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im going to test the beast
Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 1:51pm

im going to test the beast tonight, and also the effectiveness of st john's wort, to boot, let me explain my reasoning, ive been taking fever few for some 11yrs now, and it DOES reduce the severity of migraines and ch, for me anyway, the st johns wort ive been taking for about a week 1 tab a day,[ if i take two tabs im like ," hey man wanna debate the meaning of life for fun " Grin

, similar to a week at Glastonbury Grin

]....
so i ve got 10 pints of old speckled hen lined up, im gonna chug them down and see what occurs, i just want to know if st john's wort fu+ks the beast up the arse, i may be a complete a'hole doing this, but i need to know for me , and it may help others in the process.....i will post back sometime tomorrow , wish me luck

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #1 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 2:10pm You're a big boy. As long as you're prepared to accept the consequences and not whine about it. It's usually not nice to fool with Mother Nature.
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Callico CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Author of "Stranded at Romson's Lodge Posts: 4916 Aurora IL Gender:	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #2 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 2:12pm St John's Wort is good for dealing with the depression associated with CH, but IMHO it does nothing for the HA's themselves. Good luck. Jerry
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Chad CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Posts: 738 Emmaus, PA Gender:	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #3 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 2:28pm Have O2 or an abortive on stand-by
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Lettucehead CH.com Old Timer Offline I am very blessed... Posts: 293 Iowa Gender:	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #4 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 9:41pm Brew wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 2:10pm: You're a big boy. As long as you're prepared to accept the consequences and not whine about it. It's usually not nice to fool with Mother Nature. haha! Good luck, Steve!!! Let us know how you do!
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Re: im going to test the beast
Reply #5 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 11:50pm

I hope it's not too late to turn back - St. John's Wort isn't particularly known to be a CH fighter.

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CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.

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Guiseppi CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline San Diego to Florida 05-16-2011 Posts: 12063 SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA USA Gender:	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #6 - Jul 2^nd, 2010 at 11:55pm I'm not a betting man so I won't lay any odds. I do strongly agree with the suggestion to have 02 handy! Joe
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jayhedges CH.com Junior Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 55	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #7 - Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 8:02am No update. Do you think he made it? What is it with the Brits and this St John's wart thing?
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JustNotRight CH.com Sponsor Offline CH version 15.0.8 member since 2005 aka GingerS224 Posts: 1300 Wilkes-Barre, Pa (USA) Gender:	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #8 - Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 8:28am Sleeping it off ?
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George CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Black-Billed Magpie Posts: 8126 Boise, Idaho USA Gender:	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #9 - Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 8:41am JustNotRight wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 8:28am: Sleeping it off ? Quote: 10 pints of old speckled hen lined up Still roosting? One might ruffle your feathers, but I suspect ten might turn a person downright broody. Best, George
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Steve-gb CH.com Newbie Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 15 Great Britain	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #10 - Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 11:50am hi guys, the result was very favorable indeed, just slight pain in the head, seems the feverfew and st johns works for me, did get the feeling of a ch starting then nothing developed, has though it self aborted,.
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Headache Boy uk CH.com Old Timer Offline Matthew ch 11 v 28 Posts: 373 Mersea Island nr Colchester Gender:	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #11 - Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 8:29pm That slight pain in the head is probably a hangover from all the hen all the best Nigel ps I think 4 pints would have me on the floor so maybe, 10 and I wouldn't feel a thing any way
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Re: im going to test the beast
Reply #12 - Jul 4^th, 2010 at 1:18pm

jayhedges wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 8:02am:

What is it with the Brits and this St John's wart thing?

Hey it's "wort", not wart, but I do find your spelling funnier. Grin

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CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #13 - Jul 4^th, 2010 at 1:47pm What I meant was that you should start your own new thread.
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Re: im going to test the beast
Reply #14 - Jul 4^th, 2010 at 2:13pm

Headache Boy uk wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 8:29pm:

That slight pain in the head is probably a hangover from all the hen Cool

all the best

Nigel

ps I think 4 pints would have me on the floor so maybe, 10 and I wouldn't feel a thing any way Huh

i must admit i only chugged 3 to test the beast, all was ok so i went the whole hog, i can still taste the toffe flavour lol
and my mrs had a smile on her mug all day Wink

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Steve-gb CH.com Newbie Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 15 Great Britain	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #15 - Jul 4^th, 2010 at 2:17pm jayhedges wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2010 at 8:02am: What is it with the Brits and this St John's wart thing? jay your from the colonies, so i forgive you
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Kat CH.com Junior Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 36	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #16 - Jul 4^th, 2010 at 5:55pm With all the misery I have to endure each week, for a great chuckle, I'd like to know what St. Johns Wort or Wart, if you prefer, and olde speckled hen is. Please enlighten this poor cave dweller.
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Headache Boy uk CH.com Old Timer Offline Matthew ch 11 v 28 Posts: 373 Mersea Island nr Colchester Gender:	Re: im going to test the beast Reply #17 - Jul 4^th, 2010 at 7:10pm dun-Know about St John's wort but the hen is one of the best real ales there is , that is beer with taste , mind you I prefer a good stout like murfys or beamish my self.
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Re: im going to test the beast
Reply #18 - Jul 4^th, 2010 at 10:12pm

Kat wrote on Jul 4^th, 2010 at 5:55pm:

With all the misery I have to endure each week, for a great chuckle, I'd like to know what St. Johns Wort or Wart, if you prefer, and olde speckled hen is. Please enlighten this poor cave dweller.

