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Chronic CH: costs of treatment
Jun 19th, 2010 at 10:58am
 
I've never seen U.S. cost data so this is only a curiosity for us.
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Schmerz. 2010 May 12. [Epub ahead of print]

[Chronic cluster headache : How much does treatment cost?]
[Article in German]

Jürgens TP, May A.

Institut für Systemische Neurowissenschaften und Kopfschmerzambulanz der Neurologischen Klinik, Universitätsklinikum Hamburg-Eppendorf (UKE), Martinistr. 52, 20246, Hamburg, Deutschland.

Abstract
Chronic cluster headache is a devastating pain condition where invasive methods such as occipital or deep brain stimulation are discussed when the condition is medically intractable. These methods are expensive but may well be economically reasonable if medications such as triptans can be reduced. However, little is known about how much a cluster headache costs, even if only primary parameters such as costs of medication, doctors and diagnostics are considered. We describe a patient with a secondary chronic cluster headache who over the course of 10 years prospectively recorded every single attack as well as all expenses for his condition. In these 10 years he suffered a total of 5,447 attacks and the overall medical expenses amounted to 60,667 EUR [$75,000 US in 6/10], the predominant part of which was caused by costs due to the cluster headache itself (47,030 EUR, 77.5% [58,750 US in 6/10]). The inhalation of oxygen accounted for the lion's share.

PMID: 20458501
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Re: Chronic CH: costs of treatment
Reply #1 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 11:42am
 
And to think you can grow your own fungi for a couple hundred bucks, tops.

THAT'S the reason they haven't made it legal. Too many people would miss out on getting rich off us.
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Reply #2 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 2:02pm
 
Interesting.

Over a 10 years time span I would have suffered over 18,000 serious attacks and many multiples of silents and ones that were bearable in addition during the slow times.

I would venture to say, with some reasonable calculations, that in the first 20 years of CH under direct medical care and prescriptions I spent well over 250k not including the multiple failed attempts with oxygen. If I had gone through the cancelled surgeries that number would have probably well exceeded 500k. Lost productivity cost, who knows? All that care,money and drugs and no abatement of CH.

The next 10 years unmedicated with no doctors involved cost cannot be calculated. but lost productivity was huge.

This I know isnt for everyone.
The last 5 years treating with only seeds and a serious 90%+ reduction in CH with a 4 year semi remission, costs have not exceeded 400.00 or averaged to 80.00 per year.
plus tax and shipping.
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Reply #3 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 2:25pm
 
Bob,

Based on the cluster headache survey we took in late 2008, the average chronic cluster headache sufferer consumes $9500 a year worth of CH preventatives and abortives based on the following medications, usage and costs.

240mg/day generic verapamil (Isoptin) @ $1.50 a day 360 days a year

9 sumatriptan subcutaneous Injections/mo @ $80/ea X 12 months

and Oxygen for burn through attacks at $30/month X 12 months (assumes user owns own mask and regulator)

For reference, 25% of the 1134 respondents use oxygen therapy and 19% use imitrex as their primary abortives.

Hope this helps.

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Reply #4 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 4:18pm
 
I know durring my first year of diagnosed ch my 20% copay for drugs and office visits left me with an amount of around $23,000.  The time missed from work was way more than any company should have allowed but I had lots of vacation time, and unlimited sick time. 
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Reply #5 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 8:39am
 
there will never be data for the other ..cost..at the expense... of life! Sad
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Now I'm well and truly depressed....sigh. Cry
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Reply #7 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 10:19am
 
wimsey1 wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 8:16am:
Now I'm well and truly depressed....sigh. Cry


But on the bright side you get to hang out with all the cool people here.........priceless! Wink

Joe....member of the coolest club....with the crappiest dues!
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Reply #8 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 2:27pm
 
A young man hit with devastating, chronic CH in his late teens who loses virtually all his friends and opportunities for romance, the chance to get a higher education along with those of his age group, the social life so important during those years and the chance to see unlimited opportunities rolling out in front of him; his remaining human contacts with family and the medical community distorted in both directions by addictions to narcotics and other mind-numbing agents like lithium and the anti-depressants. Life reduced to a handful of pills followed by broken sleep, tasteless meals and the occasional TV show. Nature no more than what he may or may not see passing by a window. His empty, meaningless life focused by a pain unimaginable in intensity by any who haven't experienced it. This huge chunk of time ripped from the very center of those best years of our lives with no prospect of ever regaining even a little of it. If this young man finds himself in the best of all possible worlds and the burden of CH is removed, his joy is tempered by the ignorance of those who employ, educate and befriend him; something like re-entering society after a stretch in prison. Not quite what a parent envisions for his child. And he's one of the lucky ones; incredibly lucky by anyone's standards. The financial cost is nothing.
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Reply #9 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 2:42pm
 
Damnit Ron, that sums up a whole lot of hurt. Cry As only a parent could.

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Reply #10 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 3:24pm
 

Thanks for your heart, Joe. I don't think I'm too off-base in thanking you from all of us. What a gift you have!
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Reply #11 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 10:13pm
 
oh bonkers...
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God bless to you and yours....
And please, not to sound trite, but life is hope and the only failure is giving up all hope and joy completely...
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Reply #12 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 2:45am
 
bonkers wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 2:27pm:
A young man hit with devastating, chronic CH in his late teens who loses virtually all his friends and opportunities for romance, the chance to get a higher education along with those of his age group, the social life so important during those years and the chance to see unlimited opportunities rolling out in front of him; his remaining human contacts with family and the medical community distorted in both directions by addictions to narcotics and other mind-numbing agents like lithium and the anti-depressants. Life reduced to a handful of pills followed by broken sleep, tasteless meals and the occasional TV show. Nature no more than what he may or may not see passing by a window. His empty, meaningless life focused by a pain unimaginable in intensity by any who haven't experienced it. This huge chunk of time ripped from the very center of those best years of our lives with no prospect of ever regaining even a little of it. If this young man finds himself in the best of all possible worlds and the burden of CH is removed, his joy is tempered by the ignorance of those who employ, educate and befriend him; something like re-entering society after a stretch in prison. Not quite what a parent envisions for his child. And he's one of the lucky ones; incredibly lucky by anyone's standards. The financial cost is nothing.


Ron through your eyes the story is incredible and painfull. I have also seen the Joy you share when small steps have been achieved.
So many here know some of what you relate in our own lives. What most of us will never know is the strength, the commitment and the sorrow that is required to stand watch over one of our own as you have done for so long a time.
There is no money that could cover that cost, There is no parent that would want to watch this take place.

The beauty in the story is YOU. Stay strong.

Happy belated fathers day.
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Reply #13 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 11:50am
 
Nice work Ron.  Thanks for saying that, it really brings the emotion out. 

I too see hope for you and Michael.  I don't think that is misplaced.  Tough times make us strong (as all clusterheads know) and looking back on tough times has a way making us feel good about who we currently are. 

Hope you 2 will be 'looking back' on these times soon from a more pain-free place perhaps!   

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Reply #14 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 3:42pm
 
Kind, warm words. Thanks guys.
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