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Re: Help! regarding Oxygen
Reply #26 - Jan 30^th, 2010 at 3:49pm

LasVegas wrote on Jan 30^th, 2010 at 12:11am:

please excuse my ignorance, but is there an expiration date/shelf-life on o2?

This was the question........And the answer is YES five years. I ain't guessin no more. (My kid married the oxygen suppliers son)He won't even give me a shit mask without a script. He's so tight ya couldn't pound a needle up his ass with a sledge hammer.(Thanks Brew)

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Help! regarding Oxygen Reply #27 - Jan 30^th, 2010 at 4:42pm Probably has more to do with the valve on the tank than the O2.
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NancyB CH.com Veteran Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 169	Re: Help! regarding Oxygen Reply #29 - Jan 30^th, 2010 at 5:31pm Actually that's a good point Brew, valves get dry and crack after a while- it's the o-rings. Rubber don't last forever.
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Re: Help! regarding Oxygen
Reply #30 - Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 11:45am

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This isn't an official website but it has information about why oxygen expires and how to tell when.

Good news!!!! My insurance covers oxygen! The company that I called didn't know what they were talking about, and unfortunately where I live all the home oxygen places are owned by the the same company so when I called another place they said the same thing! But it is all worked out and I am waiting as writing this for my delivery! Thank you all for your input and advice!

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Reply #31 - Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 11:53am

pasuranyi wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 11:45am:

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This isn't an official website but it has information about why oxygen expires and how to tell when.

Well, as I suspected, there is no explanation as to the "why." Only this:

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Q. What are you talking about when you say "expiration date" for the Oxygen?

A. An expiration date was added a few years ago for all compressed gas cylinders. Compressed gas cylinders are only good for five years. So Oxygen compressed gas cylinders which were changed out in 2004 will expire in 2009.

Recently, we have found several expired compressed gas tanks, including an oxygen tank on an emergency cart that expired in 1998.

The expiration sticker looks like a white price sticker that you would see in a store. If you have oxygen tanks on your emergency cart, an "H" reserve tank or any compressed gas tanks, please check to see that they are in date.

As of today 9/23/04, Marty Palen is making rounds on all the JHH units. He is checking volume of compressed gases present in each unit, storage conditions of the compressed gas cylinders, expiration date and whether the compressed gas cylinder is full. He is currently finding a lot of empty tanks. His recommendations:

* DO NOT open the tank to see if it still has gas. It is very difficult to shut off these valves so the tanks will continue to leak until they are empty. Don't turn on a tank unless it is being used on a patient.
* As he makes round, he is checking the expiration dates on all of the compressed gas cylinders he finds and replacing those tanks which are expired. So the only thing you need to do now if you find a compressed gas cylinder that is expired is make sure no one uses it .
* Exception: If the expired tank is your only tank of oxygen, do call him immediately
* Starting 11/15/04 - if you find an expired tank or a missing expiration label, contact Marty Palen at (410) 955-6530 or mpalen@jhmi.edu

Looks to me like it is a rule designed to keep oxygen suppliers a little busier than they were prior to the rule.

Color me cynical, but I believe oxygen expiring is bullshit.

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Re: Help! regarding Oxygen
Reply #32 - Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 12:02pm

Brew wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 11:53am:

pasuranyi wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 11:45am:

Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

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This isn't an official website but it has information about why oxygen expires and how to tell when.

Well, as I suspected, there is no explanation as to the "why." Only this:

Quote:

Q. What are you talking about when you say "expiration date" for the Oxygen?

A. An expiration date was added a few years ago for all compressed gas cylinders. Compressed gas cylinders are only good for five years. So Oxygen compressed gas cylinders which were changed out in 2004 will expire in 2009.

Recently, we have found several expired compressed gas tanks, including an oxygen tank on an emergency cart that expired in 1998.

The expiration sticker looks like a white price sticker that you would see in a store. If you have oxygen tanks on your emergency cart, an "H" reserve tank or any compressed gas tanks, please check to see that they are in date.

As of today 9/23/04, Marty Palen is making rounds on all the JHH units. He is checking volume of compressed gases present in each unit, storage conditions of the compressed gas cylinders, expiration date and whether the compressed gas cylinder is full. He is currently finding a lot of empty tanks. His recommendations:

* DO NOT open the tank to see if it still has gas. It is very difficult to shut off these valves so the tanks will continue to leak until they are empty. Don't turn on a tank unless it is being used on a patient.
* As he makes round, he is checking the expiration dates on all of the compressed gas cylinders he finds and replacing those tanks which are expired. So the only thing you need to do now if you find a compressed gas cylinder that is expired is make sure no one uses it .
* Exception: If the expired tank is your only tank of oxygen, do call him immediately
* Starting 11/15/04 - if you find an expired tank or a missing expiration label, contact Marty Palen at (410) 955-6530 or mpalen@jhmi.edu

Looks to me like it is a rule designed to keep oxygen suppliers a little busier than they were prior to the rule.

Color me cynical, but I believe oxygen expiring is bullshit.

I said that.

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Help! regarding Oxygen Reply #33 - Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 12:14pm Potter wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 12:02pm: I said that. Potter You said what? What I said, or what this hopkins medicine faq stated?
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Potter CH.com Alumnus Offline Team MOOSE DROOL Stinky Stuff on a Hook Prostaff Posts: 3600 Blgs.Mt. Gender:	Re: Help! regarding Oxygen Reply #34 - Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 12:29pm Five years. Brew yer makin me crazier.Bwaaaaaaaaaaaa. Potter
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Marc Ex Member Gender:	Re: Help! regarding Oxygen Reply #35 - Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 12:49pm Lots of words without information about why O2 would "expire"
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Re: Help! regarding Oxygen
Reply #36 - Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 12:52pm

Potter wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 12:29pm:

Five years. Brew yer makin me crazier.Bwaaaaaaaaaaaa.

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"Because I said so" isn't a valid argument between adults. It works with your kids, but not here. There is, so far in this thread, not one fact or reason why oxygen expires in five years. The closest we've come is that the cylinders expire in five years. Says nothing about the contents.

Put up or shut up.

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Potter CH.com Alumnus Offline Team MOOSE DROOL Stinky Stuff on a Hook Prostaff Posts: 3600 Blgs.Mt. Gender:	Re: Help! regarding Oxygen Reply #37 - Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 1:22pm Well from the horses mouth the reason is................because the FDA makes the rules and if you want to supply oxygen you follows them. He didn't say much more than that. Maybe it goes stale like a spud chip. Potter
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Re: Help! regarding Oxygen
Reply #38 - Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 1:31pm

Potter wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 1:22pm:

Well from the horses mouth the reason is................because the FDA makes the rules and if you want to supply oxygen you follows them. He didn't say much more than that. Maybe it goes stale like a spud chip.

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"Because the FDA says so" doesn't fly either. I have seen no evidence to prove that oxygen expires. Maybe the tank does, maybe the valve does, but not the oxygen.

Oxygen stays oxygen until it chemically interacts with something else.

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Re: Help! regarding Oxygen
Reply #39 - Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 1:35pm

Brew wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 1:31pm:

Potter wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 1:22pm:

Well from the horses mouth the reason is................because the FDA makes the rules and if you want to supply oxygen you follows them. He didn't say much more than that. Maybe it goes stale like a spud chip.

Potter

"Because the FDA says so" doesn't fly either. I have seen no evidence to prove that oxygen expires. Maybe the tank does, maybe the valve does, but not the oxygen.

Oxygen stays oxygen until it chemically interacts with something else.

I'm with you on that. Kinda like fookin propane tanks.

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