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Reply #25 - May 25th, 2010 at 10:53pm
 
Public Supports Arizona Immigration Law

May 12, 2010

The public broadly supports a new Arizona law aimed at dealing with illegal immigration and the law's provisions giving police increased powers to stop and detain people who are suspected of being in the country illegally.

Fully 73% say they approve of requiring people to produce documents verifying their legal status if police ask for them. Two-thirds (67%) approve of allowing police to detain anyone who cannot verify their legal status, while 62% approve of allowing police to question people they think may be in the country illegally.

Most Disapprove of Obama on Immigration

As has been the case since last fall, the public is highly critical of Barack Obama's handling of immigration policy. Just 25% approve of the way Obama is handling the issue, while more than twice as many (54%) disapprove.

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Reply #26 - May 25th, 2010 at 11:43pm
 
Glad to read this article ....

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Reply #27 - May 26th, 2010 at 12:53am
 
This bill never became law.

H.R. 4437 [109th]: Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to strengthen enforcement of the immigration laws, to enhance border security, and for other purposes.

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Sponsor: Rep. James Sensenbrenner [R-WI5]
Cost: $7 per American over the 2006-2010 period.
Status: 
Introduced--Dec 6, 2005
Referred to Committee    
Reported by Committee--Dec 8, 2005
Amendments (32 proposed)
Passed House--Dec 16, 2005
Senate Vote--(did not occur)
Signed by President--(did not occur)

This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session.

Votes: Dec 16, 2005: This bill passed in the House of Representatives by roll call vote. The totals were 239 Ayes, 182 Nays, 13 Present/Not Voting.
Last Action: Jan 27, 2006: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

H.R. 4437 [109th]: Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005

Jan 27, 2006 - Referred in Senate. This is the text of the bill after moving from the House to the Senate before being considered by Senate committees. This is the latest version of the bill currently available on GovTrack.

HR 4437 RFS

109th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. R. 4437

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
December 17, 2005

Received
January 27, 2006
Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

Text of H.R. 4437 [109th]: Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005


     TITLE I--SECURING UNITED STATES BORDERS

SEC. 118. SENSE OF CONGRESS REGARDING ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION LAWS.

(a) Findings- Congress finds the following:

    (1) A primary duty of the Federal Government is to secure the homeland and ensure the safety of United States citizens and lawful residents.

    (2) As a result of the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, perpetrated by al Qaida terrorists on United States soil, the United States is engaged in a Global War on Terrorism.

    (3) According to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, up to 15 of the 9/11 hijackers could have been intercepted or deported through more diligent enforcement of immigration laws.

    (4) Four years after those attacks, there is still a failure to secure the borders of the United States against illegal entry.

    (5) The failure to enforce immigration laws in the interior of the United States means that illegal aliens face little or no risk of apprehension or removal once they are in the country.

    (6) If illegal aliens can enter and remain in the United States with impunity, so, too, can terrorists enter and remain while they plan, rehearse, and then carry out their attacks.

    (7) The failure to control and to prevent illegal immigration into the United States increases the likelihood that terrorists will succeed in launching catastrophic or harmful attacks on United States soil.

    (8) There are numerous immigration laws that are currently not being enforced.

    (9) Law enforcement officers are often discouraged from enforcing the law by superiors.

(b) Sense of Congress- It is the sense of Congress that the President, the Attorney General, Secretary of State, Secretary of Homeland Security, and other Department Secretaries should immediately use every tool available to them to enforce the immigration laws of the United States, as enacted by Congress.

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Reply #28 - May 26th, 2010 at 5:28am
 
Don't worry about it KOP - the Senate has over 300 bills PENDING that they're just too busy to get around to reading or working on --

the house keeps sending stuff to them and they just keep staying busy and ignoring them...
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Reply #29 - May 26th, 2010 at 11:03pm
 
Sooner than later, some deranged zealot is going to gross the Mexican border and set off a atomic bomb and kill a lot of innocent US citizens.

I wonder what the politicians will say then?

All for the possibility of cultivating potential sympathetic votes...for politics...for maintaining power.

Shows what an elected officials will do to maintain a power base.

Think about the type of person that would disregard the obvious in order to seem sympathetic to a group of voters to maintain an elected office.

I can't think of a word to describe it.


Please, whatever your Party, don't vote for an incumbent. Don't think you vote wasted if the senior member wins. A message needs to be sent to the cronies in Washington. And even a tight race sends a pointed notice.

