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Amer. Presidents
Feb 15^th, 2010 at 1:05pm

Their ranking in terms of popularity. I find it odd that Lyndon Johnson who so drastically escalated the war in Viet Nam is ranked right up there at Undecided

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2009 C-Span President Survery

1. Abraham Lincoln
2. George Washington
3. Franklin D. Roosevelt
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. Harry S. Truman
6. John F. Kennedy
7. Thomas Jefferson
8. Dwight D. Eisenhower
9. Woodrow Wilson
10. Ronald Reagan
11. Lyndon B. Johnson
12. James K. Polk
13. Andrew Jackson
14. James Monroe
15. Bill Clinton
16. William McKinley
17. John Adams
18. George H. W. Bush
19. John Quincy Adams
20. James Madison
21. Grover Cleveland
22. Gerald R. Ford
23. Ulysses S. Grant
24. William Howard Taft
25. Jimmy Carter
26. Calvin Coolidge
27. Richard M. Nixon
28. James A. Garfield
29. Zachary Taylor
30. Benjamin Harrison
31. Martin Van Buren
32. Chester A. Arthur
33. Rutherford B. Hayes
34. Herbert Hoover
35. John Tyler
36. George W. Bush
37. Millard Fillmore
38. Warren G. Harding
39. William Henry Harrison
40. Franklin D. Pierce
41. Andrew Johnson
42. James Buchanan

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Reply #1 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 1:28pm

Gee, I wonder where our current president might fall on that list?

Right now, the most current Rasmussen survey shows BO here:

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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 24% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -17.

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Melissa CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't give up! Posts: 7238 Central WI, USA Gender:	Re: Amer. Presidents Reply #3 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 1:38pm I can't even rank 98% of those because I didn't live under their administrations, lol.
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Amer. Presidents Reply #4 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 1:47pm Eisenhower, Truman, Wilson and FDR ahead of Ronald Reagan. Who did they survey for this? Public school survivors, no doubt.
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Reply #6 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 2:33pm

Happy Pappy wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 2:05pm:

I wonder what is wrong with James Buchanan Huh

I live about 5 miles from were he was born Embarrassed

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Buchanan had once dared to hope that his presidency might rank in history with that of George Washington.[1] However, his handling of the crisis preceding the Civil War has led to his consistent ranking by historians as one of the worst Presidents.

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Linda_Howell CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Do not feed the Moderators Posts: 11927 Santa Maria, Ca. Gender:	Re: Amer. Presidents Reply #7 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 2:40pm I believe this poll was taken, by those historians who make a career out of studying History. "As much as is possible, we created a poll that was non-partisan, judicious and fair-minded," said Rice University professor Douglas Brinkley, who helped organize the survey of 65 historians
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Reply #9 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 2:44pm

Linda_Howell wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 2:40pm:

I believe this poll was taken, but those historians who make a career out of studying History.

"As much as is possible, we created a poll that was non-partisan, judicious and fair-minded," said Rice University professor Douglas Brinkley, who helped organize the survey of 65 historians

That explains it - 65 liberal arts educated college professors.

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Reply #10 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 4:26pm

Brew wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 2:44pm:

Linda_Howell wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 2:40pm:

I believe this poll was taken, but those historians who make a career out of studying History.

"As much as is possible, we created a poll that was non-partisan, judicious and fair-minded," said Rice University professor Douglas Brinkley, who helped organize the survey of 65 historians

That explains it - 65 liberal arts educated college professors.

And your point is Wink

? I have a liberal arts degree, Jimbo has a liberal arts degree and Sarah has a liberal arts degree. Who else would you want to make the determnination? Economists?

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Reply #12 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 5:21pm

deltadarlin wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 4:26pm:

Brew wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 2:44pm:

Linda_Howell wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 2:40pm:

I believe this poll was taken, but those historians who make a career out of studying History.

