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Reply #25 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 7:10am
 
calisto wrote on Jul 6th, 2010 at 4:52am:
Increased the verapimil slowly over the day to 280mg worked a treat! it could just be a flash in the pan so im going to increase that to 320mg today. I can feel the beast crawling around behind my eye and in my neck but its only niggly and isnt getting any stronger. Ive slept and i feel good.


Increasing gradually in small increments is safer while your system gets accustomed to new levels.  Check your needs to try not going beyond what is sufficiently effective for the term left in this cycle.  When the time comes a CH hasn't knocked for about two weeks and if you may want to try decreasing, slow increments also.   

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Reply #26 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 11:30am
 
Hey Brew no worries mate it was taken as a joke,sorry you couldnt tell. Sarky english humour i guess.

My profile says im new to this site but ive used it for years. Ive had clusters for over 20 years now. I rarely visit when im not in cycle because its not something i like to dwell on. I try not to think about them when im not in cycle. I know this doesnt help others but its just my way of coping with them. Im "lucky" enough to be episodic and please god let me stay that way. How the hell all you chronic sufferers manage is beyond me. In my line of work (hairdressing) id have to give it up,people just dont understand. Next week will be my 6th week off work. Im lucky enough to have a very understanding boss but after next week ive gotta go back no matter what. I have to take propranolol while i work (not at the same time as verapamil i stress) to stop my hands from trembling,so ive got to start reducing the verapamil dosage next week.

O well we shall see.

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Reply #27 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 11:51am
 
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I rarely visit when im not in cycle because its not something i like to dwell on. I try not to think about them when im not in cycle. I know this doesnt help others but its just my way of coping with them.

You might want to reevaluate your position on this. If we all took your approach, nobody would have been here to help you.

Maybe it's time to pay it forward. You'd be surprised what it does for the soul when you shift from being self-focused to becoming other-focused.

I have maintained for a long time that we, as individuals, can never be truly happy unless and until we become completely focused on the happiness of others. Kind of a paradox, I know. But you should try it. Wink
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Reply #28 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 1:01pm
 
Brew Brew Brew,

Are you trying to be antagonistic?!

How many times have i said thank you to everyone for their advice since i posted yesterday morning. We all have our own way with dealing with this condition and i really dont appreciate being called selfish or "self focused" as you put it. You really dont know me from adam so you are in no position to judge me or to comment on the way i deal with my cluster headaches. When im not in cycle im not too proud to admit the thought of starting again scares the bejesus outta me so i try to forget about it until the shadows start again and i have to plan for when they kick in in full. im sure there are far more people who are like me and use the site when they are in cycle and not when they arent. I havent seen one name on here who was using it the last time i did and i have looked.

And putting a smiley at the end when youre insulting someone really doesnt make it any better! Cry

Im obviously going to have opened a can of worms with this, i really dont want to argue with you because A. i just cant be arsed and B. It gives me a headache!

Im greatfull for your advice regarding my clusters but if you have any opinions about me personally please keep them to yourself.

I do see where youre coming from, but please respect my right to be scared shitless by my clusterhead aches and to not constantly remind myself about them.
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Reply #29 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 7:14pm
 
Have it your way. Go about your business.

All that other stuff I said? Nevermind.
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Reply #30 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 7:40pm
 
Yeah thanks, i fully intend to.

Sorry but im gonna have to hit ignore.
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Reply #31 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 7:53pm
 
Ok...held my peace long enough on this one...the following is to NO ONE in particular but to serve as a reminder to all CH sufferers either here on this board or not.

You can not goad/bully/push/insult in anyway shape or form someone to do something that they do not want to do, nor should we even try to do so.

For some people continuously thinking about their CH problems whether suffering at the time or not only seems to bring them down further or makes them feel like they are dwelling on a bad thing when they'd rather be out living their life. 

You may think of this as denial, avoidance or what ever you wish, but the fact is we all handle things differently and shouldn't be looked down upon or thought badly of because someone handles it differently than we would.

We all suffer the same disease that doesn't mean we are all the same.

Please try to be more respectful of others.

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Reply #32 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 8:03pm
 
calisto wrote on Jul 6th, 2010 at 7:40pm:
Sorry but im gonna have to hit ignore.

Won't be the first time. Won't be the last.
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Reply #33 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 8:12am
 
If a regular prednisone taper doesn't work, you may ask about a Medrol Dospak.  The stuff is wayyyy stronger than regular pred and should buy you 3 to 4 pain free days.
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Reply #34 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 11:24am
 
Thank you Ginge and well said!

On my 2nd pain free (so far!) day. Had a couple of shadows one of them meaty,but who gives a crap about a shadow.

