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Reply #75 - May 29th, 2010 at 12:19pm
 
The Tea Party "movement".  I should say that there are many who are NOT extreme who understand the basic intention of less government,.  [/quote]

I agree Mel that most tea partiers have good intentions and are good people.
Many are easily swayed and directed however, as are a lot americans. Most of us just have a basic need to belong to something potentially bigger than ourselves and willingly ignore the negatives and realities that may be a part of it.

In regards to the term teabaggers I must have gone to all the wrong parties.
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Reply #76 - May 29th, 2010 at 12:30pm
 
Pretty much agree MJ.

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Reply #77 - May 29th, 2010 at 1:27pm
 
Brew wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 10:25am:
Melissa wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 10:22am:
It's unfortunate that what started out being something good & right, turned into something completely unrecognizable. Sad

Not sure I follow. This thread, or immigration?


Brew- as allways the best way to deal with illegal immigration has been to change the subject.  Smiley thats how its been done forever by the left, the right and the middle. The challenge is keeping it front and center.

My native state of AZ is now doing a good job at keeping the issue up front. I think thats only because of the high unemployment in the local economy.
If construction and employment return to AZ then I suspect the issue will move to the back burner again. The illegals were the power and labor force that allowed for 30,000 new homes to be built to accomodate the influx of 40,000 U.S. immigrants from the rest of the states every month.

The latino illegals were the ones who worked the farms and citrus groves, The ones who maintained the lands, the ones who caused the catholic churches to overflow, the ones who installed and maintained the irrigation systems, the ones who kept the largest copper mines in the world going, kept the builders alive, installed roofing and insulation, built the dams, loaded trucks for transport, mixed cement, installed the drywall, washed the dishes, watched the kids and cleaned the houses, etc.etc...

In the 80s when the peso dropped to nil the illegal labor force consisted of a lot of highly educated peoples, doctors, engineers, veterinarians, former business owners, hotel operators college grads, ranchers, young and old and those were just the ones who worked for me prior to 1986 when the laws changed and I could find very few U.S citizen to work for more than a week.

Just like the chinamen who built our western railways, or the shiploads of fins who mined the U.P. of michigan, the thousands of programmers brought from india and pakistan to grow microsoft et. al.. the illegals were brought in by the 1000s all through our history by american business. They were the power that allowed this country to become a success. Dont need them now might as well boot em out and let them build new power at home. Instead we will build their countries this time instead of our own.
Soon we may be those illegals going to Mexico in search of work. (Maybe)

A little carried away.


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Reply #78 - May 29th, 2010 at 1:41pm
 
1200 Natl. Guard troops probably will not be as effective as in the past with Operation Wetback. 

Hopefully, the Natl. Guard along with Border Patrol and state and local police agencies can put a dent in the daily problem until a real solution is implemented.
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Reply #79 - May 29th, 2010 at 1:50pm
 
MJ wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 1:27pm:
Brew wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 10:25am:
Melissa wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 10:22am:
It's unfortunate that what started out being something good & right, turned into something completely unrecognizable. Sad

Not sure I follow. This thread, or immigration?


Brew- as allways the best way to deal with illegal immigration has been to change the subject.  Smiley thats how its been done forever by the left, the right and the middle. The challenge is keeping it front and center.

Since it's me you quoted MJ, I want to make it clear that I wasn't the one who changed the subject.
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Reply #80 - May 29th, 2010 at 2:55pm
 
Not sure if you're reading something that's not there, but I was just asking Mel for clarification. I didn't understand what she was alluding to.
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Reply #81 - May 29th, 2010 at 2:59pm
 
AdoreInVegas wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 11:51am:
I beg to differ. They have a HUGE following. One that has tripled since, in their world, the unthinkable has happened. And they have a LOT of power. That power placed David Duke in a senate seat at one time.

That power still permeates and is growing in society. Don Black has gone corporate in a very effective way. To think otherwise is, IMO being naive.

It's my impression that you perceive a threat where there is none. That's either naivete or something else - like diverting attention from the real problem (which in my opinion, as I'm sure you've already gathered, is the progressive movement).
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Reply #82 - May 29th, 2010 at 4:00pm
 
Brew wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 2:59pm:
AdoreInVegas wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 11:51am:
I beg to differ. They have a HUGE following. One that has tripled since, in their world, the unthinkable has happened. And they have a LOT of power. That power placed David Duke in a senate seat at one time.

That power still permeates and is growing in society. Don Black has gone corporate in a very effective way. To think otherwise is, IMO being naive.

It's my impression that you perceive a threat where there is none. That's either naivete or something else - like diverting attention from the real problem (which in my opinion, as I'm sure you've already gathered, is the progressive movement).

Well, being that you are not on the receiving end of that threat, I'm sure you wouldn't perceive it as such.

My husband didn't see it either, until he willingly married into the receiving side.

It's all in the perception.

I don't see the "progressive movement" as any more of threat than any other political movement that has existed in this country for years. People thought the sky was falling with President Clinton. People thought the world would implode with President Bush. People think the apocalypse is upon us with President Obama. Personally, I don't think the problems that affect society as you perceive it come so openly. It comes moreso from within. I would have thought that was a learned lesson from the Oklahoma City Bombings, 9-11, Waco, etc., but it still seems like that Reagan-era mantra, "It's the economy, stupid!" is playing out all over again.
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Reply #83 - May 29th, 2010 at 4:06pm
 
AdoreInVegas wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 4:00pm:
It's my impression that you perceive a threat where there is none. That's either naivete or something else - like diverting attention from the real problem (which in my opinion, as I'm sure you've already gathered, is the progressive movement).Well, being that you are not on the receiving end of that threat, I'm sure you wouldn't perceive it as such.

My husband didn't see it either, until he willingly married into the receiving side.

It's all in the perception.

I don't see the "progressive movement" as any more of threat than any other political movement that has existed in this country for years. People thought the sky was falling with President Clinton. People thought the world would implode with President Bush. People think the apocalypse is upon us with President Obama. Personally, I don't think the problems that affect society as you perceive it come so openly. It comes moreso from within. I would have thought that was a learned lesson from the Oklahoma City Bombings, 9-11, Waco, etc., but it still seems like that Reagan-era mantra, "It's the economy, stupid!" is playing out all over again.

I guess we disagree.

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Reply #84 - May 29th, 2010 at 4:39pm
 
AdoreInVegas wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 4:00pm:
...that Reagan-era mantra, "It's the economy, stupid!"


'twas Clintonian.     Smiley
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