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Jan 11^th, 2010 at 5:29pm

I've been out of cycle for a few weeks. Last night, after a weekend of running kids to basketball games, taking my mother-in-law shopping, re-shoveling snow and all the other things that weekends entail, Randy and I decided to have a late super together. We went to a lovely little, quiet place and shared a bottle of red wine. Half way into my second glass the beast paid me a visit.

I had passed the beer test already and thought it was safe. Does anyone have trouble with red wine even when out of cycle?

Thanks for the help.

PF wishes,

Jeannie

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Re: Red Wine
Reply #1 - Jan 11^th, 2010 at 6:21pm

My experience may not be like many others but when I'm out of cycle I'm able to enjoy EVERYTHING without risk. Others, I've read here, don't partake ever, as it can trigger.

Just lucky I guess. But my feeling is that if I'm going to deal with CH in cycle, when I'm out of cycle I'm going to do everything I can, particularly those things the beast forbids.

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Bob Johnson CH.com Alumnus Offline "Only the educated are free." -Epictetus Posts: 5965 Kennett Square, PA (USA) Gender:	Re: Red Wine Reply #2 - Jan 11^th, 2010 at 6:21pm Several years ago I found a single study from Europe which said: red wine and all distilled spirits were triggers for CH; white wine was not. You know about beer....
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Re: Red Wine
Reply #3 - Jan 11^th, 2010 at 8:43pm

Like Scott...when episodic and out of cycle...darn near everything OK. With TWO exceptions...red wine and MSG. Still recall with horror, anger, disbelief, and indignation the kip 9+ I "enjoyed" after a bottle of NO ALCOHOL red wine one Thanksgiving.

And an irony....this Christmas I was presented with TWO bottles of very expensive RED wine by a wealthy and grateful customer..........expect that my brother truly enjoyed them....... Cry

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Jeannie CH.com Sponsor Offline Live, Laugh, Love.... Posts: 2333 St Louis, Missouri Gender:	Re: Red Wine Reply #4 - Jan 11^th, 2010 at 8:49pm I used to be able to enjoy a glass of red wine out of cycle until last night. I guess my CH morphed this past cycle and has taken away one life's pleasures from me. It really stinks. Jeannie
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Red Wine Reply #5 - Jan 11^th, 2010 at 8:57pm Three words of advice: Single Malt Scotch Once you get into it, you'll forget all about wine, regardless of its color.
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jon019 CH.com Alumnus Offline "Ya gotta believe!" Posts: 1656 USA Gender:	Re: Red Wine Reply #6 - Jan 11^th, 2010 at 9:12pm Guess Ima heathen...it was good enough for Dino and John Huston...but, for me....Mr. Daniel knew Jack....
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Reply #7 - Jan 11^th, 2010 at 9:22pm

I have had a case of assorted red wine aging since the beast showed up in my life. After drinking red wine, I got my first ch. Tried to have a glass a few times, always the same result. Sad

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Once you get into it, you'll forget all about wine, regardless of its color.

I bought myself a bottle of Glenfiddich for Christmas......mmmm

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Re: Red Wine
Reply #8 - Jan 11^th, 2010 at 9:40pm

midwestbeth wrote on Jan 11^th, 2010 at 9:22pm:

I have had a case of assorted red wine aging since the beast showed up in my life. After drinking red wine, I got my first ch. Tried to have a glass a few times, always the same result. Sad

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Three words of advice:

Single

Malt

Scotch

Once you get into it, you'll forget all about wine, regardless of its color.

I bought myself a bottle of Glenfiddich for Christmas......mmmm

...and scotch has never messed with my head the way red wine has.

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Redd CH.com Sponsor Offline Posts: 8457 Stevens Point USA Wisconsin Gender:	Re: Red Wine Reply #9 - Jan 11^th, 2010 at 10:01pm Not sure if it's because without the alternative methods of treatment I'm chronic, or what, but all I usually drink is red wine. Don't dare give me a pilsner style beer or I'm in a world of hurt. With alternatives or without. But red wine is not an issue for me.
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BarbaraD CH.com Alumnus Offline Hugs to ya Posts: 8333 Douglasville, TX Gender:	Re: Red Wine Reply #10 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 6:22am I can't even be on the same planet as RED wine. Other things don't seem to bother me. Love white wine...
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Chad CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Posts: 738 Emmaus, PA Gender:	Re: Red Wine Reply #11 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 6:56am Brew wrote on Jan 11^th, 2010 at 8:57pm: Three words of advice: Single Malt Scotch Once you get into it, you'll forget all about wine, regardless of its color. Ditto on that Brew. I'm cool with the blended ones too...
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Re: Red Wine
Reply #12 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 7:00am

When I went into remission last cycle I was PF for a week and then had one CH out of the blue during the day 2 weeks later without a trigger. Since then (3 months later) I have had no hits. I drink red wine several times a week with dinner. I guess my point is everybody is different and i've heard many of getting random hits.
Whether they were triggered or not, who knows. All I know is that I avoid ALL triggers while in cycle. You're only playing with fire at that point.

