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Reply #50 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 12:01pm
 
Well, if Chad likes his doctor, that is great!  I am glad he found a good doc and that is all the matters is that he is giving him the right meds. 
I thought the question he asked on this thread was about the MMPI test being given in response to a person having CH.
What Chad could do, and I am sure it would clear everything up for him, is simply ask the neuro WHY he wanted him to take the MMPI test.
As a young woman one of the first doctors I saw for CH gave me a prescription for a psychologist--no medicines, no headache diagnosis, told me the pain was in my head.  That may have biased my response (but not by much).
It is not really an unknown concept that some doctors get frustrated trying to treat such a malady.
It is in the literature that some in the medical community have tried to pinpoint whether CHers have certain personality or coping weaknesses that "cause" or "contribute" to these headaches or that, on a different note, effect how the person "experiences" the headaches.
Although if someone broke their leg, and said, "wow this hurts real bad", noone would undertake studies probing into that person's personality structure, in any way trying to connect personality makeup with the experience or existence of the pain from their broken leg.
Chad's doctor does not sound like he is among those who doubt the experience of CH sufferers or blame them (although there are those out there--I have run into them in the medical community even those who have reached the ever so elevated level of neurologist).
Chad's doctor sounds like a very good doctor, especially since he prescribes oxygen.  I do think when a doc recommends something like an MMPI test they should probably explain why they are recommending the person take it.  If they choose not to offer an explanation to the person and the person posts about it on a thread, then those responding on the thread are free to offer opinions based on their own experience, etc. as to why the doctor is wanting the person to take the test.
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Reply #51 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 12:10pm
 
I just looked over some of the questions from the MMPI test listed here on this thread.
Now one item was "I see people and animals that are not there" lol!  That is funny.
Or "I think my father was a good man" lol!
Can you see how if someone is plagued by a painful headache disorder, it won't matter much if they see animals that are not there or not or fairies floating in the air or not--it will still hurt a lot!

Anyway, I hope everyone has a good Christmas!  And Chad your doc sounds good, sometimes it is very hard to get an oxygen prescription so I would definitely stay with your doctor, he is trying his best.

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Reply #52 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 12:31pm
 
Layla328 wrote on Dec 24th, 2009 at 12:10pm:
I just looked over some of the questions from the MMPI test listed here on this thread.
Now one item was "I see people and animals that are not there" lol!  That is funny.
Or "I think my father was a good man" lol!
Can you see how if someone is plagued by a painful headache disorder, it won't matter much if they see animals that are not there or not or fairies floating in the air or not--it will still hurt a lot!

Anyway, I hope everyone has a good Christmas!  And Chad your doc sounds good, sometimes it is very hard to get an oxygen prescription so I would definitely stay with your doctor, he is trying his best.

Starlight, I do plan on asking my doc why for the test.  He did tell me something when I was at my visit, but I was overwhelmed with everything else that I kind of ignored what he said.  That's why I asked here if anybody has had this done.  Putting that test to the side, he approved and encourages me to use rc seeds.   When I said about using LSA as a prevent, his eyes lit up and was very supportive about using that therapy compared to my first neuro who just laughed and rolled his eyes.  All I wanted from this doc was O2 and I got it, plus support on my own personal therapy being the seeds.  He even gave me a rundown on how to use them when cycles are coming.  I was simply shocked and so happy, words can't even explain.  Again, if the MMPI test is the only thing I disagree with, that's not too shabby, right?
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Reply #53 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 2:34pm
 
I could possibly see a doctor wanting to know that a person is mentally stable before recommending the use of a drug that can be, at higher dosages, hallucinogenic. Unstable people are a bad trip waiting to happen.
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Reply #54 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 4:48pm
 
That is definitely a good doctor.  He sounds very supportive.  And sounds like he is supplying you with the best care possible.
All I was saying is the test sounds like a waste o' time. 
I doubt it can tell if people are mentally unstable anyway,
as most people who see things that aren't there don't realize that they aren't really there, etc.  Psychological tests have their limits.
Some of the craziest, least resilient people I know come out totally "sane" on tests like that.
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Reply #55 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 4:54pm
 
#44 Most of the time my head seems to hurt all over--well, there was a time I would have said yes to that except only part of the head hurting most of the time.
I think that would have been one point used against me.
Those clever psychologists.
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Reply #56 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 5:04pm
 
#48:  Sometimes when I am talking to people I am bothered by hearing very queer things--that would really depend on who I am talking to (sorry couldn't resist.)

Most of these statements are kind of transparent--I am surprised if a person, crazy though they may be, would not be able to just check off the "right" answers instead of the ones that make them look "crazy" but I do not know what "drop a hanky means"?
It might be fun to take the test just for fun.
I am sure it is harmless and maybe funny or fun to take.
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Reply #57 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 6:00pm
 
starlight , Yeah that test at a party would be a hoot, fer sartin, but not as a recorded life history. A document that would follow one around for life.

