somewhat at the reference to juju witch doctor, as the this test is used by psychologists and psychiatrists, many of whom I know personally to be good people.  And..........although the person taking it might manipulate their answers, the outcome itself is not variable.  Answers will fall into certain parameters and that is how diagnosis is made.
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Reply #29 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:30pm
 
deltadarlin, No offence, but if this is considered the gold standard for evaulating psychological problems we as a Nation are in deep kimshee.

Once I lived for 3 winters (years) in a tee pee, off the land because i was hurt on the job and AIG screwed me out of back surgery. I was sent at one point for a psychological exam.

That ju ju doctor was as gay as a rainbow. He wore frilly scarves and had hundreds tied to a floor lamp.

I would maintain I was more average and more normal, what ever that is, than that so called doctor, who held out a pinky just ever so', and behaved as if he were a woman. He was very proud of his scarf collection.

Now before this goes totally south, I worked with a gay guy building wooden musical items, like church organs, and a female gay, driving teams of horses to haul tourists around in winter on a really big sleigh (logging pung), and had no problems with them.

But Doctor fu fu was just over the top. I didn't fill the prescription he gave me either, as there wasn't anything wrong with my thinking, while the court thought so. The court was upset because i got their papers a little too damp for their liking.

The court failed to understand when I said tee pee and woods I ment tee pee and living in the woods. It just happened to be -50 below 0 degrees F. It wasn't my fault no court investigator would come after I made an invite for around 3:00 am any time they wanted.

That test is total schlock.

The problem is there is no 'science' in any one of the questions..
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Reply #30 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:35pm
 
Chad, any time you want to come to NH I can read your tea leaves and I bet 1/2 of it will come true.

That test is as good as flipping a coin..

Brew wrote on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:06pm:
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My first neuro rolled his eyes at me when I said I spoke on chat boards to folks like yourselves.

I would too. Look at the likes of us.... Grin


To fix a neuro that rolls his eyes, try sticking a red hot bayonett in one of his eyes and he will see what 'normal' is for us.

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I don't know what the policy is here on pics...

So this link is me and a buddy, I would be the fuzzy one, if anyone wants to know what I look like.
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Reply #31 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:49pm
 
Mac_Muz wrote on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:35pm:
To fix a neuro that rolls his eyes, try sticking a red hot bayonett in one of his eyes and he will see what 'normal' is for us.
Trust me Mac, I felt like punching the F'er out.
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Reply #32 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:50pm
 
deltadarlin wrote on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:15pm:
I'm actually going to have to disagree with you on your assessment of the MMPI.  While I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to someone just because they have an illness or deal with chronic pain, it is a valuable psychological test.  It is considered the gold standard for evaulating psychological problems.

I do take offense somewhat at the reference to juju witch doctor, as the this test is used by psychologists and psychiatrists, many of whom I know personally to be good people.  And..........although the person taking it might manipulate their answers, the outcome itself is not variable.  Answers will fall into certain parameters and that is how diagnosis is made.

I won't disagree with this, but I will disagree with anyone who says this test has any place in a neurologist's practice or has any place being applied to a patient who complains of debilitating headaches.

Perhaps once a competent neurologist dismisses a patient and suspects deeper rooted psychological problems....but the test should be administered by a psychologist or psychiatrist.
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Reply #33 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:54pm
 
Brew wrote on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:50pm:
I won't disagree with this, but I will disagree with anyone who says this test has any place in a neurologist's practice or has any place being applied to a patient who complains of debilitating headaches.

Perhaps once a competent neurologist dismisses a patient and suspects deeper rooted psychological problems....but the test should be administered by a psychologist or psychiatrist.
From what I understand, the test would be performed by a psychologists.  It won't be in my neuro's office If I do it at all. 
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Reply #34 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:55pm
 
Just tested my link...

I did KO a dentist once, but it was a mistake. He blew air on a really bad nerve, and found himself on the floor bleeding from the nose profusely, after he came too.
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Reply #35 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:05pm
 
Mac_Muz wrote on Dec 17th, 2009 at 3:55pm:
Just tested my link...

I did KO a dentist once, but it was a mistake. He blew air on a really bad nerve, and found himself on the floor bleeding from the nose profusely, after he came too.
OUCH!!!
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Reply #36 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:07pm
 
I see the test as that the medical proffession might not take this CH as real. No one could fake this mess, and no one would want to even if they had enough energy.

When I first looked at the thread I had no idea what the test was about. Vet posted the few questions and I read them ALL.

My Scottish temper went bonkers before I was done reading them all and so I began to mock the test as the hog wash it is.

I am sure with tea leaves i can come to the very same conclusions. Namely both the tea leaves and that test are one in the same thing. Total schlock.

I know what is real and what isn't. Maybe my way of looking at the beast isn't very real, since I am at war with it, but being at war with it helps me fight it.

I get to beat the beast down, just like it was a real 3-D beast. it helps me get out of bed in the middle of night, polish the brass grip on my torch handle and do battle sitting in a lawn chair out in the barn.

By the way i do like picking up my hankie if I accidently drop it so I can have something to blow my nose in... The only difference is my hankie is a roll of paper towels.