Too be honest im not sure if its the increase in verapamil or my cycles just come to an end. Am i gonna stop the meds to see?
Am i F**k! Grin

Gonna start to taper them off next week after my migration medical so ill soon tell. Fingers crossed ol hairy arse had pissed off for a couple of years,next time he pays me a visit ill be an Aussie (then the fun'll start - itll cost a bomb for my meds there but i aint lettin it rule my life you know?). Sunshine sunshine sunshine here I come!!!

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Reply #35 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 3:07pm
 
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Too be honest im not sure if its the increase in verapamil or my cycles just come to an end. Am i gonna stop the meds to see?


i am so sorry but seems i can't answer at all.this question makes me continuously for the time being thinking about my own ch problems whether suffering at the time or not seems to bring me down further or make me feel like i am dwelling on a bad thing when i would rather be out living out my life.
sorry but i ll think about my own ch problems while you think yours.hope someone else comes along to help.
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Reply #36 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 4:33pm
 
Black,You petty little man!

You havent even quoted the full paragraph! if you could read properly you may have noticed that it was a RHETORICAL question.

The other things youre accusing me of saying werent even my words, they're someone elses.

Why do you feel the need to attack me anyway? what on earth have i ever done to you? You know absolutely nothing about me or my life

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You can say that again!!

I work 6 days a week and regularly clock up over 60hrs,(and i still manage to find the time to stay after work for charity events!)that leaves me 1 day to spend with family and friends and thats what i choose to do (although i dont know why im explaining myself to the likes of you!) so yes i very much choose to forget ive got cluster headaches and to "live my life",i see little enough of my wife as it is!

Perhaps youre the one who should focus more on helping others rather than attacking them when you dont have ALL the information.

My appologies if this offends anyone who has helped me the past couple of days, all the advice has been massively appreciated, but this guy has really wound me up!
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Reply #37 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 8:25pm
 
Dear All,
Please stop picking on Calisto.  He has every right to deal with his life (and any and all events within it) the way that suits him and his the best within their capabilities.
He came to this site for understanding and support - not a guilt trip, not attitude - because, ahem, this is technically the 'Worldwide cluster headache support group'. 
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Reply #38 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 8:30pm
 
Well Put Lettucehead !   Cool
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Reply #39 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 8:37pm
 
Nobody's picking on anybody. I think we're all big boys and girls here.

He chose to voice his opinion about sticking around and helping others, I told him he might want to rethink it, he told me to stick it. As has been so eloquently pointed out on this thread, everyone deals with it in their own way.

He takes a stance, he can deal with other people's opinions about that stance. Just like I can deal with him telling me off.

If anybody can't take the difference of opinion, they have the choice to hit the "ignore" button.

Support doesn't always mean being 100% in agreement. He has CH, I have CH. CH sucks. We have something in common. Where we disagree is in sticking around to help others when CH isn't in the fore. He's entitled to his opinion, I'm entitled to mine. Vive la difference.
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Reply #40 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 8:41pm
 
You can agree to disagree and do it politely... IMHO
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Reply #41 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 8:56pm
 
Yes, absolutely, Ginger!

But also, I very much doubt that Calisto is emotionally in a place to be able to dispassionately step back and be able to assert his own needs in protecting himself by not thinking about CH when not in cycle.

Just 3 or so days ago, the man posted a heart-felt pleading statement for help as he was on his last legs.  Yes, he's gotten a night or two of better relief since then, but I think that we all know it takes some time to recover from the type of severe beating that the beast can give us.   Embarrassed
He just, likely, is not in a place where he can defend his 'stance' without emotional pain. 

Plus, he has bared his pain to us - he is hurting terribly, and he has come for help to us who supposedly know answers to help him.  This is a situation not unlike a mental health counselor and client or a doctor and patient - those in this group are considered the wise and knowledgeable in beating CH, those coming here are asking for help and are very vulnerable.  We need to be extra careful  (even in cases of disagreement) that our authority as those with the 'answers' is never used to harm those we mean to help.
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Reply #42 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 9:06pm
 
If you came to my defense like this, I'd thank you for the sentiment, then ask you to kindly allow me to defend myself, if you don't mind.
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Reply #43 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 9:27pm
 
The point is we shouldn't have to defend a relatively new person to this board who is seeking HELP and UNDERSTANDING!

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Reply #44 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 9:43pm
 
calisto wrote on Jul 7th, 2010 at 4:33pm:
Black,You petty little man!

You havent even quoted the full paragraph! if you could read properly you may have noticed that it was a RHETORICAL question.

The other things youre accusing me of saying werent even my words, they're someone elses.

Why do you feel the need to attack me anyway? what on earth have i ever done to you? You know absolutely nothing about me or my life

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You can say that again!!

I work 6 days a week and regularly clock up over 60hrs,(and i still manage to find the time to stay after work for charity events!)that leaves me 1 day to spend with family and friends and thats what i choose to do (although i dont know why im explaining myself to the likes of you!) so yes i very much choose to forget ive got cluster headaches and to "live my life",i see little enough of my wife as it is!

