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This is a message to extreme “environmentalists” who hypocritically protest domestic energy production offshore and onshore. There is nothing “clean and green” about your efforts. Look, here’s the deal: when you lock up our land, you outsource jobs and opportunity away from America and into foreign countries that are making us beholden to them. Some of these countries don’t like America. Some of these countries don’t care for planet earth like we do – as evidenced by our stricter environmental standards.

With your nonsensical efforts to lock up safer drilling areas, all you’re doing is outsourcing energy development, which makes us more controlled by foreign countries, less safe, and less prosperous on a dirtier planet. Your hypocrisy is showing. You’re not preventing environmental hazards; you’re outsourcing them and making drilling more dangerous.

Extreme deep water drilling is not the preferred choice to meet our country’s energy needs, but your protests and lawsuits and lies about onshore and shallow water drilling have locked up safer areas. It’s catching up with you. The tragic, unprecedented deep water Gulf oil spill proves it.

We need permission to drill in safer areas, including the uninhabited arctic land of ANWR. It takes just a tiny footprint – equivalent to the size of LA’s airport – to tap America’s rich and plentiful oil and gas up north. ANWR’s drilling footprint is like a postage stamp on a football field.

But it’s not just ANWR; it’s our Petroleum Reserve, too. As Governor Sean Parnell noted today in the Wall Street Journal:

    “Federal agencies are also now blocking oil development in the National Petroleum Reserve—Alaska.

    Although familiar with ANWR, most Americans are less likely to know about NPR-A and how vital it is to our energy security. Given recent developments, it’s time to elevate the position this area holds in our national discourse.

    NPR-A, a 23 million acre stretch of Alaska’s North Slope, was set aside by President Warren Harding in 1923 for the specific purpose of supplying our country and military with oil and gas. Since 1976 it has been administered by the Department of the Interior, and since 1980 it has been theoretically open for development. The most recent estimates indicate that it holds 12 billion barrels of oil and 73 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.

    In addition to containing enormous hydrocarbons, NPR-A is very close to the Trans-Alaska Pipeline, which means that there would be relatively little additional infrastructure needed to bring this new oil to our domestic market.

    But even here, progress has been stalled.”



Radical environmentalists: you are damaging the planet with your efforts to lock up safer drilling areas. There’s nothing clean and green about your misguided, nonsensical radicalism, and Americans are on to you as we question your true motives.

- Sarah Palin
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Reply #1 - Jun 3rd, 2010 at 1:50pm
 
Aside from the blame game (which always goes both ways), she does have a point...
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yeah kinda but really who is at fault is oil companies greed. oil companies are not going to let us develop anything else other than oil to use as an energy. nether side wants to acknowledge this.
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-johnny- wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 1:57pm:
yeah kinda but really who is at fault is oil companies greed. oil companies are not going to let us develop anything else other than oil to use as an energy. nether side wants to acknowledge this.

I don't buy that. While the 100 mpg Fish carb stories have been around longer than I have, with today's information technology there is no way to keep a lid on ideas and science.

Plus.....say if my bud johnny in OH came up with an alternative energy source, I think he'd have plenty of help with development and marketing. Too much money in it to keep it down.
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-johnny- wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 1:57pm:
yeah kinda but really who is at fault is oil companies greed. oil companies are not going to let us develop anything else other than oil to use as an energy. nether side wants to acknowledge this.

Here is where we differ.  I say if the market is there, if alternatives (like solar panels, which is what I desperately want) were mass produced and the cost was lower, the free market would all but wipe out the need for oil. 

You can't change things from the top down, it has to be from the American people on up.  It's the only way it's going to work, and it's not going to work until we all stop acting like we're right and everyone else is wrong, and start working together.  No matter what anyone thinks, at the end of the day, we are all we have.  Neighbor helping neighbor...
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-johnny- wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 1:57pm:
yeah kinda but really who is at fault is oil companies greed. oil companies are not going to let us develop anything else other than oil to use as an energy. nether side wants to acknowledge this.

The quest for profit creates jobs, dude. As it stands now, the Obama administration has shut down all drilling in the gulf deeper than 500 feet for six months because they claim that nobody knows what to do in case of an accident (these are the same people poised to run your health care). This means that almost 50% of the gulf production is gone for half a year. Do you know how many jobs that effects? And how many more people will file unemployment claims?

Maybe that's what they want - is it less dependence on oil or more dependence on government?

Choking business isn't the answer. BP is the LAST entity that wants to see oil spilling into the gulf. It means profits down the drain for them.

And what's with the "profit is bad" attitude? Should people not be allowed to get rich (which is what creates jobs)?

