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Feb 9th, 2010 at 7:59pm
 
My husband suffers with clusters.  He is going through a bad bout right now.  Having issues with the doctors @ my medical facilty.  Anyone out there in WI with a good doctor?  Also, has anyone noticed a difference between the brand name injections and the generic?  This is our first run with the generic.  Not sure they work as well.  We are newbies to message boards too!  Don't get frustrated with us! 
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Reply #1 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 8:38pm
 
I haven't noticed any difference between generic and Imitrex labeled injections.

There are some things that could be critically useful for your husband's treatment that you'll find out about here, stuff that no doctor will likely inform you of.

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Issues with doctors are extremely commonplace for CH people - doctors have generally dropped the ball big time regarding this condition.

The info and advice to be found here has saved me and many others, so please research here and keep asking the questions, while attempting to find a decent headache specialist neurologist.
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Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #2 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 8:47pm
 
Thanks for the links.  I had already seen them.  The O2 is new for my husband.  His last doc set him up @ 8L for 20mins.  From what I've been reading that is really low.  Would anyone recommend just bumping it up?  He hasn't had any relief @ the current setting.
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Reply #3 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 8:47pm
 
Smiley Smiley.....that's just for being a supporter! You people rock. My lovely bride has stuck with me through 30 years of these dang things, even found this board for me!

Does your husband have oxygen yet? I have all but eliminated imitrex useage, oxygen works just as fast with no side effects. Do read the oxygen info tab on the left, it has to be used correctly or it's worthless.

Does he have an effective preventative medication? One he takes daily to reduce the number of hits? I use lithium. Topomax and verapamil are also popular prevents.

We're nosey around here,  Winkwhen you get a chance give us a rundown of what he's using. Maybe we can help him not hurt so much. Thanks again for being a supporter!

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Edited to add....YES  Bump that regulator up...he can't hurt himself with a higher flow...8 LPM is worthless....does he have a non re breather mask???
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Reply #4 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 8:57pm
 
Well, let's see he has been on so many meds.  I loose track.  Currently he is on verapamil and lithium.  Then during this attack he was put on prednisone and also topomax.   He was just in the hospital overnight because his doc more or less bailed on him.  (Long story)  Very Frustrated!
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Reply #5 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 9:16pm
 
Oh I am so sorry. Verapamil and lithium is usually a fairly potent 1-2 punch when other stuff has failed. For me, prednisone provides a 100% block against attacks, but the problem is it has a lot of potential side effects if used for a long period of time.I've never used topomax....(often referred to as dopey-max for it's potential to make you forgetful!!!) but many on the board swear by it.

Finding the med or combo of meds that works is a frustrating endeavor, but well worth the effort. The basics behind 02 working, your lungs must get 100% 02, no outside air, no exhaled air. This is best accomplished using a non re breather mask, and a high flow regulator, at least 15 LPM. And you must start it at the first sign of an attack. A delay of 3-5 minutes can double my abort time. Does the regulator go up to 15 LPM?

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Reply #6 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 9:18pm
 
Bump it up absolutely!

His regulator probably peaks out at 15 LPM?

If 15 LPM at the onset of an attack along with a non rebreather mask still isn't working, he'll probably have to bump it up to the next level - many of us need to get a regulator that will  go at least to 25 LPM.
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Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #7 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 9:33pm
 
LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box.  Call 1-800-643-5552; they will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.





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Reply #8 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 9:41pm
 
Thanks for the links reguarding doctors.  I will be sure to check them out.  On the O2 thing, my husbands regulator goes to 15LPM.  Is it okay to just go up without a docs ok?
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Reply #9 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 9:55pm
 
Absolutely, no side effects to worry about.

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Reply #10 - Feb 11th, 2010 at 9:15pm
 
Good news!  Bumping the O2 up really helped.  My husband had a better go @ 15LPM.  It knocked it down from a 5 to a 0.  It came back 20mins @ a 5, 10mins of O2 down to 0 for 3 hours.  Used the O2 10mins,  been gone for 5hrs and counting!  Thanks so much for the help.  Hopefully it will continue to work.  It if doesn't continue is there a good rate to bump it @?
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Reply #11 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 12:02am
 
Please read the "oxygen info" (O2) link that Bejeeber gave you in an earlier post, It points out that many of us need at least a 25lpm regulator. Some even higher.

Many O2 suppliers don't have the larger reg's so people like me have purchased our own. I got my 25lpm from Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register, about $35. On my big tank I have a 60lpm from Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register, about $137+.

I strongly recommend the O2PTI mask available on this site. It is made just for CH and works wonders. It has a larger bag and is well worth the $28.