Thanks guys fer puttin up with my play. To me this is a place to play as well as learn.

I will admitt that I have Peter Pan Sydrome. This is a terrible affliction, and for it I do not want to grow up... 58 years now, going on 14.. it works for me.  Grin
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Reply #37 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:10pm
 
Brew,
Think I already said what you did, didn't I?
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Reply #38 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:19pm
 
Good to see you wear (or wore) a helmet, Mac.
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Reply #39 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:19pm
 
deltadarlin wrote on Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:10pm:
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Think I already said what you did, didn't I?

Yep. I was agreeing with you. Wasn't I? Wink
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Reply #40 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 5:26pm
 
I find it outrageous that anyone would want to administer that test to people with cluster headaches - it's not like people with 'suicide headaches' are more likely to have serious problems that might result in other problems. Oh, wait, they are!  Maybe all doctors should do psychological screening on clusterheads and follow up if need be with some additional support.
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Reply #41 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 7:03pm
 
Chad,
I'd forego the MMPI.  It's actually not designed for general psychological testing/usage.  The MMPI was designed to measure pathological personality traits

If the doc is worried about your emotional well-being, then that's fine, but that's where a good counselor (or this board) comes in.
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Reply #42 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 7:48pm
 
Brew wrote on Dec 17th, 2009 at 4:19pm:
Good to see you wear (or wore) a helmet, Mac.


I do and it is a lid free state... I don't have too, but it helps to put the mush in after a bad CH.  Wink There are some days it is just too nice and i may go with out, but not many are all that nice.

deltadarlin, There is a chance that test might help someone who has feet that don't touch the ground most of the time, but a Ch is far from that.

Giving that to a Ch'er is a insult, and saying they don't have pain, or that the pain is all in 'their' head, but not real and so 'they' are just making it up for the attention.

I deal in moving metal, bending it, welding it and timing moving parts and so I had better know what is real and what isn't.

A CH is as real as a timing belt on a engine, and if I get it wrong thar's gonna be a lot of smashed parts.

I assume you suffer from CH, and wonder what you would say if some schmuck doctor told you 'women don't get Ch take a assperin and go settle down' ???

Now I didn't say that, as I know better, but some doctors do......
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Reply #43 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 8:10pm
 
Mac,
I'm a little confused by your responses (nope, not a ch'er, just a migrainer who's supported her ch'er for over 25 years).  I have said on more than one occasion that I do not believe that the MMPI would be beneficial to Chad or any other person with ch.  or anyone with an illness or chronic pain.

Should I type slower?
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Reply #44 - Dec 17th, 2009 at 8:44pm
 
deltadarlin wrote on Dec 17th, 2009 at 8:10pm:
Mac,
I'm a little confused by your responses (nope, not a ch'er, just a migrainer who's supported her ch'er for over 25 years).  I have said on more than one occasion that I do not believe that the MMPI would be beneficial to Chad or any other person with ch.  or anyone with an illness or chronic pain.

Should I type slower?


WAUGH! Yeah maybe you should!  Grin I will freely admit to being something of a good and proper knuckle dragger...

T y p i n '  l i k e  t h i s  j u s t  m i g h t  d o  i t  f e r  m e.  Wink
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Reply #45 - Dec 23rd, 2009 at 7:44pm
 
Alright, here's my opinion:  cluster headaches are still "shrouded" in mystery in the medical community.  Seems impossible to medical community that people could actually be experiencing so much pain without an actual physical injury.  Seems flabbergasting that these said people get pretty upset about having to have all that pain.  So, the next step is to start suspecting/probing things like personality defects/weaknesses, rather than face the fact that the damn headaches really hurt like hell.  Especially when they come over and over again and wake you up at night and then you have to cope with a lot of pain on top of having no sleep.  People don't understand what they haven't experienced--that's all.  That is the reason for the personality test to find out if the person is "overreacting" or "misinterpreting" the pain.  TOTAL BS.
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Reply #46 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 9:45am
 
Starlight,
I hate to be the voice of dissension here, but I think that what you are saying is absurd!   #1-that would be far beyond the realms of what the MMPI tests for and #2-Chad had already said that his doc was a good doc and he liked him.
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Reply #47 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 9:55am
 
deltadarlin wrote on Dec 24th, 2009 at 9:45am:
Starlight,
I hate to be the voice of dissension here, but I think that what you are saying is absurd!   #1-that would be far beyond the realms of what the MMPI tests for and #2-Chad had already said that his doc was a good doc and he liked him.
Heck, every doc may have something you don't agree with and if this MMPI test is the only thing, so be it.  Everything else he has said is dead on.  I had my MRI and EEG on Monday, that's usually routine. He writes scripts for the things I need like O2 and Trex inj. and most of all he supports the use of LSA and LSD.  I doubt half of everybodies neuros on here back that up.  I wouldn't trade this guy for the world.
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Reply #48 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 10:10am
 
Amen, Chad.  If you have a doc you like and trust, stay with them!

Starlight,
If there were a lot of docs who were recommending that ch'ers get psychological testing done, then your idea would be valid.  As it stands, I don't think many docs recommend psychological testing.
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