"As much as is possible, we created a poll that was non-partisan, judicious and fair-minded," said Rice University professor Douglas Brinkley, who helped organize the survey of 65 historians

That explains it - 65 liberal arts educated college professors.

And your point is Wink

? I have a liberal arts degree, Jimbo has a liberal arts degree and Sarah has a liberal arts degree. Who else would you want to make the determnination? Economists?

I have a liberal arts degree, too. None of us are college professors, however. At least not that I know of.

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Reply #14 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 6:28pm

FramCire wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 4:43pm:

Melissa wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 1:38pm:

I can't even rank 98% of those because I didn't live under their administrations, lol.

Um, Mel, does that mean you are 10 years old or under?

Ohforpetesake, did I get my percentage wrong??

I can only vouch for Carter, Regan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 and Obama (so far). What percentage would that be?

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Reply #15 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 6:39pm

FramCire wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 4:43pm:

Melissa wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 1:38pm:

I can't even rank 98% of those because I didn't live under their administrations, lol.

Um, Mel, does that mean you are 10 years old or under?

She's somewhat right, she didn't live under the administration of the majority of those ranked. You know how it is with younguns' Wink

. By my reckoning, of those on the list, she would have lived under the administrations of Gerald R Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush (she would have been born during Ford's administration, 6 when Carter's admnistration ended and 14 when Reagan's administration ended).

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deltadarlin CH.com Alumnus Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 3823 Downsville LA Gender:	Re: Amer. Presidents Reply #17 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 7:02pm Splittin' hairs here, Mel would have lived under 14% of those listed. Who else beside historians would be qualified to make those choices, Brew?
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Reply #18 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 8:27pm

deltadarlin wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 7:02pm:

Splittin' hairs here, Mel would have lived under 14% of those listed.

Who else beside historians would be qualified to make those choices, Brew?

I'm thinking that Brew's point was that the results would necessarily be skewed by the simple fact that the group being surveyed was an incredibly narrow sample, especially when you consider the statistical fact that educators tend to lean to the left. That's isn't to say there is a better way to judge the mood of the people in the past, but perhaps there is no accurate way. I would think even the papers (as a historical reference) would be a questionable source, as they were much more open back then about their political leanings.

Even so, I guess it's an interesting academic exercise, but sort of pointless.

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Who else beside historians would be qualified to make those choices, Brew?

I agree. I also would hope that those historians would have spent a lot of time searching and researching national archives, library of congress, etc. to qualify for their opinions. I would suppose that a historian would make it a part of all their curriculum to do this as a part of their education and not for personal gain or some other agenda. (O.K. I can hope here)

Mel, you crack me up sometimes. Grin

What difference does it make if you weren't alive under most of the Presidents? Surely you studied history and civics in school? I wasn't alive when Hitler marched into Poland or when Louis and Clark set out to find a route to the Pacific, or when gold was found in California in 1849, but I love studying & learning about it all.

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Reply #20 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 11:18pm

deltadarlin wrote on Feb 15^th, 2010 at 7:02pm:

Who else beside historians would be qualified to make those choices, Brew?

How about the people who have spent their entire lives financing one big mistake after another? Those who have pumped their hard-earned dollars into a federal government that has ballooned to more than 100 times its original size in just one person's lifetime? How about you and me?

I'm sick of eggheads telling Joe Lunchbox what to think.

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Reply #23 - Feb 16^th, 2010 at 9:42am

Well me, I've LIVED under about a fouth of those guys and (ok not Washington and Lincoln - I'm not THAT old!!) and have seen FIRST HAND the dumbing down of America.

Public schools - up until about the middle of the 60s DID teach History and Civics and WE did have teachers who MADE us think for ourselves. Then the world changed and WE let it.

Before that we knew how to READ and THINK.... then we got lazy and let the government start doing our thinking for us... WE got lazy.

That's history for ya.... Go back to the 70s and STUDY the history and see where things happened. Might be an eye opener...

And what does Liberal arts have to do with it? Kiss

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