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Help! regarding Oxygen
Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:15pm  
So my neurologist finally prescribed oxygen, but the bad news is that my insurance won't cover it at all for the use of cluster headaches! So does anyone know if it is possible to rent an oxygen machine because right now I am looking at paying close to $400 Cry, and I am unemployed student, so even though it will help me I can't afford to do that!
Anyone have any suggestions at all? Undecided
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Reply #1 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:21pm  
I don't think an Oxygen machine will provide you what you need. You need pure 100% oxygen at a high flow rate ~25 lpm.
I use welder's oxygen from my local welding supply store. Usually I don't bother with a regulator or mask either. I just crack the valve and breathe it in. Not saying it works for everyone, but it works for me. Been doing it that way for over 20 years.
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Reply #2 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:24pm  
Welder's oxygen. It's the very same stuff. No impurities. When you get it, just don't tell 'em what you're using it for. Tell 'em you're learning how to weld, and that you already have a tank of acetylene and a torch.

Get on ebay, buy a high-flow 540 regulator (goes up to 25 liters per minute or more), buy an O2ptimask from this site (ch.com store), and start huffing your way to real relief - fast.

I bet you can do all this for right around $150. Refills on the tank are next to nothing - around $20.
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Reply #3 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:39pm  
Brew wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:24pm:
Welder's oxygen. It's the very same stuff. No impurities. When you get it, just don't tell 'em what you're using it for. Tell 'em you're learning how to weld, and that you already have a tank of acetylene and a torch.

Get on ebay, buy a high-flow 540 regulator (goes up to 25 liters per minute or more), buy an O2ptimask from this site (ch.com store), and start huffing your way to real relief - fast.

I bet you can do all this for right around $150. Refills on the tank are next to nothing - around $20.

When asked about getting acetylene to go with the oxygen, I tell them I am transporting live fish. They bought it.
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Reply #4 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:40pm  
Don't bother with the concentrator, get tanks.  My insurance doesn't cover it either so I priced all my local suppliers and came up with Praxair.  I spend $36 per M tank which isn't too bad considering I don't have insurance coverage.  The good thing is you got that script.  That's the golden key Smiley
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Reply #5 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 2:14pm  
NovellRed wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:21pm:
I don't think an Oxygen machine will provide you what you need. You need pure 100% oxygen at a high flow rate ~25 lpm.
I use welder's oxygen from my local welding supply store. Usually I don't bother with a regulator or mask either. I just crack the valve and breathe it in. Not saying it works for everyone, but it works for me. Been doing it that way for over 20 years.
Good luck!

   So you been pissin in the wind for twenty years. That's pathetic.

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Reply #6 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 4:27pm  
Potter wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 2:14pm:
NovellRed wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:21pm:
I don't think an Oxygen machine will provide you what you need. You need pure 100% oxygen at a high flow rate ~25 lpm.
I use welder's oxygen from my local welding supply store. Usually I don't bother with a regulator or mask either. I just crack the valve and breathe it in. Not saying it works for everyone, but it works for me. Been doing it that way for over 20 years.
Good luck!

   So you been pissin in the wind for twenty years. That's pathetic.

                 Potter

Not sure what your point is. My point is I have found something that works for me. O2 is no longer a big production. I got rid of masks, humidifiers and regulators a long time ago. Grab a bottle, crack a valve and a few minutes later it is all over. Clean, simple, efficient.
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Reply #7 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 4:42pm  
NovellRed wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 4:27pm:
Potter wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 2:14pm:
NovellRed wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:21pm:
I don't think an Oxygen machine will provide you what you need. You need pure 100% oxygen at a high flow rate ~25 lpm.
I use welder's oxygen from my local welding supply store. Usually I don't bother with a regulator or mask either. I just crack the valve and breathe it in. Not saying it works for everyone, but it works for me. Been doing it that way for over 20 years.
Good luck!

   So you been pissin in the wind for twenty years. That's pathetic.

                 Potter

Not sure what your point is. My point is I have found something that works for me. O2 is no longer a big production. I got rid of masks, humidifiers and regulators a long time ago. Grab a bottle, crack a valve and a few minutes later it is all over. Clean, simple, efficient.

The point is that you don't paint a very vivid picture of how you do this without a regulator. Do you just have it blow into your face from the bottle? Do you have a hose attached?
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Reply #8 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:57pm  
Brew wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 4:42pm:
NovellRed wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 4:27pm:
Potter wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 2:14pm:
NovellRed wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:21pm:
I don't think an Oxygen machine will provide you what you need. You need pure 100% oxygen at a high flow rate ~25 lpm.
I use welder's oxygen from my local welding supply store. Usually I don't bother with a regulator or mask either. I just crack the valve and breathe it in. Not saying it works for everyone, but it works for me. Been doing it that way for over 20 years.
Good luck!

   So you been pissin in the wind for twenty years. That's pathetic.

                 Potter

Not sure what your point is. My point is I have found something that works for me. O2 is no longer a big production. I got rid of masks, humidifiers and regulators a long time ago. Grab a bottle, crack a valve and a few minutes later it is all over. Clean, simple, efficient.

The point is that you don't paint a very vivid picture of how you do this without a regulator. Do you just have it blow into your face from the bottle? Do you have a hose attached?