ETA: I stand corrected. The moratorium on drilling has of just a little while ago been extended to ALL drilling in the gulf. This is like banning driving until we find out why all the Ford Pintos are exploding.
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Racer1_NC wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 2:23pm:
-johnny- wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 1:57pm:
yeah kinda but really who is at fault is oil companies greed. oil companies are not going to let us develop anything else other than oil to use as an energy. nether side wants to acknowledge this.

I don't buy that. While the 100 mpg Fish carb stories have been around longer than I have, with today's information technology there is no way to keep a lid on ideas and science.

Plus.....say if my bud johnny in OH came up with an alternative energy source, I think he'd have plenty of help with development and marketing. Too much money in it to keep it down.


oh i believe the technology is there. i know there are people that will and have run their lives through fire chasing an idea of alternative fuel source.  but what kinda fuel is readily available down on the corner? i know a guy a couple towns over that makes diesel fuel out of fryer oil from grease traps around town. whats stopping this guy getting his fuel approved and setting up a fueling station independent from big oil  companies?

the fish carb. that was great bill. i've never heard of a fish carb.
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i'm not convinced that if a practical alternative to oil was developed it would become readily available if it hurts extreme profitability of oil companies. oil companies are making record profits. you don't that that kinda money insures a heavily stacked deck of cards in their favor. anyone is free to play right?

i know we will never be independent of oil but we should have more options readily available. we don't
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Brew wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 3:19pm:
-johnny- wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 1:57pm:
yeah kinda but really who is at fault is oil companies greed. oil companies are not going to let us develop anything else other than oil to use as an energy. nether side wants to acknowledge this.

The quest for profit creates jobs, dude. As it stands now, the Obama administration has shut down all drilling in the gulf deeper than 500 feet for six months because they claim that nobody knows what to do in case of an accident (these are the same people poised to run your health care). This means that almost 50% of the gulf production is gone for half a year. Do you know how many jobs that effects? And how many more people will file unemployment claims?

Maybe that's what they want - is it less dependence on oil or more dependence on government?

Choking business isn't the answer. BP is the LAST entity that wants to see oil spilling into the gulf. It means profits down the drain for them.

And what's with the "profit is bad" attitude? Should people not be allowed to get rich (which is what creates jobs)?

ETA: I stand corrected. The moratorium on drilling has of just a little while ago been extended to ALL drilling in the gulf. This is like banning driving until we find out why all the Ford Pintos are exploding.


see you can't take a stand against oil companies without pledging to a particular political party. jobs are great but wouldn't you rather be an engineer than an employee?

yeah profits are great but oil companies profits are costing us a shit load of money. i don't make any money off of oil
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i don't make any money off of oil


If you own stock (i.e., a 401K), you sure do.

And what are you talking about "pledging to a particular political party?" I'm pro-business, especially responsible business. An accident happened in the gulf, and now they have to figure out how to fix it. BP is doing that. What is the current administration doing? Threatening legal action while it's still going on. Real helpful.

I'm not pro any political party, my friend. I'm anti-buffoons-who-make-situations-worse while they blow smoke up my skirt.
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i don't think evening out the playing field in the energy market is choking anybody.
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-johnny- wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 4:02pm:
i don't think evening out the playing field in the energy market is choking anybody. 

But you didn't answer my question. What are you talking about "pledging to a particular political party?" I don't get it.
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i don't think evening out the playing field in the energy market is choking anybody. 

But you didn't answer my question. What are you talking about "pledging to a particular political party?" I don't get it.

brew  somehow you tied this into health care. this reflects your political position. 
do you really think obama or our gov't has any kind of authority over the oil companies?
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But you didn't answer my question. What are you talking about "pledging to a particular political party?" I don't get it. brew  somehow you tied this into health care. this reflects your political position. 
do you really think obama or our gov't has any kind of authority over the oil companies?

On second thought, nevermind.
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i don't think evening out the playing field in the energy market is choking anybody. 

But you didn't answer my question. What are you talking about "pledging to a particular political party?" I don't get it.

brew  somehow you tied this into health care. this reflects your political position. 
do you really think obama or our gov't has any kind of authority over the oil companies?

Sorry Johnny, but you don't have to be Democrat or Republican to not want government controlled healthcare.  You're too tied to a party yourself to realize that.
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Melissa wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 4:35pm:
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i don't think evening out the playing field in the energy market is choking anybody. 

But you didn't answer my question. What are you talking about "pledging to a particular political party?" I don't get it.

brew  somehow you tied this into health care. this reflects your political position. 
do you really think obama or our gov't has any kind of authority over the oil companies?

Sorry Johnny, but you don't have to be Democrat or Republican to not want government controlled healthcare.  You're too tied to a party yourself to realize that.

what party would that be (scratching my head)
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i point is this. we should have an alternative energy other than oil period. oil profits insure their monopoly in this market. we need options
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-johnny- wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 4:39pm:
Melissa wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 4:35pm:
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i don't think evening out the playing field in the energy market is choking anybody. 