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Reply #30 - May 26th, 2010 at 11:13pm
 
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  Totally agree.  We should get a bumper sticker program going on.  Paste it on every car bumper, telephone pole, barber shop window, AND write letters to every editorial page of every paper of every town we all live in. 

Vote the incumbants out!!!!!!!!!


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Reply #31 - May 26th, 2010 at 11:39pm
 
Unfortunately, we live in an age of terrorism. We can not afford to have an open border. Solutions I am short on, but it is easy to see the problem.


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Reply #32 - May 27th, 2010 at 12:22am
 
Well, the good news is that SB 1070 put pressure on Obama to agree to send some National Guard troops to our Southern Border.  Enough # of troops?  No where near enough, however it's a start, some are better than none and every bit helps.
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Reply #33 - May 27th, 2010 at 7:16am
 
LasVegas wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 12:22am:
Well, the good news is that SB 1070 put pressure on Obama to agree to send some National Guard troops to our Southern Border.  Enough # of troops?  No where near enough, however it's a start, some are better than none and every bit helps.

And his administration will declare this to be a great victory of toughness and reform, while in practice having virtually no effect whatsoever. Hope and change, baby.
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Reply #34 - May 27th, 2010 at 8:09am
 
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U.S. Customs and Border Protection is stepping up its recruiting efforts to hire 6,000 additional Border Patrol agents by the end of 2008. This national hiring event is in direct response to President Bush's May 2006 announcement to enhance border security by increasing the size of the Border Patrol. CBP continues to expand its recruiting and hiring efforts with an energized advertising campaign designed to identify candidates wanting to work in law enforcement protecting our nation's borders.

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The immigration reform and Control Act of 1986 expanded the agency’s responsibilities and made it a law-enforcement agency. The act enabled the agency to enforce sanctions against American employers who hired undocumented aliens.

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With 6000 added, the enforcement of this law hasn't been so publicity-minded it seems.
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Reply #35 - May 27th, 2010 at 8:20am
 
Linda_Howell wrote on May 26th, 2010 at 11:13pm:
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  Totally agree.  We should get a bumper sticker program going on.  Paste it on every car bumper, telephone pole, barber shop window, AND write letters to every editorial page of every paper of every town we all live in. 

Vote the incumbants out!!!!!!!!!


My only political post of the year. 

Honestly, I didn't even know what the term "incumbant" meant until about 5 years ago.  Do you think most voters do? Undecided
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Reply #36 - May 27th, 2010 at 8:39am
 
Not slagging on you Mel, but if people do not understand what *incumbant* means, they really don't need to be voting. 

Maybe our household is a bit more political than most, but Sarah has had a good basic knowledge of the voting procedures since she started voting at 18.
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Reply #37 - May 27th, 2010 at 9:51am
 
deltadarlin wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 8:39am:
...but if people do not understand what *incumbant* means, they really don't need to be voting.

Reality is, many of them do anyhow. They pull the lever for whoever Katie Couric tells them to.
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Reply #38 - May 27th, 2010 at 1:44pm
 
Brew wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 9:51am:
deltadarlin wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 8:39am:
...but if people do not understand what *incumbant* means, they really don't need to be voting.

Reality is, many of them do anyhow. They pull the lever for whoever Katie Couric tells them to.

Exactly Bill.


And Carolyn, just because I didn't know the meaning of the word, didn't mean I was an uninformed voter who shouldn't have the right to vote...
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Reply #39 - May 27th, 2010 at 4:10pm
 
Jimi wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 10:29am:
Well I know that you can get #1.


Illegals only get jobs when an American feels that his/her 'need' for cheap labor outweighs the legal obstacles to hiring an illegal. Those legal obstacles have not scared many people.

Jobs are the magnet that will keep pulling people here without the necessary permits. If you build a fence on the border, they will enter on planes saying they are going to visit Disney or New Orleans, and then they will find a job and forget to return. They have little to lose, while the factory owners and farmers with US citizenship have a lot to lose. The only way to solve the problem is to bitch-slap any citizen or legal immigrant who employs illegal aliens. Seize their assets and give them hard jail time. The jobs would dry up, and people would return to their home countries.

stevegeebe wrote on May 26th, 2010 at 11:03pm:
Sooner than later, some deranged zealot is going to gross the Mexican border and set off a atomic bomb and kill a lot of innocent US citizens.