I just crack the valve open and put my mouth to the outlet and inhale as deeply as I can. I take my mouth off the outlet to exhale. With the small bottles I carry in my motorcycle saddlebags I don't use anything else. With the large tank I keep the high pressure hose that I use to transfer O2 attached to the tank and put my mouth to that.
It isn't hard to get the flow rate you want. With the valve just cracked off its seat, the outlet pressure is a non issue.
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Reply #9 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 9:34pm  
NovellRed wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:57pm:
Brew wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 4:42pm:
NovellRed wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 4:27pm:
Potter wrote on Jan 27th, 2010 at 2:14pm:
NovellRed wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:21pm:
I don't think an Oxygen machine will provide you what you need. You need pure 100% oxygen at a high flow rate ~25 lpm.
I use welder's oxygen from my local welding supply store. Usually I don't bother with a regulator or mask either. I just crack the valve and breathe it in. Not saying it works for everyone, but it works for me. Been doing it that way for over 20 years.
Good luck!

   So you been pissin in the wind for twenty years. That's pathetic.

                 Potter

Not sure what your point is. My point is I have found something that works for me. O2 is no longer a big production. I got rid of masks, humidifiers and regulators a long time ago. Grab a bottle, crack a valve and a few minutes later it is all over. Clean, simple, efficient.

The point is that you don't paint a very vivid picture of how you do this without a regulator. Do you just have it blow into your face from the bottle? Do you have a hose attached?

I just crack the valve open and put my mouth to the outlet and inhale as deeply as I can. I take my mouth off the outlet to exhale. With the small bottles I carry in my motorcycle saddlebags I don't use anything else. With the large tank I keep the high pressure hose that I use to transfer O2 attached to the tank and put my mouth to that.
It isn't hard to get the flow rate you want. With the valve just cracked off its seat, the outlet pressure is a non issue.

The absurdity in your method of delivery is almost sublime.

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Reply #10 - Jan 28th, 2010 at 8:50am  
It's kinda like using O2 for Clusters at 15 lpm O2:

If it works, how can I say it's wrong?
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Reply #11 - Jan 29th, 2010 at 10:04pm  
Red,

It's the risk-reward ratio that's shakey...  For starters...  There's a high probability your lips-on-valve procedure will eventually result in gas embolism...   All it takes is one slip and crack the valve open too far...  a little harder and you could do serious flap damage to your lips...  and if you're really good at taking it all in... there's always thoracic barotrauma...

You can cut the risk to darn near zero if you get a good CGA-540 regulator capable of 25 liters/minute.  They cost well under $100 if you watch eBay... and an excellent new CGA-540 regulator with 0 to 60 selectable flow rates for $137...  Both of these regulators will fit both welder's and M/H/K size medical oxygen cylinders...  If you add an O2PTIMASK™ kit from this site, you'll have one of the most cost effective systems possible...

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Reply #12 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:11am  
please excuse my ignorance, but is there an expiration date/shelf-life on o2?
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Reply #14 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 8:56am  
If I'm right medical O2 has 2 years expiration. But pure oxygen can't go bad Smiley
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What is the difference between medical o2 and pure o2?  Is it safe to assume that welders o2 is pure o2?
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What is the difference between medical o2 and pure o2?  Is it safe to assume that welders o2 is pure o2?

      I'm assuming the gummint has a hand in this. Kinda like a box of wheaties.

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What is the difference between medical o2 and pure o2?  Is it safe to assume that welders o2 is pure o2?

There is no difference in the gas. Only in the tanks into which it is put.
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Reply #18 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:41pm  
Brew wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:38pm:
LasVegas wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:23pm:
What is the difference between medical o2 and pure o2?  Is it safe to assume that welders o2 is pure o2?

There is no difference in the gas. Only in the tanks into which it is put.

So if there is no difference in the gas and only a difference in the tank, is there a shelf life/expiration on particular tanks and no expiration on other type of tanks?
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LasVegas wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:41pm:
Brew wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:38pm:
LasVegas wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:23pm:
What is the difference between medical o2 and pure o2?  Is it safe to assume that welders o2 is pure o2?

There is no difference in the gas. Only in the tanks into which it is put.

So if there is no difference in the gas and only a difference in the tank, is there a shelf life/expiration on particular tanks and no expiration on other type of tanks?

     Food grade oxygen versus welders oxygen.  I just guessin.

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Reply #20 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 1:22pm  
LasVegas wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:41pm:
Brew wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:38pm:
LasVegas wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:23pm:
What is the difference between medical o2 and pure o2?  Is it safe to assume that welders o2 is pure o2?

There is no difference in the gas. Only in the tanks into which it is put.

So if there is no difference in the gas and only a difference in the tank, is there a shelf life/expiration on particular tanks and no expiration on other type of tanks?

there are strict rules on drugs. all meds have expiration date.
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Reply #21 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 1:37pm  
100% O2 is not a "med" in the strict sense of the word. It stays O2 ad infinitum unless it goes through a chemical reaction with another element.

It doesn't expire.
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Brew wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 1:37pm:
100% O2 is not a "med" in the strict sense of the word. It stays O2 ad infinitum unless it goes through a chemical reaction with another element.

It doesn't expire.

  Yep it does expire. It's five years. My son-in-laws dad is the oxygen dude at Deaconess hospital and Home oxygen supply.  I asked him and that's the scoop.  .

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Reply #23 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 2:50pm  
What, pray tell, happens to it at 5 years and one day?

Sorry, but I'm not buyin'. If I had a tank that had been sitting for 10 years and I suddenly needed it, I'd use it. You would too.
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Reply #24 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 2:55pm  
Brew wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 2:50pm:
What, pray tell, happens to it at 5 years and one day?

Sorry, but I'm not buyin'. If I had a tank that had been sitting for 10 years and I suddenly needed it, I'd use it. You would too.

That wasn't the question. Yes I would huff her up in a heartbeat.  He is gonna dig up all the regs. from the FDA who mandate this crap.

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