I can't make out that hanky question either, but I absolutely throw paper towels on the floor in that part of soaking them instantly with a right side blower, and need another shortly there after.

Basically I don't see much that test can say about a patient with CH.

Once I saw a head shrink, but no sooner did I and I knew it was him that needed the help and not me.

The guy was rainbow gay, and so unlike me, I considered his silk scarf collection all tied to a floor lamp, and the rest of 'her' mannerisms a moot point compared to me.

Now maybe if you sent me to a female head shrink I might consider that normal. I even asked if there was anything I could do help him..

Maybe that sort of thing would even pass muster in some city, but it won't a bit in rural New England.

I left never to return and left a script for something on her table too.
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Reply #58 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 7:59pm
 
I don't understand the resistance to this test. It is a well known, scientifically proven resource. Why all the paranoia?

Here are some listed uses for the test:

Numerous Uses
The MMPI-2 test’s contemporary normative sample and extensive research base help make it the gold standard in assessment for a wide variety of settings. The test can be used to help:

Assess major symptoms of social and personal maladjustment.
Identify suitable candidates for high-risk public safety positions.
Support classification, treatment, and management decisions in criminal justice and correctional settings.
Give a strong empirical foundation for a clinician's expert testimony.
Assess medical patients and design effective treatment strategies, including chronic pain management.
Evaluate participants in substance abuse programs and select appropriate treatment approaches.
Support college and career counseling recommendations.
Provide valuable insight for marriage and family counseling.

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Reply #59 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 11:24pm
 
Well, I'll try to answer that KJ.

In my experience, asking a crazy person if they are crazy doesn't work.  I've known people who see/hear or believe people are there who aren't, etc.  They don't know the people aren't there.  They don't know they are crazy.
I would probably come out with it saying I was not "perfect", sure I can see that from the statements, but I'll tell you I know I am resilient, never was nasty to anyone b/c of the head pain, more than I can say for most people I know if they were to have the CH regardless of what they would get on the test.
Test of character comes when faced with a situation.  Can it be found on a test, not sure, but I would say no, probably the test could find if someone was depressive, or generally dissatisfied in life, or suffered from generalized identity confusion (I am just scanning the questions and inferring).  Not sure test could figure out how one would respond to head pain.
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Reply #60 - Dec 25th, 2009 at 12:14am
 
Something a psychologist friend of mine told me a long time ago is that if you think you are crazy, you probably aren't. It's the ones sitting in the middle of Main Street, stark naked, whistling Dixie and believing themselves completely normal for doing so that you have to watch out for.
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Reply #61 - Dec 25th, 2009 at 9:21am
 
I wouldn't take the test unless it was mandated.  For one simple reason, if by chance a *diagnosis* came up, it would be part of your permanent records.

Olus, we are also talking about the MMPI, not the MMPI 2.
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Reply #62 - Dec 25th, 2009 at 10:44am
 
If you have any interest in the MMPI, read this article thru the secton on "content scales". Beyond that point it gets into technial stuff which muddies the pond until you have knowledge of test construction, etc.

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Reply #63 - Dec 25th, 2009 at 3:33pm
 
IMO some doctors are crazy, and I don't like what they might say in a record anything that can and will follow you around forever as if written in stone.

If you read back, you will see I saw a shrink, who then and now I see as crazy as a bed bug. Had I allowed that fool to record much of anything about me it would be following me around to this day.

That doc took himself for a women, and if you ask me that's nuts.. and more so on duty, on the job..

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Reply #64 - Dec 25th, 2009 at 4:34pm
 
re. #63: It does not! Your bad experience does not define the entire field of mental health workers. However, your focusing on this, very personal issue, helps to distort the whole issue of this thread: Of what value is the MMPI to our original writer?

Our society is full of people of different sexual oriedntatons which you may find offensive or strange--but that orientation does not prevent them from being effective in their profession/field/job.
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Reply #65 - Dec 25th, 2009 at 9:18pm
 
Bob, In my original post i said there this specific test was of no use to the OP. This test is of no use to assist a sane or a insane CHer.

In my personal case I see no way a doctor who pretends to be what he is not as sane.. Sorry, someone that lives in a pretend world is not fit to say what and what is not normal.

Since then I can not always tell who is and who is not normal, the best thing for me is to never submit to any such test.

With that said, anyone with CH who does take this test sane or not, is likely to get it said anyone with CH is insane and the ch is not real. That would upset me.