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Reply #12 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 10:56am
 
There's also several people on this board that live in Wisconsin that can probably provide recommendations to their physicians and neurologists.
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Do you guys regulate the oxygen levels by doctors orders or as you find appropriate for yourselves?  I talked with the local clinic here and they were not happy about my husband using 15LPM.  They said that was all the higher he should go.  So if we find it necessary are we on our own to find the equipment and O2?
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hez wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 5:34pm:
Do you guys regulate the oxygen levels by doctors orders or as you find appropriate for yourselves?  I talked with the local clinic here and they were not happy about my husband using 15LPM.  They said that was all the higher he should go. So if we find it necessary are we on our own to find the equipment and O2?

What reason, if any did this clinic give for their lack of happiness concerning O2 use at 15lpm?


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Reply #15 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 7:20pm
 
And yes.........you go online to Craigslist etc., and buy a higher flow regulator. We are trying so hard to educate the medical community, but we still run into this resistance. They'll give you highly addictive opiate pain killers like they're passing out candy, then say they're afraid of high flow oxygen.  Sigh....rant done.. Undecided

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Reply #16 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 7:56pm
 
Alrighty then!  We'll see what happens with 15LPM.  I'll be checking around for different equipment.  I don't really know why the doc was that way about the LPM.  You would think if it is working for him, great!  Thanks for the feed back!
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Reply #17 - Feb 13th, 2010 at 7:59am
 
The only "different equipment" you'd need would be the regulator.  I have two.  One for e-tanks that goes up to 25lpm and one on my m-tank that goes up to 15lpm.  There are some attacks that I just can't kill at 15lpm.  Small attacks and shadows are regularly shot down with 15lpm.

So my perscription reads 12lpm.  This is all my Neuro would prescribe because it's what the guidelines call for, for now...  But when I told my Neuro that I'd all but stopped taking Imitrex injections because 25lpm O2 was killing 99% of my attacks, he was very supportive.  He didn't change my prescription, but he was very supportive.

My Oxygen supplier has provided 2, 15lpm regulators.  They don't know about the 25lpm regulator and I'm not going to tell them about it either.

Sometimes in life you just have to do what you have to do and let the system catch up with you when it does.

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Reply #18 - Feb 13th, 2010 at 9:14am
 
We are looking for a different neuro so hopefully that person may be more understanding to my husbands needs.  What does the O2 actually do and does it really get rid of the headache or does it mask it for a few hours?
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Reply #19 - Feb 13th, 2010 at 10:42am
 
No one knows for sure! The most common theory is the vaso constricting effect on your blood vessels halts the pain mechanism. I lean towards that because people using nasal canulas, or re breather masks, don't get relief. But people using the non re breather or demand masks, at high flow, get relief. It seems the 100% oxygen is what makes the difference. (I qualify that with the disclaimer I have absolutley no medical training!)

As far as the return headaches, that is a problem for some, myself included. 10 minutes after turning off the 02, I'd get a re attack. For many years I was combining oral cafergot with the oxygen. I'd pop 1-2 cafergots as i strated the 02. 02 would beat it down in less then 10 minutes, the cafergot would buy me up to 12 hours pain free time.

At the suggestion of several people on the board, I'm now downing an energy drink as I start my 02. I'm almost 2 monthe into this cycle and so far it's working as well as the cafergot did.

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My husband wants to try the redbull.  Are we talking the full 8oz. can or the 2oz shooters?  What are cafergots?
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Racer1_NC wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 5:44pm:
hez wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 5:34pm:
Do you guys regulate the oxygen levels by doctors orders or as you find appropriate for yourselves?  I talked with the local clinic here and they were not happy about my husband using 15LPM.  They said that was all the higher he should go. So if we find it necessary are we on our own to find the equipment and O2?

What reason, if any did this clinic give for their lack of happiness concerning O2 use at 15lpm?





According to my wife the nurse, the reasoning is usually that they want to make sure that there is no evidence of lung disease i.e. COPD as the high flow rates can exacerbate those types of lung issues and actually cause further lung damage.

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Reply #22 - Feb 13th, 2010 at 1:39pm
 
Cafergot is an old school CH medicine. Ergotamine (sp?) and caffeine I believe are the primary ingredients. I was given it in the pill form in the 80's, did not work well for me as my attacks ramp up too fast for an oral med to do me any good.

I use the 8.4 ounce, sugar free Red Bull. I find the sugar free tastes better to me.

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Dallas Denny 62 wrote on Feb 13th, 2010 at 1:27pm:
Racer1_NC wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 5:44pm:
hez wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 5:34pm:
Do you guys regulate the oxygen levels by doctors orders or as you find appropriate for yourselves?  I talked with the local clinic here and they were not happy about my husband using 15LPM.  They said that was all the higher he should go. So if we find it necessary are we on our own to find the equipment and O2?

What reason, if any did this clinic give for their lack of happiness concerning O2 use at 15lpm?





According to my wife the nurse, the reasoning is usually that they want to make sure that there is no evidence of lung disease i.e. COPD as the high flow rates can exacerbate those types of lung issues and actually cause further lung damage.

DD

That I understand and know to be true.....I just like hearing the reasons the medical profession offers up against the use of high flow O2. Most are invalid, the one you offered isn't.

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