Maybe, but maybe they will smuggle it in through a cargo container - why not insist that every one of millions of containers that enters the US every years gets thoroughly inspected before we let it into our port cities? Sure, it would cost many billions of dollars and that would be tacked on to the price we pay for just about everything ... but if we conjure up the vision of a nuclear fireball over a US city, shouldn't we be devoting 100% of all activity to prevent that??
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Reply #40 - May 27th, 2010 at 4:55pm
 
monty wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 4:10pm:
Illegals only get jobs when an American feels that his/her 'need' for cheap labor outweighs the legal obstacles to hiring an illegal. Those legal obstacles have not scared many people.



thanks for not say they're taking jobs that americans don't want. any job will do
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The so called tea party owes big time to the major liberal news media. By their incessant reporting of a group that wasn't all that exciting, they pumped it up enough to make people wonder enough to check it out. It's still smaller than reported but it will never appear so and that's the genius of it.

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Reply #42 - May 27th, 2010 at 10:45pm
 
Charlie wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 9:07pm:
The so called tea party owes big time to the major liberal news media. By their incessant reporting of a group that wasn't all that exciting, they pumped it up enough to make people wonder enough to check it out. It's still smaller than reported but it will never appear so and that's the genius of it.

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Reply #43 - May 28th, 2010 at 4:46am
 
monty wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 4:10pm:
Jimi wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 10:29am:
Well I know that you can get #1.


Illegals only get jobs when an American feels that his/her 'need' for cheap labor outweighs the legal obstacles to hiring an illegal. Those legal obstacles have not scared many people.



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The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 ... made it illegal to knowingly hire undocumented workers, establishing penalties that include fines of as much as $10,000 per worker and six months in prison for violators.

Nationwide, work-site enforcement has declined significantly since the early 1990s, according to Department of Homeland Security statistics. Fines imposed on employers for breaking the law dwindled from 1,063 orders in 1992 to only 13 in 2002. Work-site arrests, warnings issued to employers and cases completed also dropped off sharply during this time.

More recently, from 1999 to 2003, criminal employer cases presented for prosecution decreased to 4 from 182. Only two employers in the city of San Diego have been referred to the U.S. Attorney for prosecution since 2000.

Perhaps most tellingly, investigators are spending less time going after employers: Since 1999, investigative work hours dedicated to work-site enforcement have decreased by more than half. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents spent a total of 471,210 work hours investigating employers in 1999. They spent only 177,975 work hours doing so last year [2003].

"There is no fear of government."

"But I have a feeling that until we come up with an effective internal strategy, you can't put it all at the border."

Until that happens, immigrants who have an economic incentive to cross the border illegally will continue to do so, finding ways around the barriers put up to keep them out.



Politically, enforcement is skewed heavily toward the border, not business.


"Congress was committed to passing a toothless employer sanctions law," said Wayne Cornelius, director of the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies at the University of California San Diego. "It was the only way they could get it through. . . . There was a lot of pressure from business lobbies, from agribusiness, restaurants, hotels."

Over the years, politicians have intervened on behalf of a number of employers caught hiring undocumented immigrants. Some employers who have come under fire are generous political contributors ...

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I wondered why news of business sanctions was so quiet.
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Reply #44 - May 28th, 2010 at 5:53am
 
LasVegas wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 12:22am:
Well, the good news is that SB 1070 put pressure on Obama to agree to send some National Guard troops to our Southern Border.  Enough # of troops?  No where near enough, however it's a start, some are better than none and every bit helps.


And our Congress has voted to not allow this!  LOL. I wonder if congress thinks the illegals are their only hope for enough votes come election time to keep their cushy jobs. 

All of congress should be shown the door come election time.  The ONLY way to end the continuation of the mess which is our government is to replace ALL of them.  The problem is any new house or senate members are quickly "educated" in the "old ways" and the corruption is perpetuated.

Throw them ALL out.

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Reply #45 - May 28th, 2010 at 8:51am
 
monty wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 4:10pm:
Jimi wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 10:29am:
Well I know that you can get #1.


If you build a fence on the border, they will enter on planes saying they are going to visit Disney or New Orleans, and then they will find a job and forget to return.


Those who are crossing the border illegally can't afford to go to anywhere USA (longd damned walk to get to Disney World) and stay at Motel 6, much less buy a plane ticket and go to Disney World or new Orleans.

If they had that kind of money, they wouldn't need to come here.
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Reply #46 - May 28th, 2010 at 1:58pm
 
Brew wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 10:45pm:
Charlie wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 9:07pm:
The so called tea party owes big time to the major liberal news media. By their incessant reporting of a group that wasn't all that exciting, they pumped it up enough to make people wonder enough to check it out. It's still smaller than reported but it will never appear so and that's the genius of it.