I don't need to be hit with a sledge hammer to know it will hurt..
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Reply #66 - Dec 26th, 2009 at 11:31am
 
CH is a very REAL disorder. 
Some docs are frustrated treating the disorder (including some--and I say SOME neuros).  I have heard things said about CHers before that were not nice, in fact, ridiculous.
With mental health field--some are great, some are not.  Jaded though I may be, still, I think it is worthwhile to be wary of someone who wants to "get inside your head" IF they themselves are crazy, totally unrealistic, very narcissistic, or entirely convinced of their own sanity.  Those who believe they are "completely sane" or much more well-adjusted than others are either 1) correct or 2) very narcissistic.  One or the other--choose wisely.
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Reply #67 - Dec 27th, 2009 at 11:29am
 
Well I ain't very pretty, so that ends being  narcissistic fer me I guess.

Since I got no feathers and can't fly, I'ld have to say I am sane.

Being a blue collar slob, I don't see any rainbow gay flusie being able to indentify with my way of life any more than I can with 'it's".

Most definatley I do not wear bright color slik scarfs like my wife does. So I just can't see how someone like that can do much for me. Chances are I could do a lot more for them.

Like fix their cars, power tools, plumbing, wiring, and even build something in wood.

I worked with gays before and had no problems that way, but being diagnoised by one for anything medical isn't going to happen, unless they are refined, so I can't tell. The one I mentioned was a full blown bloomer, 60 something going on 22.

Quite the display.

There is a fear I have as I do not do things in a socially accepted modern way, and do not want to be branded.

I am considered independant by others who are also, but I excceed their standards.. One example might be Christmass dinner where just the turkey was store bought. The rest was pretty 'normal' to New England, except I had grown and made nearly every other item, from maple syrup to punkin pie...

Maybe next time the turkey won't even be store bought. This isn't the norm these days.. It doesn't make me fruit cake nutty either.
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Reply #68 - Dec 28th, 2009 at 2:45pm
 
Mac,

You sound like a nice enough guy who just couldn't relate to the therapist--it was probably more that the guy just wasn't someone you could relate to than anything to do with his being gay.  I am sure that there are gay therapists who are very good.  It just sounds like it was a case where you felt the therapist was not very down to earth (that is the sense I am getting from what you wrote). 
The thing that I DO NOT like in a therapist, psychologist whatever, is a judgemental person!!!!  That will get me to never come back.  That and the type of person who claims to KNOW what you are really thinking, feeling, etc. regardless of what you just told them you were really thinking, feeling, etc.
Many gay people have had a very difficult time, because many people will judge them (including sometimes people in their own family), because they are gay (and I believe that is just how they were born, it really is not a choice in the VAST majority of instances.)  So, a gay person could be a good therapist, because their own life experiences could causes them to be less judgemental of others.  But again, that is not always the case either.  But it certainly could be true in some cases.
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Reply #69 - Dec 30th, 2009 at 8:01pm
 
yeah, I worked with gay men and women, some for years, but they knew i wasn't, and were not flamboyant. This guy was more than flamboyant. I am sure you know how some gay men over do being a woman, with every detail of body language.

I consider this job to be one where being judgemental is nature of the job, and so there was no way he could relate to a 100% red blooded American male, who earned a living at that time as a mechanic, farm hand of a sort and contractor in construction, unless maybe I asked him for a date. And that wasn't going to happen!

This guy was doing pirouettes around his silk scaf lamp pole, which is fine by me in a stripper joint with real girls. LOL

Hey I am a cheap biker tramp what can I say?

With that cat out of the bag, it is sometimes hard coming here where everyone has a higher education than I. But then I have been places where many of you haven't, and seen things many never will, and can do things almost no other modern man can, like start fires with 2 sticks, so it works out sort of.

I don't expect to be related too well, and have nothing much to prove. The why I come here at all, is to try to get others in o2.
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Reply #70 - Dec 30th, 2009 at 8:19pm
 
Mac_Muz wrote on Dec 30th, 2009 at 8:01pm:
yeah, I worked with gay men and women, some for years, but they knew i wasn't, and were not flamboyant. This guy was more than flamboyant. I am sure you know how some gay men over do being a woman, with every detail of body language.

I consider this job to be one where being judgemental is nature of the job, and so there was no way he could relate to a 100% red blooded American male, who earned a living at that time as a mechanic, farm hand of a sort and contractor in construction, unless maybe I asked him for a date. And that wasn't going to happen!

This guy was doing pirouettes around his silk scaf lamp pole, which is fine by me in a stripper joint with real girls. LOL

Hey I am a cheap biker tramp what can I say?

With that cat out of the bag, it is sometimes hard coming here where everyone has a higher education than I. But then I have been places where many of you haven't, and seen things many never will, and can do things almost no other modern man can, like start fires with 2 sticks, so it works out sort of.

I don't expect to be related too well, and have nothing much to prove. The why I come here at all, is to try to get others in o2.

Your homophobic rants are getting old.

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Reply #71 - Dec 30th, 2009 at 8:25pm
 
Mac.....we have some highly respected gay's that have been here for years and helped many people in many ways. So before this thread goes any further south, I am gonna lock this thread.  I think that we have hashed out the MMPI test as far as it needs to go.
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