But you didn't answer my question. What are you talking about "pledging to a particular political party?" I don't get it.

brew  somehow you tied this into health care. this reflects your political position. 
do you really think obama or our gov't has any kind of authority over the oil companies?

Sorry Johnny, but you don't have to be Democrat or Republican to not want government controlled healthcare.  You're too tied to a party yourself to realize that.

what party would that be (scratching my head)

Ok, my bad, I should have worded it differently, but when you keep bringing up your extreme dislike of Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck, it makes me wonder why you put so much stock in these people?
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-johnny- wrote on Jun 3rd, 2010 at 4:47pm:
i point is this. we should have an alternative energy other than oil period. oil profits insure their monopoly in this market. we need options

We DO.  Solar and wind for starts, but until compaines start mass producing, it'll just slowly lag along on the sidelines. Sad
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Reply #18 - Jun 3rd, 2010 at 7:14pm
 
In all honesty, Sarah Palin does have a point. 

Yes, this country is dependent on oil and gas - tremendously so.  And, this country does need to invest heavily in alternative energy - solar, wind, and yup even nuclear energies.  But, the technology is not there yet.

The problem is that we have known this for decades, yet little has even begun.  It will take decades for any of these alternatives to be developed (other than nuclear and everyone is afraid of that) and up and running to feed this country with the energy and power that we are used to having.  Until solar and wind are truly developed at an affordable price, unless you are willing to give up much of your creature comforts, you are dependent on oil and gas.

For the time being, drilling for oil and gas is about all we've got and we have to continue to pursue it.

And, what, pray tell, is wrong with making a profit?  I'm in business for myself and by God, I want to make a profit from all of my hard work.  Why not big companies?  I don't begrudge anyone from making profits - even huge ones - as long as they are productive for the betterment of the USA, provide employment, follow the laws.

That is the American Dream, and that's what I'm working toward. 

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Reply #19 - Jun 3rd, 2010 at 7:17pm
 
Alternatives are out there, but have not yet been successful in producing sufficient quantities of energy to be sustainable without government subsidies.  Energy from oil and natural gas is still the most economical means available.  You think oil companies are controlling matters, but they are by far making less per dollar spent than most industries.  The reason they are making the volume of profit they are is because of the volume of their investment. 

BTW, the government makes about 6 times more money from fuel than the oil companies do.  You drive a truck, you should know how much you are paying per gallon on fuel taxes.  If you don't you are not the kind of business man you need to be to stay in the transportation business.  The last time I checked on my investments the oil companies were making approximately $.09 per gallon profit on gasoline and diesel while the tax burden on that same gallon that I pay is $.54 or more.  Now, tell me, who is doing the gouging, and what are we getting for it?

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Ok, my bad, I should have worded it differently, but when you keep bringing up your extreme dislike of Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck, it makes me wonder why you put so much stock in these people?


One can always depend on Sarah. She's a conservative cartoon inflated by media. Evangelicals used to say that Falwell had three main constituency groups: ABC, CBS and NBC. The same can be said about Beck and company.

I dunno Brew. We try letting markets have their way without oversight but whew! A little sanity please. When we let two oilmen run the White House, things got a little sticky.. literally.

We need brains rather than psychodrama from Sarah and company.

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Reply #21 - Jun 3rd, 2010 at 8:15pm
 
Just a few problems with no oil.  We use the majority of oil for energy production, yes, but, we also use it to produce much, much more.

As to nuclear power.  I can see having a healthy respect for nuclear plants, but many European countries have been using nuclear energy for years and nobody is glowing in the dark yet.

Wind and solar are feasible alternatives, but the price has to come down, way down and you have to look at *where* the alternatives would fit best.  This isn't a *one size fits all* solution.
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I don't give a rat's butt what Sarah says. She does make a good point, though. Plus, she's very easy on the eyes.
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If brains were TNT, You could not find enought in Washington to blow your nose!!
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Reply #24 - Jun 3rd, 2010 at 10:13pm
 
Trouble is most seem to gravitate to one side or the other and would not consider a super idea if it were proposed by the other side.

This country is so split and entrenched down ideological lines. We make a stand and absolutely nothing that might make sense get done.

It's sad and if it were not so damn important I'd laugh.

I would think that everyone would like to reduce our dependence on hydrocarbons. Who would not agree that if you could power you house with solar panels that it would be beneficial all around.

Trouble is most everything in our modern world starts with oil. The strategic effort to go other ways will not commence until supplies are nearly exhausted and when only the Government can afford it.

I would love to go down to Port Fourchon and turn the valve off and see how long it would take to see these environmental types scream. Go ahead..ban drilling all across the United States. See what happens.

This country has become stupid.

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