Old Speckled Hen is an excellent English ale, which is exported all over the world (we even get it here in NZ).

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And despite the name's obvious connection to a hen, it was named after a car!

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Reply #19 - Jul 5^th, 2010 at 5:16pm

Mike NZ wrote on Jul 4^th, 2010 at 10:12pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 4^th, 2010 at 5:55pm:

With all the misery I have to endure each week, for a great chuckle, I'd like to know what St. Johns Wort or Wart, if you prefer, and olde speckled hen is. Please enlighten this poor cave dweller.

Old Speckled Hen is an excellent English ale, which is exported all over the world (we even get it here in NZ).

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And despite the name's obvious connection to a hen, it was named after a car!

spot on mike

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Reply #20 - Jul 5^th, 2010 at 5:19pm

Kat wrote on Jul 4^th, 2010 at 5:55pm:

With all the misery I have to endure each week, for a great chuckle, I'd like to know what St. Johns Wort or Wart, if you prefer, and olde speckled hen is. Please enlighten this poor cave dweller.

here ya go .............

St. John's wort is being studied for effectiveness in the treatment of certain somatoform disorders. Results from the initial studies are mixed and still inconclusive; some research has found no effectiveness, other research has found a slight lightening of symptoms. Further study is needed and is being performed.

A constituent chemical, hyperforin, may be useful for treatment of alcoholism, although dosage, safety and efficacy have not been studied.[13] Hyperforin has also been found to have antibacterial properties against gram-negative bacteria, although dosage, safety and efficacy has not been studied.[14]

A randomized controlled trial of St. John's wort found no significant difference between it and placebo in the management of ADHD symptoms over eight weeks. However, the St. John's Wort extract used in the study, originally confirmed to contain 0.3% hypericin, was allowed to degrade to levels of 0.13% hypericin and 0.14% hyperforin. Given that the level of hyperforin was not ascertained at the beginning of the study, and levels of both hyperforin and hypericin were well below that used in other studies, little can be determined based on this study alone.[15]

A research team from the Universidad Complutense de Madrid (UCM) published a study entitled, “Hypericum perforatum. Possible option against Parkinson's disease”, which suggests that this plant with antidepressant properties has antioxidant active ingredients that could help reduce the neuronal degeneration caused by the disease.[16]

Recent evidence suggests that daily treatment with St. Johns wort may improve the most common physical and behavioural symptoms associated with cluster headaches

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Reply #21 - Jul 5^th, 2010 at 6:27pm

And what may not have been clear in that load of medical technicalities is that St. John's Wort is an herb. Cool

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CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.

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Re: im going to test the beast
Reply #22 - Jul 10^th, 2010 at 11:12pm

ty, for the information. After I asked, I looked it up and saw that it could have life threatening effects if combined with some of the medications that we take. Two that I take were mentioned, Amitriptilyne and I think the other was lithium. Seen any warnings about that, or do you take while off all medications? Just a curious Kat, lol. Again, ty, for taking the time to explain it to me.

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Reply #23 - Jul 11^th, 2010 at 9:38am

I have to weigh in here with a cautionary note;

As with ALL information, medications, over-the-counter, and natural remedies that are discussed and tried, you MUST MUST MUST be sure of the properties of all of the above and how they may interact.

Serotonin syndrome is a very real danger to many CHers because of the use of triptans - and St. John's Wort (or Wart Wink

) has been long used and known for it's anti-depressive properties. I have not checked my documents, but I seem to recall a paper in my archives that does mention this very herb as a potential danger for serotonin syndrome - which, if unrecognized and untreated, can be fatal.

Now, about that speckled hen....
As a Canadian, living in the US, born to a true blue Brit, having spent a short jaunt in Bavaria, the best beer in the world is Kristallweizen Tongue

Now if only I could actually DRINK the stuff again *sigh*

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Reply #24 - Jul 11^th, 2010 at 10:35am

catlind wrote on Jul 11^th, 2010 at 9:38am:

Serotonin syndrome is a very real danger to many CHers because of the use of triptans - and St. John's Wort (or Wart Wink

) has been long used and known for it's anti-depressive properties. I have not checked my documents, but I seem to recall a paper in my archives that does mention this very herb as a potential danger for serotonin syndrome - which, if unrecognized and untreated, can be fatal.

Yes, this is true from my understanding as well.

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