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Ground control to major Tom
Mar 3^rd, 2010 at 7:39pm

well, not quite, more like *junior to captain*. I can see both sides of this, given that I grew up around airports (daddy started with Southern Airways in 1958, I think), and there's no place that I didn't get to go, inluding the towers. However, I wasnt' allowed to pick up a radio and talk to a pilot either.

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Charlie CH.com Alumnus Offline Happy to be here Posts: 18971 Jamestown, NY Gender:	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #1 - Mar 3^rd, 2010 at 8:08pm I read about this thing this morning. Awful. Reminded me of my cousin who would not stop having my little neice answer the phone and carry on a 4 minute conversation of which I could understand 5 words. Cute but enough is enough. Charlie
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #2 - Mar 3^rd, 2010 at 9:04pm The pilots seemed to enjoy it (from what I heard on the radio today).
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Reply #3 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 7:11am

Wouldn't you have LOVED to have been on the plane the kid was 'talking' to?

Ya'll know I love kids and think they can do "nothing" wrong, but this was a little over the line. Daddy needs his butt spanked for taking him to work in the first place. The control tower in a major airport is NOT the place for a kid.

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seaworthy CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Posts: 706	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #4 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 7:20am Quote: The control tower in a major airport is NOT the place for a kid. My 2 cents. Ditto We are up to 4 cents
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deltadarlin CH.com Alumnus Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 3823 Downsville LA Gender:	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #5 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 8:04am And it happened not once, but twice. What I find amazing is the amount of people defending the pilot, no harm, no foul.
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seaworthy CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Posts: 706	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #6 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 10:26am Could have been a major foul if there was some sort of emergency and there were two kids in the way.
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Reply #7 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 10:28am

This kid obviously had his dad standing right behind him calling all the shots. He's probably better than your average air traffic controller, and he let his kid act on his behalf - equivalent to letting your kid sit on your lap while driving for a short time with his hands on the wheel. You're still in control of the vehicle.

What is there to get so uptight about here? The dad was obviously still in total control of the situation, and I'm finding it difficult to see where he was being irresponsible.

Hell, America elected a man-child who's more unqualified to do HIS job and is now trying to ramrod an overhaul of one-seventh of the American economy on a straight party line vote - an overhaul the vast majority of Americans strongly disagree with. Who's more irresponsible?

Lighten up, people.

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seaworthy CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Posts: 706	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #8 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 10:56am FAA said it best. Quote: This lapse in judgment not only violated FAA's own policies, but common sense standards for professional conduct. These kinds of distractions are totally unacceptable,"
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #9 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 11:29am So get bent out of shape about it. You're entitled. What a country.
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Kevin_M CH.com Sponsor Offline withered branches grow green again. Posts: 8754 Michigan, USA Gender:	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #10 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 12:26pm Brew wrote on Mar 4^th, 2010 at 10:28am: This kid obviously had his dad standing right behind him calling all the shots. Overriding though, the FAA calls the shots there.
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #11 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 12:33pm Kevin_M wrote on Mar 4^th, 2010 at 12:26pm: Overriding though, the FAA calls the shots there. His father, as an employee of the FAA, being the FAA calling the shots there.
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NancyB CH.com Veteran Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 169	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #12 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 12:39pm Yeah, but would you have wanted a kid in the tower the day that plane ended up in the Hudson?
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Kevin_M CH.com Sponsor Offline withered branches grow green again. Posts: 8754 Michigan, USA Gender:	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #13 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 3:30pm Brew wrote on Mar 4^th, 2010 at 12:33pm: His father, as an employee of the FAA, being the FAA calling the shots there. Being they are probably the ones combing fields and oceans to reconstruct a jet piece by piece to find the cause, I'd imagine they'd like certain precautions as preventive measures in place.
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #14 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 4:33pm Just wow.
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Re: Ground control to major Tom
Reply #15 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 4:49pm

With so many possible scenarios, where would the line be drawn.

"My buddy's been feeling really down since being laid off so I thought I'd bring him to the tower and announce some takeoffs"

"I got a new girlfriend I'd like to impress and let 'er say "Ready for takeoff" from the tower."

"My kid's got the day off from school and..."

Which are ok, which not. Or perhaps it should just be a controller communicating.

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #16 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 5:13pm Nevermind, Kev.
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Kevin_M CH.com Sponsor Offline withered branches grow green again. Posts: 8754 Michigan, USA Gender:	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #17 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 5:20pm Ok. I was just wondering if the option three presented was no big deal, what opinions might be on all other possibilities.
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #18 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 5:28pm Kevin_M wrote on Mar 4^th, 2010 at 5:20pm: Ok. I was just wondering if the option three presented was no big deal, what opinions might be on all other possibilities. You'll have to solicit those opinions from others. I just can't relate to all the "rules are rules" stuff. Nobody has fun anymore.
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Kevin_M CH.com Sponsor Offline withered branches grow green again. Posts: 8754 Michigan, USA Gender:	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #19 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 5:35pm Safety is one thing where rules can be helpful, though not maybe fun.
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Re: Ground control to major Tom
Reply #20 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 6:03pm

Brew wrote on Mar 4^th, 2010 at 12:33pm:

Kevin_M wrote on Mar 4^th, 2010 at 12:26pm:

Overriding though, the FAA calls the shots there.

His father, as an employee of the FAA, being the FAA calling the shots there.

I'm an emplyee of a large real estate management company but I certainly don't call the shots for the company. I, like the the controller, am expected to follow the companies policies and procedures. If I don't then I will pay a consequece for that. Just as the controller should. He was suspended and justly so.

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Re: Ground control to major Tom
Reply #21 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 7:03pm

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I will pay a consequece for that. Just as the controller should. He was suspended and justly so.
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As should any pilot of any airplane landing or taking off based on the instructions from a child's voice. The pilot should have radioed back, "not moving this plane until the controller tells me to".

Just my 2 cents

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Charlie CH.com Alumnus Offline Happy to be here Posts: 18971 Jamestown, NY Gender:	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #22 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 8:46pm Only in America do we defend something not too fucking bright? The people around Buffalo, where the crash that killed so many friends and family a year or so ago, don't find this amusing. Charlie
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Ground control to major Tom Reply #23 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 8:59pm This was ground control, not air traffic control. But rules are rules. And everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Re: Ground control to major Tom
Reply #24 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 11:27pm

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This was ground control, not air traffic control.

But rules are rules. And everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Hopeless.

This guy simply acted stupid. I have no doubt his heart is in the right place but jeesh. He needs the rest he is getting. I don't think he should be fired but as Group Captain Lionel Mandrake would say: "He deserves such a pranging."

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