Perhaps youre the one who should focus more on helping others rather than attacking them when you dont have ALL the information.

My appologies if this offends anyone who has helped me the past couple of days, all the advice has been massively appreciated, but this guy has really wound me up!


Maybe if you were here more regularly you would understand what Black had to say. 

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Reply #45 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 10:29pm
 
Roll Eyes   Oy Vey   Roll Eyes 


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Reply #46 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 10:57pm
 




Hi ya'll.  I see both sides but wanted to point out that a great reason to hang out here a bit when not in your cycle is to get ready for the next.  Yep might be a year or 2 from now but they are coming back.  Get your arsenal ready now when you are feeling good because once they start it is harder to deal with it.

Being a former pilot, we tried to always be prepared BEFORE the emergency happens.

Anyways up to the individual how they run their lives.  People here are great and have lots of advice.  People will stay when they want or need to and move on when it makes sense. Smiley

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Reply #47 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 12:12am
 
oh my goat!ok let me say just my opinion.
all the information (99,9%) needed are already stocked up here and even if in a magic way all the seven thousand members tomorrow morning decide to leave it for taking a walk and a drink in a beach bar and headbanging afterwards alltogether without music,a newbie here could still find his way with searches but it could take some more time than it is anticipated so what people are giving here already not asked is their TIME to show what anyone could find alone.i mean there is nothing more precious than TIME.there are about one thousand posts per sec. which say look in O2 section on the left which by now it should be like Las vegas and lights bleep from the counts,melatonin for night sleeping and verapamil works better around and even higher than 480 mg if tolerated and yet every time I ADMIRE people for repeating these.And as you calisto already said you are not a newbie as you have already taken the tour years ago
you must have seen something from these except if you were web surfing with the pc not plugged.
And you come here with the SOMEONE HELP which raises the necessary well attention.
excellent advises coming on and on and me the reading all these and if there is something that i may have to contribute.
and then after a few hours of good sleep i read the
oh brew brew brew why are you so antagonistic?
in the most kindest request which the man believes benefits both parties.
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You can not goad/bully/push/insult in anyway shape or form someone to do something that they do not want to do, nor should we even try to do so.

For some people continuously thinking about their CH problems whether suffering at the time or not only seems to bring them down further or makes them feel like they are dwelling on a bad thing when they'd rather be out living their life. 

You may think of this as denial, avoidance or what ever you wish, but the fact is we all handle things differently and shouldn't be looked down upon or thought badly of because someone handles it differently than we would.

which you agreed as well said
in which brew appears to goad/bully/push/insult
you agree with second paragraph also with yourself an evening crying for someone help and a few hours of good sleep later saying you push me around,i want to continue my life and now that i feel better i am thinking the rhetorical question that maybe it wasn't even the isoptin but my cycle ended so thanks guys!!(for what?the advise or the time i am thinking...you know retorical question)

so all i had was to raise these words as if it was a mirror since it seems it is a principle and should work both ways no matter if it is convenient.i never attacked you just took your words back which you agreed when it was easy it seems.it's your choice whether you brush your hair or spit it.and seems that yes i am a pette little man...

p.s.i don't defend brew in anyway.he can defend himself just fine if needed.i am just pissed off with myself wasting time with this.
p.s.i don't believe ginger believes what she writes down.just women defend till death a hairdresser no matter what, better than the 300 the leonidas guy. Cheesy

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Reply #48 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 6:00am
 
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

HOW PATHETIC IS ALL OF THIS!

I mearly took exception to being called selfish or self-focused,i have used this site for 4 years AND I HAVE LEFT POSTS HELPING OTHERS! My wife and I have decided to emmigrate to australia so i work like a bastard to make enough money to give us a comfortable life there,this unfortunately does not leave me enough time to sit on the internet at night or on my 1 day off a week. I stay after work for free on a 10 hour day for charity fund raising event for cancer research,acorns childrens hospice,cyctic fibrosis and others. I can not be everywhere at once.

Im lucky enough with my c.h. to get by on a small amount of meds so i hjave not used even half the drugs mentioned on this site.Any information i could garner anyone with can be readily found imbeded on this site. Just because im not leaving posts on here
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Reply #49 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 6:18am
 
black wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 12:12am:
p.s.i don't believe ginger believes what she writes down.just women defend till death a hairdresser no matter what, better than the 300 the leonidas guy.


Grin and I actually believe and stand by everything I said on this topic, thank you.

I have been PM'd and basically told off regarding this topic, which I found to be absolutely ridiculous and I will be saying no more on this topic as of today, I've said pretty much all I had to say on it.

Calisto and all other newbies who've had issues like this, I offer my apologies and hope your future experiences here are better ones.  This site is loaded with good information and good advice, yours for the taking.
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