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potlimit CH.com Newbie Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 14 las vegas Gender:	Re: Red Wine Reply #13 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 1:40pm Umm, all I drink out of cycle is single malt scotch. But it's one of the biggest triggers DURING a cycle. Even the smell can sometimes elicit a shadow as a conditioned response.
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Linda_Howell CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Do not feed the Moderators Posts: 11927 Santa Maria, Ca. Gender:	Re: Red Wine Reply #14 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 3:41pm Quote: I've been out of cycle for a few weeks. Maybe you just didn't wait long enough Jeannie. I'd try it again in a month. As with so many chronics...I don't have any triggers. One of the very few upsides to CH.
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Re: Red Wine
Reply #15 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 4:19pm

I thought of that too, Linda. I may try again in the future, here at home, sitting next to my 02. Wink

Just before my cycle started I discovered a wine from Argentina that I have fallen in love with. Hopefully I can enjoy a glass or two again sometime. I like whites too but not as much as I do reds. I do get random hits as well. Maybe that was just one of them.

It is so strange to me that episodics have triggers and chronics don't. I guess it shouldn't be though. After all, CH is a strange condition.

Jeannie

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Re: Red Wine
Reply #16 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 4:33pm

Linda_Howell wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 3:41pm:

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I've been out of cycle for a few weeks.

Maybe you just didn't wait long enough Jeannie. I'd try it again in a month. As with so many chronics...I don't have any triggers. One of the very few upsides to CH. Undecided

I have trouble with red wine as well, so I waited 3 months after my cycle to have any. I have had a glass or two 3 or 4 times with no HA...but since the first drink, I have had very minor shadows off and on that haven't gotten any worse whether I have a glass now or not. It is interesting as this has never happened before. Of course, I don't drink often so I am not a good test subject. My cardiologist told me to drink red wine and I do so when I remember. I love my coffee best.

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jon019 CH.com Alumnus Offline "Ya gotta believe!" Posts: 1656 USA Gender:	Re: Red Wine Reply #17 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 8:30pm Jeannie wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 4:19pm: It is so strange to me that episodics have triggers and chronics don't. Oh gee Jeannie....could ya tell that to my version of the beast..."it" refuses to read the rule book...I hate when that happens Best, Jon
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Jeannie CH.com Sponsor Offline Live, Laugh, Love.... Posts: 2333 St Louis, Missouri Gender:	Re: Red Wine Reply #18 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 9:06am Jon... I guess I should have said that it is strange to me that MOST episodics have triggers and MOST chronics don't. I know that CH follow no rules. Are you chronic but have triggers? Jeannie
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Bob Johnson CH.com Alumnus Offline "Only the educated are free." -Epictetus Posts: 5965 Kennett Square, PA (USA) Gender:	Re: Red Wine Reply #19 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 9:28am Jeannie, I should guess that chronics have learned, over the years, what their triggers are. They then avoid these items 100% of the time so that the topic become moot for them It's the episodics who need to be on guard since they can use, e.g., red wine, some time and then avoid when in an active period.
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Re: Red Wine
Reply #20 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 7:51pm

Jeannie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 9:06am:

Jon...

I guess I should have said that it is strange to me that MOST episodics have triggers and MOST chronics don't. I know that CH follow no rules.

Are you chronic but have triggers?

Jeannie

Episodic for 24 yrs...chronic for the last 3 1/2. High cycles...low cycles...but always cycle. SOMETIMES there are triggers...sometimes not...it's a weird version. Red wine (ANY alcohol in high cycle), msg, tomatoes (glutamic acid?), and I think chocolate....I avoid them all religiously EXCEPT for tomatoes. Mom, Grandma, Aunts, Cousins were Italian...the beast can have some things, but "it" can't take Iti food away from me!!!!!

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Re: Red Wine
Reply #22 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 9:39pm

Brew wrote on Jan 13^th, 2010 at 9:18pm:

Jon - throw a half teaspoon of baking soda in your sketti sauce to cut the acid.

Dang it Brew....if you look up '''overthink" in the dictionary you will find me! I can stand in the woods and complain...."forest, what forest?....too many trees in the way". You DO have a way of simplifying.... that I aspire to.....

Tomorrow, I will be having spaghett (with turkey meatballs doncha know!)...the box of baking soda is READY...THANKS MAN!!!!!!

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monty CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Posts: 1056 The Swamp, Florida	Re: Red Wine Reply #24 - Jan 16^th, 2010 at 10:35pm Red wine is more vasoactive, more likely to put the blood vessels through their paces. For most people, that is good, helps prevent cardiovascular disease. For people with migraines and clusters, more likely to trigger.
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