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Malik Zulu Shabazz, Esq., Black Panther Party Chairman

Golly.

Just to give another perspective, I can understand why the Panthers are skittish. Frankly, I am also - not that I am aligning myself with any extremist organization, that's not my intent at all.

In order to keep informed, I'll periodically log on & read opinions/blogs from David Duke, Aryan Nation, Klan-based organizations etc because I want to know what affects them and what they are watching. The sentiments expressed on those websites are parallel to what is reported and what I've read on the Tea Party. There is a contingent here in Nevada who post very strongly on a local blog so it's relatively easy to get an idea of what they are trying to represent.

There is a portion of the population who will always be skittish when there are large groups bolstering gun-toting, "states" rights, anarchy, recession from the states, militias, etc. It was the rhetoric of Timothy McVeigh. It was & still is the rhetoric of David Duke. It is the foundation of the Klan who is still very much a part of our society, like it or not. It is encouraged by the "brotherhood of Aryans".

This is what has been conveyed by the media, reflected in the rallys, and what I've read in Tea Party literature.

Yeah, golly, indeed.

There was only one Tea Party activist I spoke with who didn't frighten me because his focus was mainly on grassroots efforts to really balance this dichotomy of political parties, stop the "war on the middle class" and establish a government focused squarely on it's people, not just the elite. That makes sense. But, unfortunately, the majority of Tea Party murmurings heard in abundance are of the nature I mentioned above.
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Reply #47 - May 28th, 2010 at 2:06pm
 
AdoreInVegas wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 1:58pm:
Brew wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 10:45pm:
Charlie wrote on May 27th, 2010 at 9:07pm:
The so called tea party owes big time to the major liberal news media. By their incessant reporting of a group that wasn't all that exciting, they pumped it up enough to make people wonder enough to check it out. It's still smaller than reported but it will never appear so and that's the genius of it.

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“With the rise of the Tea Party, the white-right and other racist forces. With gun sales nationwide at an all time high amongst whites, with a mood that is more anti-Black than any time recent, it is imperative that we organize our forces, pool our resources and prepare for war!”
Malik Zulu Shabazz, Esq., Black Panther Party Chairman

Golly.

Just to give another perspective, I can understand why the Panthers are skittish. Frankly, I am also - not that I am aligning myself with any extremist organization, that's not my intent at all.

In order to keep informed, I'll periodically log on & read opinions/blogs from David Duke, Aryan Nation, Klan-based organizations etc because I want to know what affects them and what they are watching. The sentiments expressed on those websites are parallel to what is reported and what I've read on the Tea Party. There is a contingent here in Nevada who post very strongly on a local blog so it's relatively easy to get an idea of what they are trying to represent.

There is a portion of the population who will always be skittish when there are large groups bolstering gun-toting, "states" rights, anarchy, recession from the states, militias, etc. It was the rhetoric of Timothy McVeigh. It was & still is the rhetoric of David Duke. It is the foundation of the Klan who is still very much a part of our society, like it or not. It is encouraged by the "brotherhood of Aryans".

This is what has been conveyed by the media, reflected in the rallys, and what I've read in Tea Party literature.

Yeah, golly, indeed.

There was only one Tea Party activist I spoke with who didn't frighten me because his focus was mainly on grassroots efforts to really balance this dichotomy of political parties, stop the "war on the middle class" and establish a government focused squarely on it's people, not just the elite. That makes sense. But, unfortunately, the majority of Tea Party murmurings heard in abundance are of the nature I mentioned above.

Have you actually attended a Tea Party?  Just wondering...
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Reply #48 - May 28th, 2010 at 2:09pm
 
Attended a meeting because I wanted firsthand information. The emphasis at the time was concealed weapons, preparation for their rally in Senator Reid's hometown, etc.

Got some printed information and, as mentioned above, directly spoke to one of the activists.
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Re: USA Borders
Reply #49 - May 28th, 2010 at 2:15pm
 
AdoreInVegas wrote on May 28th, 2010 at 2:09pm:
Attended a meeting because I wanted firsthand information. The emphasis at the time was concealed weapons, preparation for their rally in Senator Reid's hometown, etc.

Got some printed information and, as mentioned above, directly spoke to one of the activists.

So, what I'm gathering is that all of the tea partiers scared you except for one?

Sounds like a scary place to live. Undecided
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