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Jun 30^th, 2010 at 2:01pm

I wonder if that Trig nerve thingy got squished at birth as I was being yanked out? I have two bald spots on my head. One worse than the other. Mom always said it was from the forceps. Luckily, I have lots of hair so bald spots are no biggie. The cluster side is the bad bald spot side, and pretty much the "spot" for the pain. Unless it's a bad one, and it moves to eye, jaw...neck... you know the drill.

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wimsey1 CH.com Alumnus Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 2457 MA Gender:	Re: FORCEPS Reply #1 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 3:07pm It seems unlikely. I wasn't delivered with forceps and yet here I am...23 years of cluster dancin'! The extra set of nerves in the hypothalmus seems to be congenital but not trauma related. Seems. lance
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Reply #2 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 4:14pm

I have no info to offer, as I haven't looked into the trauma theory, but I've certainly noticed people here reporting their CH becoming much more severe after receiving bad conks on the noggin.

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Reply #3 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 4:41pm

unlikely...
If your trigeminal nerve was that injured I'd also expect to see sensory or motor deficits in your face following the nerve distribution corresponding to the branch injured. Also, in general, it's not really a superficial nerve - it's fairly well protected in your head.
I have seen a correlation in the literature about head injury and CH - I'm not sure it's an entirely substanciated finding though.

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Barry_T_Coles CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 2073 Karratha\|,West_Australia Gender:	Re: FORCEPS Reply #4 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 7:36pm Hi JH A little something worth reading, more knowledge is power Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or Cheers Barry
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: FORCEPS Reply #5 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 8:09pm I doubt it, dude. But hey - stranger shit has happened, so what do I know?
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seaworthy CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Posts: 706	Re: FORCEPS Reply #6 - Jun 30^th, 2010 at 8:10pm Did they extricate you by pulling you out by the hypothalamus gland? If not then I highly doubt the forceps had anything to do with your CH.
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Reply #7 - Jul 1^st, 2010 at 12:09am

I read the article Barry, and so far count me as a skeptic about the "it's the hypothalamus and only the hypothalamus" theory.

What I've seen in the real world flies in the face of any assertion that head trauma can't affect CH.

Dating way back to a headache specialist relaying to me the severity of the CH he was seeing in car accident/head trauma victims, to the examples staring us right in the face here of CH people who have had their CH go fiercely chronic after a head injury, I think if the geeks with the scanners and theories are denying the potential effect of head trauma on CH, they could be missing a component.

And this is not the first thing I've seen that leads me to believe that contrary to the belief of some, Goadsby does not in fact = God when it comes to knowledge of CH.

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Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.

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Mike NZ CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Oxygen rocks! D3 too! Posts: 3785 Auckland, New Zealand Gender:	Re: FORCEPS Reply #8 - Jul 1^st, 2010 at 12:22am I used to get a very mild headache maybe once every other year, until I had a concussion injury. This resulted in CHs, so for me at least there is what seems to be a cause and effect with a head injury. I can't blame forceps as I was a breach delivery.
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Reply #9 - Jul 1^st, 2010 at 8:21am

Don't forget that when discussing headache origins, the debate turns on whether or not the headache is a primary headache, and has its own unique origin coupled with secondary factors, or a secondary headache (like a stress or tension headache), which is caused by other factors acting as a trigger. CHs are a primary headache, with a demonic array of secondary triggers. So not everyone who drinks alcohol gets a CH, but for so, so many of us, it is a trigger to a hit. Alcohol wasn't the cause but it triggered the primary headache. Perhaps the same is true for head trauma. It can't help.

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